they were of saudi desent. they werent sponsored and protected by the saudi government. much like al queda is/was by the taliban.
good point. The Taliban...NOT IRAQ!
and if you think the biggest terrorist attack was not supported somewhat by the Saudi Gov't or society at large...then you are kidding yourself. that shit didn't happen in a bubble. We ignore that because they produce so much oil...Bush has to walk litterally...hand in hand w/ there leader!
there were no terrorists on 911 of Iraqi...or Afghani decent....
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
yup. it was until after we went in did al queda in iraq appear. so that could be argued for a reason to stay. but to go in? cuz of WMD bullshit...bad idea.
and if you think the biggest terrorist attack was not supported somewhat by the Saudi Gov't or society at large...then you are kidding yourself. that shit didn't happen in a bubble. We ignore that because they produce so much oil...Bush has to walk litterally...hand in hand w/ there leader!
there were no terrorists on 911 of Iraqi...or Afghani decent....
I also agree. Iraq became al queda fly paper after we went in. at this point, I believe al queda would loose support from extremist if we left Iraq. but I would hate to be wrong.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You might not like Canada, but Canada didn't follow the US into Vietnam. We didn't follow you guys into Iraq either. Both were two huge fuckups and we knew it in advance. There was no justification.
Now the US has some of our politicians bought out with money deals, so now were being coerced into towing some invisible line in Afghanistan.
Everyone likes Canada....we are a peaceful country. No one wants to harm us. It's quite the concept, don't fuck with people and they won't want to do the same. That can be tested and proven anytime, anywhere and by anybody. Go try it with your neighbor...it will become apparent very quickly.
It's pretty much a universal concept, unfortunately for the US it goes far back long before 9/11 as a failure.
I agree. I like that policy. but oil is a commodity that is a necessity in this world. and the extremists middle east has alot of it. hell if I know what to do about that. i'm not happy war and military spending seem to be an option
do you find it acceptable that Iran is helping kill American soldiers?
Do you find it acceptable that (the United States Military and this Administration) have invaded and attacked Iraq, killed hundreds upon thousands of people; as a response to 9/11?
What exactly did Iraq and Saddam have to do with 9/11?
That's the equivelent of me attacking Rhode Island because Montana attacked me.
Do you find it acceptable that (the United States Military and this Administration) have invaded and attacked Iraq, killed hundreds upon thousands of people; as a response to 9/11?
It's quite the concept, don't fuck with people and they won't want to do the same. That can be tested and proven anytime, anywhere and by anybody. Go try it with your neighbor...it will become apparent very quickly.
Actually, historically speaking; that's no where to being true.
It certainly works in practice a good portion of the time.
But history is littered with countries/cities/towns/villages who never fucked with anyone and were minding their own business, yet, were attacked/invaded by their neighbors (and in many cases.......enemies from very far away). Usually by those praising Jesus and Allah.
Actually, historically speaking; that's no where to being true.
It certainly works in practice a good portion of the time.
But history is littered with countries/cities/towns/villages who never fucked with anyone and were minding their own business, yet, were attacked/invaded by their neighbors (and in many cases.......enemies from very far away). Usually by those praising Jesus and Allah.
Actually, historically speaking; that's no where to being true.
It certainly works in practice a good portion of the time.
But history is littered with countries/cities/towns/villages who never fucked with anyone and were minding their own business, yet, were attacked/invaded by their neighbors (and in many cases.......enemies from very far away). Usually by those praising Jesus and Allah.
List a few, so they can be discussed. Right now that statement is only hypothetical rhetoric to me.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How bout before another fucking war, we see some REAL GODDAMN PROOF!
Fuck this "alleged" shit ... prove it, or shut the fuck up.
Hey, by the way ...
does our country have a domestic policy anymore?
I mean, besides striving for an absolute totalitarian police state, do we have a fucking civic agenda !?!
proof or not. This is no justification for war. Iran doesn't like us occupying their neighbor. Neither do I. The solution to this problem is not to attack Iran.. the solution is to leave Iraq.
