Me and Barack:

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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Iran has sworn us as enemies.. thousands or even millions of people incorporate "Death to America" in their daily prayers.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUezKsBCRbk


    Iran is no saint. they talk tough so we talk tough back.

    The majority of the Iranian people do not hold this view.
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  • Carlos D
    Carlos D Posts: 638
    MasterFramer wrote:
    The majority of the Iranian people do not hold this view.

    How do you know that?I'm not saying that the majority do but it seems to me like an awful lot of them do.
    It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    The majority of the Iranian people do not hold this view.

    I never said they did. secondly how do you know? if not the majority then how much? we arent talking some renegade section of the population. its a very large amount. maybe even a whole generations worth.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    $100 says Diebold gives Hillary the nod. ;)

    Obama is not a anti war as his supporters make him out to be.

    He'll fire up the guns as fast as the next guy.

    There's no actual option except to lie down....and that's not going to happen until the levee breaks.

    Good luck with that shit storm.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    MrBrian wrote:
    You and most other obama supporters seem to be missing the point, which is, why is he even talking about iran in that way? Bcoz its in the Bush axis of evil?

    I mean What is Iran doing thats so bad? why is Obama and all these other war folks talking about Iran with this tone? he's just like all the other politicians. all options in the table! what a joke.

    Why is his mind fixed on iran? seems to be bcoz he's thinking the same as the others. the cowboy thinking of "we will be ready for iran" bs.

    Even this latest speedboat junk, americans and the politicians jumping around for nothing! Iran has made no threats towards america, is not making a bomb. so why the tough talk to begin with?
    Come on. We both know Obama will not attack Iran. He talks about Iran because he is playing the political game to get elected. All options are on the table because he knows he will win the support of conservatives by saying this.. the only option he will choose is the one of peace.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    Carlos D wrote:
    How do you know that?I'm not saying that the majority do but it seems to me like an awful lot of them do.

    Because I have friends that are Iranians... do you know anyone from Iran? or anyone that has been there?
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Come on. We both know Obama will not attack Iran. He talks about Iran becasue he is playing the political game to get elected. All options are on the table because he knows he will win the support of conservatives by saying this.. the only option he will choose is the one of peace.

    So he's just saying all these things to get support of people who are for those things? Sounds like all the others to me.

    How are we so sure its just his game? how can you be sure he will choose peace when he votes to fund the same war he says hes against? calls israel a friend, and looking at history, israel seems far from a friend and is one of the most abusive states around. didnt obama vote to renew the patriot act? these are not signs from a man of peace. or are they?
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    MrBrian wrote:
    So he's just saying all these things to get support of people who are for those things? Sounds like all the others to me.

    How are we so sure its just his game? how can you be sure he will choose peace when he votes to fund the same war he says hes against? calls israel a friend, and looking at history, israel seems far from a friend and is one of the most abusive states around. didnt obama vote to renew the patriot act? these are are not signs from a man of peace. or are they?
    I can't be sure, but only hope. It's our only chance.. and he votes to fund the war because he supports the troops and we need to fix what we fucked up. Going into Iraq was bad he agrees, but just pulling out is irresponsible. It's like breaking your neighbors window, going to fix it, but not finishing it because now you're making a mess of their yard with your tools.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Because I have friends that are Iranians... do you know anyone from Iran? or anyone that has been there?

    you obviosuly do not know much history about Iran. but you know an Iranian and that makes you an expert?

    there is a whole generation of Iranians (from the 70 and 80s) who hate america. its the new generation that is finally starting to like us. although we arent doing a good job of building on that.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I can't be sure, but only hope. It's are only chance.. and he votes to fund the war because he supports the troops and we need to fix what we fucked up. Going into Iraq was bad, but just pulling out is irresponsible. It's like breaking your neighbors window and not fixing it.

    At this point? Fuck em... we need to start taking care of our own country and our own people. The government there takes fucking vacations while Americans are dieing securing their streets... fuck that and fuck them... I'm sick of us flushing American lives and dollars down the toilet.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    MasterFramer wrote:
    At this point? Fuck em... we need to start taking care of our own country and our own people.
    Well thats the American way.. me, me, me..
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Well thats the American way.. me, me, me..

    No... its called we, we, we.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    MasterFramer wrote:
    No... its called we, we, we.
    We as in nationalism?, because last I checked the people in the middle east are people too.

    I don't mean to argue with you, because I actually agree with your stance about getting the hell out, but since I'm no expert on getting out, I'd rather have somebody like Obama oversee our withdrawl than somebody like Bush.

    We bombed the fuck out of them, the least we can do is try to not leave them in chaos.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    I love how quick people are to attack me.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article

    does that sound like he's for PEACE with Iran? "Strong diplomatic actions with tougher sanctions."

    Yeah, that sounds like peace.

    "Stop enriching uranium and stop building a bomb".

    Yep, sounds like he definitely thinks Iran is trying to build a bomb. He's just as clueless as any other GOP candidate. He definitely does not look like he is for peace with them, if that's hte way he talks about their president and that's the way he plans on dealing with them.

    also, read this: http://www.counterpunch.org/smith10132004.html

    oh, and atleast a year ago, Obama WAS supporting war with Iran, and advocated bombing Pakistan at some point.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    We as in nationalism?, because last I checked the people in the middle east are people too.

    I don't mean to argue with you, because I actually agree with your stance about getting the hell out, but since I'm no expert on getting out, I'd rather have somebody like Obama oversee our withdrawl than somebody like Bush.

    We bombed the fuck out of them, the least we can do is try to not leave them in chaos.

    Im all for helping people out but at a certain point... enough is enough.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Im all for helping people out but at a certain point... enough is enough.

    well, if it's not somethign that we caused, then I might kind of sort of not really see your point.

    but when we are the reason for the fucking chaos, we better not leave before we try to fix it.

    and i don't mean 'fix it' like bush means it, i mean REALLY fix it.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Im all for helping people out but at a certain point... enough is enough.
    I could be wrong, but my feeling is that with Obama in office, we will be out not right away, but before his term ends. With McCain, we are guaranteed to still be in there 5 years from now..
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    well, if it's not somethign that we caused, then I might kind of sort of not really see your point.

    but when we are the reason for the fucking chaos, we better not leave before we try to fix it.

    and i don't mean 'fix it' like bush means it, i mean REALLY fix it.

    You cant "fix" thousands of years of hate... not going to happen.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    oh, and atleast a year ago, Obama WAS supporting war with Iran, and advocated bombing Pakistan at some point.
    He did not support going in, but once we were in his only logical choice was to support fixing the situation by supporting what we had already started, but now that fixing the situation isn't working he sees it needs to end.. That makes perfectly good sense to me, and he has already explained that.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I could be wrong, but my feeling is that with Obama in office, we will be out not right away, but before his term ends. With McCain, we are guaranteed to still be in there 5 years from now..

    My stance on this has nothing to do with who is in office. I am supporting Obama... we'll see what he does. I'm not supporting him because of his stance on the war though.

    In reality the way we have entrenched ourselves in the "green zone" we will never leave Iraq... I know this.

    I just get emotional on the subject, it's all such fucking bullshit.
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