We as in nationalism?, because last I checked the people in the middle east are people too.
I don't mean to argue with you, because I actually agree with your stance about getting the hell out, but since I'm no expert on getting out, I'd rather have somebody like Obama oversee our withdrawl than somebody like Bush.
We bombed the fuck out of them, the least we can do is try to not leave them in chaos.
does that sound like he's for PEACE with Iran? "Strong diplomatic actions with tougher sanctions."
Yeah, that sounds like peace.
"Stop enriching uranium and stop building a bomb".
Yep, sounds like he definitely thinks Iran is trying to build a bomb. He's just as clueless as any other GOP candidate. He definitely does not look like he is for peace with them, if that's hte way he talks about their president and that's the way he plans on dealing with them.
We as in nationalism?, because last I checked the people in the middle east are people too.
I don't mean to argue with you, because I actually agree with your stance about getting the hell out, but since I'm no expert on getting out, I'd rather have somebody like Obama oversee our withdrawl than somebody like Bush.
We bombed the fuck out of them, the least we can do is try to not leave them in chaos.
Im all for helping people out but at a certain point... enough is enough.
Im all for helping people out but at a certain point... enough is enough.
I could be wrong, but my feeling is that with Obama in office, we will be out not right away, but before his term ends. With McCain, we are guaranteed to still be in there 5 years from now..
oh, and atleast a year ago, Obama WAS supporting war with Iran, and advocated bombing Pakistan at some point.
He did not support going in, but once we were in his only logical choice was to support fixing the situation by supporting what we had already started, but now that fixing the situation isn't working he sees it needs to end.. That makes perfectly good sense to me, and he has already explained that.
I could be wrong, but my feeling is that with Obama in office, we will be out not right away, but before his term ends. With McCain, we are guaranteed to still be in there 5 years from now..
My stance on this has nothing to do with who is in office. I am supporting Obama... we'll see what he does. I'm not supporting him because of his stance on the war though.
In reality the way we have entrenched ourselves in the "green zone" we will never leave Iraq... I know this.
I just get emotional on the subject, it's all such fucking bullshit.
You cant "fix" thousands of years of hate... not going to happen.
The US has been around for thousands of years?
look that's not my point. my point WAS that when we go bombing the place, killing hteir people, and stuff, it's not fine to just pick up and leave. that's what'll lead em to hate us even more.....
He did not support going in, but once we were in his only logical choice was to support fixing the situation by supporting what we had already started, but now that fixing the situation isn't working he sees it needs to end.. That makes perfectly good sense to me, and he has already explained that.
I can't be sure, but only hope. It's our only chance.. and he votes to fund the war because he supports the troops and we need to fix what we fucked up. Going into Iraq was bad he agrees, but just pulling out is irresponsible. It's like breaking your neighbors window, going to fix it, but not finishing it because now you're making a mess of their yard with your tools.
So He funds the war he doesnt believe in, so pretty much keeps it going, bcoz supports the troops, yet he should know that the money will not be spent in the right ways and only continue to be wasted and not do anything for the troops. so infact not helping them at all, plus if the war had no money, it could not go on. This is your only chance? your only hope? Poor america. really its very sad.
look that's not my point. my point WAS that when we go bombing the place, killing hteir people, and stuff, it's not fine to just pick up and leave. that's what'll lead em to hate us even more.....
You know I was referring to the Sunni-Shia conflict right?
And what do you mean just pick up and leave? We've been there for almost 5 fucking years now! Trying to help them... they don't want it or they would have stepped the fuck up by now and helped us out.
So He funds the war he doesnt believe in, so pretty much keeps it going, bcoz supports the troops, yet he should know that the money will not be spent in the right ways and only continue to be wasted and not do anything for the troops. so infact not helping them at all, plus if the war had no money, it could not go on. This is your only chance? your only hope? Poor america. really its very sad.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. I would have done the same thing he did, and would feel confident with my reasoning.
You know I was referring to the Sunni-Shia conflict right?
Yeah, and my point was what the fuck does the US have to do with it, other than involving itself in it.
And what do you mean just pick up and leave? We've been there for almost 5 fucking years now! Trying to help them... they don't want it or they would have stepped the fuck up by now and helped us out.
Trying to help them? Sorry, but just how dense are you?
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. I would have done the same thing he did, and would feel confident with my reasoning.
yeah but saying you dont agree is like saying that you dont agree that 1+1=2
They money in iraq has not been spent well, it has harmed the troops more and if the war machine had no money, it could not go on.
