Me and Barack:

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MasterFramer wrote:

You cant "fix" thousands of years of hate... not going to happen.

The US has been around for thousands of years?

look that's not my point. my point WAS that when we go bombing the place, killing hteir people, and stuff, it's not fine to just pick up and leave. that's what'll lead em to hate us even more.....

fuck

LikeAnOcean wrote:

He did not support going in, but once we were in his only logical choice was to support fixing the situation by supporting what we had already started, but now that fixing the situation isn't working he sees it needs to end.. That makes perfectly good sense to me, and he has already explained that.

once we were in what?

what are you talking about?

MrBrian

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I can't be sure, but only hope. It's our only chance.. and he votes to fund the war because he supports the troops and we need to fix what we fucked up. Going into Iraq was bad he agrees, but just pulling out is irresponsible. It's like breaking your neighbors window, going to fix it, but not finishing it because now you're making a mess of their yard with your tools.

So He funds the war he doesnt believe in, so pretty much keeps it going, bcoz supports the troops, yet he should know that the money will not be spent in the right ways and only continue to be wasted and not do anything for the troops. so infact not helping them at all, plus if the war had no money, it could not go on. This is your only chance? your only hope? Poor america. really its very sad.

MasterFramer

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

The US has been around for thousands of years?

look that's not my point. my point WAS that when we go bombing the place, killing hteir people, and stuff, it's not fine to just pick up and leave. that's what'll lead em to hate us even more.....

You know I was referring to the Sunni-Shia conflict right?

And what do you mean just pick up and leave? We've been there for almost 5 fucking years now! Trying to help them... they don't want it or they would have stepped the fuck up by now and helped us out.

MasterFramer

MrBrian wrote:

This is your only chance? your only hope? Poor america. really its very sad.

Who the fuck is your hope and chance?

LikeAnOcean

MrBrian wrote:

So He funds the war he doesnt believe in, so pretty much keeps it going, bcoz supports the troops, yet he should know that the money will not be spent in the right ways and only continue to be wasted and not do anything for the troops. so infact not helping them at all, plus if the war had no money, it could not go on. This is your only chance? your only hope? Poor america. really its very sad.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. I would have done the same thing he did, and would feel confident with my reasoning.

fuck

MasterFramer wrote:

You know I was referring to the Sunni-Shia conflict right?

Yeah, and my point was what the fuck does the US have to do with it, other than involving itself in it.

And what do you mean just pick up and leave? We've been there for almost 5 fucking years now! Trying to help them... they don't want it or they would have stepped the fuck up by now and helped us out.

Trying to help them? Sorry, but just how dense are you?

MrBrian

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. I would have done the same thing he did, and would feel confident with my reasoning.

yeah but saying you dont agree is like saying that you dont agree that 1+1=2
They money in iraq has not been spent well, it has harmed the troops more and if the war machine had no money, it could not go on.

LikeAnOcean

MrBrian wrote:

yeah but saying you dont agree is like saying that you dont agree that 1+1=2

No it isn't. Obama couldn't predict how things were going to go down. I still disagree.

Oh, wait, your right. Obama is the devil. He wishes war, pain and death.

MrBrian

LikeAnOcean wrote:

No it isn't. Obama can't predict how things were going to go down.

It's not about predictions, it's about looking at the history of giving Bush money, see the math?

One need not be a psychic to see the problems that would happen.

LikeAnOcean

MrBrian wrote:

It's not about predictions, it's about looking at the history of giving Bush money, see the math?

One need not be a psychic to see the problems that would happen.

I still disagree. This isn't math, its politics. Opinions change and people make mistakes. I personally went from being anti-invasion, to pro-war to anti-war, so I'm relating to his thought process. I respect your opinion though and see where you are coming from.

MasterFramer

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

Yeah, and my point was what the fuck does the US have to do with it, other than involving itself in it.



Trying to help them? Sorry, but just how dense are you?

LOL great point!

Oh you must be one of those idiots that think we are fighting terrorists in Iraq. My bad. If you are going to try to insult me try harder next time.

MrBrian

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I still disagree. This isn't math, its politics. Opinions change and people make mistakes. I personally went from being anti-invasion, to pro-war to anti-war, so I'm relating to his thought process. I respect your opinion though and see where you are coming from.

Ok friend, fair enough.

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MasterFramer wrote:

LOL great point!

Oh you must be one of those idiots that think we are fighting terrorists in Iraq. My bad. If you are going to try to insult me try harder next time.

Haha, dude, I'm the EXACT opposite of that.

sponger

"Barak and Me" would denote proper sentence structure as opposed to "Me and Barak." I know I misspelled "Barack", but that's OK since I'm only referring to grammar.

g under p

19 Miles to Baghdad
Lyrics by Lizzie West

19 miles to Baghdad
what have I become
New York's got snow in April
and I can't locate the sun
tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
Katy holds up the bible
are you reading this for fun?
19 miles to Baghdad
soldiers load up your guns
and tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
the boy in the middle he sits down to play
he moves to the window
i can see him as he waves
“Hey, Mac look out!”
Mac calls back, “Billy I'll be careful, I'm just trying to be brave,
so tie a yellow ribbon around something,
something lives beyond the grave.”
The field reveals that something was concealed
we make a deal to feel again
to ask what is the means and to what end
what is the cause that we defend?
the flag is flying across the country
me and the band we play the bars
and Glyn she points out to the highway
the flags fly the highest where the people buy their cars
two planes are flying across the country
New York's so pretty in the fall
“Hey Mac, look out!”
Mac calls back, “Billy, I'll be careful, I'm sure they built them to stand so tall.”
Now 19 Miles To Baghdad
They fall and we're called
to tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
tie a yellow ribbon
around something
what have we become?


LOVE your space and I love this song of protest. At protest marches in Washington DC I play it along with many songs from this activist Micheal Franti and his band SPEARHEAD. Here's the title song to last album "Yell Fire"...Micheal Franti and Spearhead

Peace

RolandTD20Kdrummer

How much debt should the gov't shovel on top of our children, grand children, great grandchildren etc.

Their taxable income is eventually going to be in the 70%+ range.

At that point doesn't it all officially equate to full on slavery?

Fall in line, put in the chains, and turn the wheel?

fuck that noise homey...that shit aint worth it imo...

jlew24asu

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

Trying to help them? Sorry, but just how dense are you?

why is it so hard to believe we are actually trying to help Iraqis? how dense are you? thats the best response you have? maybe check back when you become an adult.

Bu2

LOL.

Seriously, though. I'd like to thank most of you for your understanding and support: Cornifer, and LikeAnOcean especially.

I'd like to explain to Sponger that my grammar was bad on purpose: I meant to say "Me and Barack, we go way back" but I left out that second part by mistake, so my message got misconstrued.....sort of like what Hillary is now saying about her diss to MLK.

g under p, a special thank you for posting the lyrics to 19 Miles to Baghdad. It's a very strong song that needs to be heard (and read). I will check out your protest song right now.

For those of you who haven't been paying attention, Kucinich and a minor Republican have ordered a recount in New Hampshire and it is being granted. Obama, in the meantime, has won some MAJOR endorsements since Tuesday and is running strong in Nevada and SC. There's a Dem debate coming up on MLK Jr's "official" birthday, the holiday, Monday Jan 21, and we have a little more than 3 weeks left before Super Duper Tuesday.

Lis is voting for Obama in the Primaries.....Are You?

Peace and love,
Lis a/k/a Bu2

mca47

As a registered Dem but an independent at heart, I can honestly say Obama is my #1 choice!