Cindy Sheehan (anti-Iraq, by the way):

Abookamongstthemany

metsfan531941 wrote:

and thats fine and all but expect people to voice THERE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH bout it too

Of course, but don't expect me not to question their reasoning...especially when I'm having a hard time seeing where it is coming from.

onelongsong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

In the religion threads you try to play such a nice guy...live and let live. You're no different.

i don't recall saying she shouldn't live. in fact; all i said was that i'm amazed at the people that follow her. that falls under opinion and last i've checked; i'm still entitled to an opinion. i'm also amazed at the people that follow people like jim jones and the branch dividians and the countless other cults.
the fact remains that this is a common housewife mad about her son dying. so she took up a cause. if he had chosen to be a policeman and was shot during that job; her mission would have been banning guns. IMO. but what if he chose to be a fireman and died in a fire? people pick dangerous occupations. i raise the most dangerous animal in north america. people become cops; a job where people shoot at you. her son chose to become a sholdier and knew the risks of the job. my son leaves for iraq in 3 months and i accept that he may die there. if he does i won't do a bunch of one sided research and claim to be the best person to rule the most powerful country in the world. nor would i claim to have all the answers about ending the war; etc. she's just another fanatic in my book and she can live and be happy. let the sheep follow her where ever she roams. but when you hook your wagon to a fanatic; you become labeled a fanatic.
nobody is FOR the war. we can unite and say we want an end to it. but we also have to consider the future and how our withdrawal will effect the world. thus the need for a plan that leaves a troubled and formally oppressed nation with the freedoms we all enjoy and an economy that leaves them self supporting. we nuked japan and we're still helping them although they are one of the worlds top economies. america has always helped rebuild nations we've had to fight in. most we were asked to help and the others we were invaded. so america will not walk away from iraq until it is rebuilt and active in the world economy. with it's resources iraq can be a thriving economy in the world market and if the money is distributed in a democracy and not put in one mans pocket; the future of iraq is bright.
the heartless thing to do is pull out and let the factions kill eachother. we could then walk in and claim it for ourself.

onelongsong

metsfan531941 wrote:

its called free speech ever hear of it, its not just for people who have lost a loved one in a senseless war.we should have respect just for her, how bout the other family's who have lost a loved one, how come we dont hear bout them, how come we only hear bout cindy sheehan.

because she's a media whore.

Gary Carter

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So because she chose to work with Moore or whoever she doesn't deserve respect? Why? Did you ever think those lefties heard her message agreed and wanted to help? Why is that a bad thing? She was and is a real crusader against the war? How can you say she's not?

And metsy, I'm not taking cheap shots at you, dear. Many here share your view so I didn't feel the need to single you out.

btw- i actually do have respect for her, i just dont like the way she went bout all this.yes i do agree they wanted to help and she accepted that help and once she did that, this whole country gave up on her and her idea. no a real crusader would off been ending this war and she possibly could of done that by herself

Abookamongstthemany

onelongsong wrote:

i don't recall saying she shouldn't live. in fact; all i said was that i'm amazed at the people that follow her. that falls under opinion and last i've checked; i'm still entitled to an opinion. i'm also amazed at the people that follow people like jim jones and the branch dividians and the countless other cults.
the fact remains that this is a common housewife mad about her son dying. so she took up a cause. if he had chosen to be a policeman and was shot during that job; her mission would have been banning guns. IMO. but what if he chose to be a fireman and died in a fire? people pick dangerous occupations. i raise the most dangerous animal in north america. people become cops; a job where people shoot at you. her son chose to become a sholdier and knew the risks of the job. my son leaves for iraq in 3 months and i accept that he may die there. if he does i won't do a bunch of one sided research and claim to be the best person to rule the most powerful country in the world. nor would i claim to have all the answers about ending the war; etc. she's just another fanatic in my book and she can live and be happy. let the sheep follow her where ever she roams. but when you hook your wagon to a fanatic; you become labeled a fanatic.
nobody is FOR the war. we can unite and say we want an end to it. but we also have to consider the future and how our withdrawal will effect the world. thus the need for a plan that leaves a troubled and formally oppressed nation with the freedoms we all enjoy and an economy that leaves them self supporting. we nuked japan and we're still helping them although they are one of the worlds top economies. america has always helped rebuild nations we've had to fight in. most we were asked to help and the others we were invaded. so america will not walk away from iraq until it is rebuilt and active in the world economy. with it's resources iraq can be a thriving economy in the world market and if the money is distributed in a democracy and not put in one mans pocket; the future of iraq is bright.
the heartless thing to do is pull out and let the factions kill eachother. we could then walk in and claim it for ourself.