It's not about predictions, it's about looking at the history of giving Bush money, see the math?
One need not be a psychic to see the problems that would happen.
I still disagree. This isn't math, its politics. Opinions change and people make mistakes. I personally went from being anti-invasion, to pro-war to anti-war, so I'm relating to his thought process. I respect your opinion though and see where you are coming from.
I still disagree. This isn't math, its politics. Opinions change and people make mistakes. I personally went from being anti-invasion, to pro-war to anti-war, so I'm relating to his thought process. I respect your opinion though and see where you are coming from.
"Barak and Me" would denote proper sentence structure as opposed to "Me and Barak." I know I misspelled "Barack", but that's OK since I'm only referring to grammar.
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19 Miles to Baghdad
Lyrics by Lizzie West
19 miles to Baghdad
what have I become
New York's got snow in April
and I can't locate the sun
tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
Katy holds up the bible
are you reading this for fun?
19 miles to Baghdad
soldiers load up your guns
and tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
the boy in the middle he sits down to play
he moves to the window
i can see him as he waves
“Hey, Mac look out!”
Mac calls back, “Billy I'll be careful, I'm just trying to be brave,
so tie a yellow ribbon around something,
something lives beyond the grave.”
The field reveals that something was concealed
we make a deal to feel again
to ask what is the means and to what end
what is the cause that we defend?
the flag is flying across the country
me and the band we play the bars
and Glyn she points out to the highway
the flags fly the highest where the people buy their cars
two planes are flying across the country
New York's so pretty in the fall
“Hey Mac, look out!”
Mac calls back, “Billy, I'll be careful, I'm sure they built them to stand so tall.”
Now 19 Miles To Baghdad
They fall and we're called
to tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
tie a yellow ribbon
around something
what have we become?
LOVE your space and I love this song of protest. At protest marches in Washington DC I play it along with many songs from this activist Micheal Franti and his band SPEARHEAD. Here's the title song to last album "Yell Fire"...Micheal Franti and Spearhead
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
How much debt should the gov't shovel on top of our children, grand children, great grandchildren etc.
Their taxable income is eventually going to be in the 70%+ range.
At that point doesn't it all officially equate to full on slavery?
Fall in line, put in the chains, and turn the wheel?
fuck that noise homey...that shit aint worth it imo...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Trying to help them? Sorry, but just how dense are you?
why is it so hard to believe we are actually trying to help Iraqis? how dense are you? thats the best response you have? maybe check back when you become an adult.
Seriously, though. I'd like to thank most of you for your understanding and support: Cornifer, and LikeAnOcean especially.
I'd like to explain to Sponger that my grammar was bad on purpose: I meant to say "Me and Barack, we go way back" but I left out that second part by mistake, so my message got misconstrued.....sort of like what Hillary is now saying about her diss to MLK.
g under p, a special thank you for posting the lyrics to 19 Miles to Baghdad. It's a very strong song that needs to be heard (and read). I will check out your protest song right now.
For those of you who haven't been paying attention, Kucinich and a minor Republican have ordered a recount in New Hampshire and it is being granted. Obama, in the meantime, has won some MAJOR endorsements since Tuesday and is running strong in Nevada and SC. There's a Dem debate coming up on MLK Jr's "official" birthday, the holiday, Monday Jan 21, and we have a little more than 3 weeks left before Super Duper Tuesday.
Lis is voting for Obama in the Primaries.....Are You?
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No... its called we, we, we.
I don't mean to argue with you, because I actually agree with your stance about getting the hell out, but since I'm no expert on getting out, I'd rather have somebody like Obama oversee our withdrawl than somebody like Bush.
We bombed the fuck out of them, the least we can do is try to not leave them in chaos.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article
does that sound like he's for PEACE with Iran? "Strong diplomatic actions with tougher sanctions."
Yeah, that sounds like peace.
"Stop enriching uranium and stop building a bomb".
Yep, sounds like he definitely thinks Iran is trying to build a bomb. He's just as clueless as any other GOP candidate. He definitely does not look like he is for peace with them, if that's hte way he talks about their president and that's the way he plans on dealing with them.
also, read this: http://www.counterpunch.org/smith10132004.html
oh, and atleast a year ago, Obama WAS supporting war with Iran, and advocated bombing Pakistan at some point.
Im all for helping people out but at a certain point... enough is enough.
well, if it's not somethign that we caused, then I might kind of sort of not really see your point.
but when we are the reason for the fucking chaos, we better not leave before we try to fix it.
and i don't mean 'fix it' like bush means it, i mean REALLY fix it.