Besides who do we invade in response to all the weapons supplied by the United States that are killing Americans?
proof or not. This is no justification for war. Iran doesn't like us occupying their neighbor. Neither do I. The solution to this problem is not to attack Iran.. the solution is to leave Iraq.
Besides who do we invade in response to all the weapons supplied by the United States that are killing Americans?
i'm a very logical thinker, and this is a very logical response. I like it. that said, Iran is no saint and may have to be dealt with regarding nuclear bombs. not because they dislike us being in Iraq
how about any country within marching distant of Germany ?
I was thinking along the terms of praise Allah.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Waste of keystrokes. You made a statement...back it up.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Anyone who has checked into the history of Islam, Muslims and their crusades; knows this to be true.
I'm just asking for a few examples. If you seem to know it so well then you should be able to list off a few in a couple secs. Seems logical.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
ever see the movie 300? wait that was Persia. good movie though
I did see 300. It was pretty good.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm just asking for a few examples. If you seem to know it so well then you should be able to list off a few in a couple secs. Seems logical.
And all I ask is that you actually familiarize yourself with the subject matter, before claiming you know something about it. Go to the library.....do a search on google...whatever. The truth is out there.....go read:D
And all I ask is that you actually familiarize yourself with the subject matter, before claiming you know something about it. Go to the library.....do a search on google...whatever. The truth is out there.....go read:D
Well at least I don't make bold sweeping statements that I'm not prepared to discuss, and provide information about.....whether I'm right or wrong.
What are you some kind of fucking crankhead or something?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Well at least I don't make bold sweeping statements that I'm not prepared to discuss, and provide information about.....whether I'm right or wrong.
What are you some kind of fucking crankhead or something?
You have the right to remain ignorant of the subject matter.
Hell, you can always tell people it's NMyTree's fault I'm ignorant of this subject. "He wouldn't comply and be my information lackey".
P.S. It's hardly a bold sweeping statement. If you knew anything of history, you wouldn't think it was a "bold sweeping statement". You'd know it was a historical truth.
You have the right to remain ignorant of the subject matter.
Hell, you can always tell people it's NMyTree's fault I'm ignorant of this subject. "He wouldn't comply and be my information lackey".
P.S. It's hardly a bold sweeping statement. If you knew anything of history, you wouldn't think it was a "bold sweeping statement". You'd know it was a historical truth.
You have the right to bllaaa blaa fart....
yay...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You and I both know......you are waiting for me to provide you examples, so you can work your little fingers (to the bone), furiously googling for anything that will help you in your attempts to discredit my historically accurate comment.
So, if you're going to google for discrediting me, why not just go ahead and google without me providing examples? I mean, I can't imagine you need me to provide you with "keywords" for your search.
So go ahead.......take the inititive .....you go girl!
You and I both know......you are waiting for me to provide you examples, so you can work your little fingers (to the bone), furiously googling for anything that will help you in your attempts to discredit my historically accurate comment.
So, if you're going to google for discrediting me, why not just go ahead and google without me providing examples? I mean, I can't imagine you need me to provide you with "keywords" for your search.
So go ahead.......take the inititive .....you go girl!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Seriously... what did we THINK was going to happen? Consider these factors in 2003:
Iraq was 60% Shi'ite, 20% Sunni and 20% kurdish
Iran was run by fundamentalists Shi'ite Clerics.
Saddam Hussein and his Sunni minority held power in Iraq and restricted the flow of Shi'ite populations and influence into Iraq.
Saddam Hussein and his Sunni minority oppresed the Shi'ite majority.
Other Sunni nations, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt leaned more towards Hussein... because they do not want Iran's influence to spread.
...