You cant "fix" thousands of years of hate... not going to happen.
My stance on this has nothing to do with who is in office. I am supporting Obama... we'll see what he does. I'm not supporting him because of his stance on the war though.
In reality the way we have entrenched ourselves in the "green zone" we will never leave Iraq... I know this.
I just get emotional on the subject, it's all such fucking bullshit.
The US has been around for thousands of years?
look that's not my point. my point WAS that when we go bombing the place, killing hteir people, and stuff, it's not fine to just pick up and leave. that's what'll lead em to hate us even more.....
once we were in what?
what are you talking about?
So He funds the war he doesnt believe in, so pretty much keeps it going, bcoz supports the troops, yet he should know that the money will not be spent in the right ways and only continue to be wasted and not do anything for the troops. so infact not helping them at all, plus if the war had no money, it could not go on. This is your only chance? your only hope? Poor america. really its very sad.
You know I was referring to the Sunni-Shia conflict right?
And what do you mean just pick up and leave? We've been there for almost 5 fucking years now! Trying to help them... they don't want it or they would have stepped the fuck up by now and helped us out.
Who the fuck is your hope and chance?
Yeah, and my point was what the fuck does the US have to do with it, other than involving itself in it.
Trying to help them? Sorry, but just how dense are you?
yeah but saying you dont agree is like saying that you dont agree that 1+1=2
They money in iraq has not been spent well, it has harmed the troops more and if the war machine had no money, it could not go on.
Oh, wait, your right. Obama is the devil. He wishes war, pain and death.
It's not about predictions, it's about looking at the history of giving Bush money, see the math?
One need not be a psychic to see the problems that would happen.
LOL great point!
Oh you must be one of those idiots that think we are fighting terrorists in Iraq. My bad. If you are going to try to insult me try harder next time.
Ok friend, fair enough.
Haha, dude, I'm the EXACT opposite of that.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Lyrics by Lizzie West
19 miles to Baghdad
what have I become
New York's got snow in April
and I can't locate the sun
tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
Katy holds up the bible
are you reading this for fun?
19 miles to Baghdad
soldiers load up your guns
and tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
the boy in the middle he sits down to play
he moves to the window
i can see him as he waves
“Hey, Mac look out!”
Mac calls back, “Billy I'll be careful, I'm just trying to be brave,
so tie a yellow ribbon around something,
something lives beyond the grave.”
The field reveals that something was concealed
we make a deal to feel again
to ask what is the means and to what end
what is the cause that we defend?
the flag is flying across the country
me and the band we play the bars
and Glyn she points out to the highway
the flags fly the highest where the people buy their cars
two planes are flying across the country
New York's so pretty in the fall
“Hey Mac, look out!”
Mac calls back, “Billy, I'll be careful, I'm sure they built them to stand so tall.”
Now 19 Miles To Baghdad
They fall and we're called
to tie a yellow ribbon around something
something good has begun
tie a yellow ribbon
around something
what have we become?
LOVE your space and I love this song of protest. At protest marches in Washington DC I play it along with many songs from this activist Micheal Franti and his band SPEARHEAD. Here's the title song to last album "Yell Fire"...Micheal Franti and Spearhead
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Their taxable income is eventually going to be in the 70%+ range.
At that point doesn't it all officially equate to full on slavery?
Fall in line, put in the chains, and turn the wheel?
fuck that noise homey...that shit aint worth it imo...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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why is it so hard to believe we are actually trying to help Iraqis? how dense are you? thats the best response you have? maybe check back when you become an adult.
Seriously, though. I'd like to thank most of you for your understanding and support: Cornifer, and LikeAnOcean especially.
I'd like to explain to Sponger that my grammar was bad on purpose: I meant to say "Me and Barack, we go way back" but I left out that second part by mistake, so my message got misconstrued.....sort of like what Hillary is now saying about her diss to MLK.
g under p, a special thank you for posting the lyrics to 19 Miles to Baghdad. It's a very strong song that needs to be heard (and read). I will check out your protest song right now.
For those of you who haven't been paying attention, Kucinich and a minor Republican have ordered a recount in New Hampshire and it is being granted. Obama, in the meantime, has won some MAJOR endorsements since Tuesday and is running strong in Nevada and SC. There's a Dem debate coming up on MLK Jr's "official" birthday, the holiday, Monday Jan 21, and we have a little more than 3 weeks left before Super Duper Tuesday.
Lis is voting for Obama in the Primaries.....Are You?
Peace and love,
Lis a/k/a Bu2