Take out Hussein and let the 60% majority elect who they want to lead and you have what we have today. A Shi'ite majority in power, the restrictions on Shi'ia immigration from Iran relaxed... removed. The guns are in the hands of the Shi'ites looking to get some payback. And that little handholding lovefest between al Maliki and Ahmedinejadabbadaddyo yesterday... not really what we wanted, right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Seriously... what did we THINK was going to happen? Consider these factors in 2003:
Iraq was 60% Shi'ite, 20% Sunni and 20% kurdish
Iran was run by fundamentalists Shi'ite Clerics.
Saddam Hussein and his Sunni minority held power in Iraq and restricted the flow of Shi'ite populations and influence into Iraq.
Saddam Hussein and his Sunni minority oppresed the Shi'ite majority.
Other Sunni nations, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt leaned more towards Hussein... because they do not want Iran's influence to spread.
...
Take out Hussein and let the 60% majority elect who they want to lead and you have what we have today. A Shi'ite majority in power, the restrictions on Shi'ia immigration from Iran relaxed... removed. The guns are in the hands of the Shi'ites looking to get some payback. And that little handholding lovefest between al Maliki and Ahmedinejadabbadaddyo yesterday... not really what we wanted, right?
Bush said it himself...he's a war president.
I mean fuck... stop whacking people as casual policy. I almost give up...effing clowns the lot of them.
What of the US/Iran "talks" that were supposed to happen?...notice how that came and went like a fast handjob in the media?
Shouldn't this be the ongoing focus towards Iran?
Answer: of course it should!
Homey don't play that game eh?
Yeah and separate washrooms for Iraqi troops in the military...oh great. Can't use the American toilets.
Muslims...the new black man of yesteryear.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I mean fuck... stop whacking people as casual policy. I almost give up...effing clowns the lot of them.
What of the US/Iran "talks" that were supposed to happen?...notice how that came and went like a fast handjob in the media?
Shouldn't this be the ongoing focus towards Iran?
Answer: of course it should!
Homey don't play that game eh?
Yeah and separate washrooms for Iraqi troops in the military...oh great. Can't use the American toilets.
Muslims...the new black man of yesteryear.
...
That's the problem with Iran... we DON'T know what they're up to because we haven't talked to them since 1978. We can only guess what they are up to. I mean, during the Cold War... we were talking to the Soviet Union.
Maybe with Iraq and Iran becoming good buddies... maybe we can ask Iraq what Iran id doing.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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good point. The Taliban...NOT IRAQ!
and if you think the biggest terrorist attack was not supported somewhat by the Saudi Gov't or society at large...then you are kidding yourself. that shit didn't happen in a bubble. We ignore that because they produce so much oil...Bush has to walk litterally...hand in hand w/ there leader!
there were no terrorists on 911 of Iraqi...or Afghani decent....
-Big Fish
I completely agree. I am no fan of the saudis.
I also agree. Iraq became al queda fly paper after we went in. at this point, I believe al queda would loose support from extremist if we left Iraq. but I would hate to be wrong.
Yeah...what IS up with that.. Walking along holdings hands? Who else does that?
http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123063/2111846/2116263/050426_BUSH-ABDULLAH_ex.jpg
http://www.greatdreams.com/political/bush_saudi.jpg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Do you find it acceptable that (the United States Military and this Administration) have invaded and attacked Iraq, killed hundreds upon thousands of people; as a response to 9/11?
What exactly did Iraq and Saddam have to do with 9/11?
That's the equivelent of me attacking Rhode Island because Montana attacked me.
nothing
Actually, historically speaking; that's no where to being true.
It certainly works in practice a good portion of the time.
But history is littered with countries/cities/towns/villages who never fucked with anyone and were minding their own business, yet, were attacked/invaded by their neighbors (and in many cases.......enemies from very far away). Usually by those praising Jesus and Allah.
very good point.
List a few, so they can be discussed. Right now that statement is only hypothetical rhetoric to me.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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how about any country within marching distant of Germany ?
proof or not. This is no justification for war. Iran doesn't like us occupying their neighbor. Neither do I. The solution to this problem is not to attack Iran.. the solution is to leave Iraq.
Besides who do we invade in response to all the weapons supplied by the United States that are killing Americans?
i'm a very logical thinker, and this is a very logical response. I like it. that said, Iran is no saint and may have to be dealt with regarding nuclear bombs. not because they dislike us being in Iraq
I was thinking along the terms of praise Allah.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Try reading a book.....once in a while.
Waste of keystrokes. You made a statement...back it up.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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ever see the movie 300? wait that was Persia.
It wasn't a statement. It is a historical fact.
Anyone who has checked into the history of Islam, Muslims and their crusades; knows this to be true.
I'm just asking for a few examples. If you seem to know it so well then you should be able to list off a few in a couple secs. Seems logical.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I did see 300. It was pretty good.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
And all I ask is that you actually familiarize yourself with the subject matter, before claiming you know something about it. Go to the library.....do a search on google...whatever. The truth is out there.....go read:D
you are the model citizen here...lol so gullible ...and no need for facts in your head...just as long as your tucked away behind your keyboard..
jlew24....... still a tool
Well at least I don't make bold sweeping statements that I'm not prepared to discuss, and provide information about.....whether I'm right or wrong.
What are you some kind of fucking crankhead or something?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You have the right to remain ignorant of the subject matter.
Hell, you can always tell people it's NMyTree's fault I'm ignorant of this subject. "He wouldn't comply and be my information lackey".
P.S. It's hardly a bold sweeping statement. If you knew anything of history, you wouldn't think it was a "bold sweeping statement". You'd know it was a historical truth.
o what you could do with a matchbook, garden hose, and a screwdriver.
http://www.joorl.com/Stargate/macgyver.jpg
You have the right to bllaaa blaa fart....
yay...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Excellent!
Okay, let's be logical.
You and I both know......you are waiting for me to provide you examples, so you can work your little fingers (to the bone), furiously googling for anything that will help you in your attempts to discredit my historically accurate comment.
So, if you're going to google for discrediting me, why not just go ahead and google without me providing examples? I mean, I can't imagine you need me to provide you with "keywords" for your search.
So go ahead.......take the inititive .....you go girl!
dude... <step>...<away>...<from>...<the>...<computer>...
it's giving you personality aneurysms...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Iraq was 60% Shi'ite, 20% Sunni and 20% kurdish
Iran was run by fundamentalists Shi'ite Clerics.
Saddam Hussein and his Sunni minority held power in Iraq and restricted the flow of Shi'ite populations and influence into Iraq.
Saddam Hussein and his Sunni minority oppresed the Shi'ite majority.
Other Sunni nations, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt leaned more towards Hussein... because they do not want Iran's influence to spread.
...
Take out Hussein and let the 60% majority elect who they want to lead and you have what we have today. A Shi'ite majority in power, the restrictions on Shi'ia immigration from Iran relaxed... removed. The guns are in the hands of the Shi'ites looking to get some payback. And that little handholding lovefest between al Maliki and Ahmedinejadabbadaddyo yesterday... not really what we wanted, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Bush said it himself...he's a war president.
I mean fuck... stop whacking people as casual policy. I almost give up...effing clowns the lot of them.
What of the US/Iran "talks" that were supposed to happen?...notice how that came and went like a fast handjob in the media?
Shouldn't this be the ongoing focus towards Iran?
Answer: of course it should!
Homey don't play that game eh?
Yeah and separate washrooms for Iraqi troops in the military...oh great. Can't use the American toilets.
Muslims...the new black man of yesteryear.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
That's the problem with Iran... we DON'T know what they're up to because we haven't talked to them since 1978. We can only guess what they are up to. I mean, during the Cold War... we were talking to the Soviet Union.
Maybe with Iraq and Iran becoming good buddies... maybe we can ask Iraq what Iran id doing.
Hail, Hail!!!