I'm not addressing your opinion and right to have it. I'm addressing how you view people who disagree with you opinion in this case. I recall you not particularly caring for the way some have chose to conduct themselves in the religion threads...and here you are doing the same. Everyone has opinions and a right to express them...no need to state the obvious. I was just pointing out the irony.

chadwick

onelongsong wrote:

i don't recall saying she shouldn't live. in fact; all i said was that i'm amazed at the people that follow her. that falls under opinion and last i've checked; i'm still entitled to an opinion. i'm also amazed at the people that follow people like jim jones and the branch dividians and the countless other cults.
the fact remains that this is a common housewife mad about her son dying. so she took up a cause. if he had chosen to be a policeman and was shot during that job; her mission would have been banning guns. IMO. but what if he chose to be a fireman and died in a fire? people pick dangerous occupations. i raise the most dangerous animal in north america. people become cops; a job where people shoot at you. her son chose to become a sholdier and knew the risks of the job. my son leaves for iraq in 3 months and i accept that he may die there. if he does i won't do a bunch of one sided research and claim to be the best person to rule the most powerful country in the world. nor would i claim to have all the answers about ending the war; etc. she's just another fanatic in my book and she can live and be happy. let the sheep follow her where ever she roams. but when you hook your wagon to a fanatic; you become labeled a fanatic.
nobody is FOR the war. we can unite and say we want an end to it. but we also have to consider the future and how our withdrawal will effect the world. thus the need for a plan that leaves a troubled and formally oppressed nation with the freedoms we all enjoy and an economy that leaves them self supporting. we nuked japan and we're still helping them although they are one of the worlds top economies. america has always helped rebuild nations we've had to fight in. most we were asked to help and the others we were invaded. so america will not walk away from iraq until it is rebuilt and active in the world economy. with it's resources iraq can be a thriving economy in the world market and if the money is distributed in a democracy and not put in one mans pocket; the future of iraq is bright.
the heartless thing to do is pull out and let the factions kill eachother. we could then walk in and claim it for ourself.

Wow dude, you know everything.
Good job.

Cosmo

Bu2 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070709/ap_on_el_ho/cindy_sheehan_pelosi

You go, girl.

...
I always thought that Sheehan carried a valid message... I just think she either got swept up in or allowed herself to get swept up in the political wranglings of anti-war/anti-Bush organizations.
And if she wants to run for office... good. I know that there have been some real shitheads that have ran and won public seats... the worst that could happen is she is as bad as them.

Abookamongstthemany

metsfan531941 wrote:

btw- i actually do have respect for her, i just dont like the way she went bout all this.yes i do agree they wanted to help and she accepted that help and once she did that, this whole country gave up on her and her idea. no a real crusader would off been ending this war and she possibly could of done that by herself

I don't share you view that the whole country gave up on her. ON myspace alone and here, I see lots of support for her.

Also, how could she have ended the war by herself? And I thought she was out there crusading about ending the war?

chadwick

onelongsong wrote:

because she's a media whore.

wow.

Gary Carter

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't share you view that the whole country gave up on her. ON myspace alone and here, I see lots of support for her.

Also, how could she have ended the war by herself? And I thought she was out there crusading about ending the war?

yeah and the average 9-5 american isnt ON HERE OR ON MYSPACE. sorry if i didnt properly mention what group disagrees with her, ill try to remember that for the next time :rolleyes:. she had tons of support from the average 9-5 american, look at how high the support to end this war was for her

aNiMaL

metsfan531941 wrote:

how bout the other family's who have lost a loved one, how come we dont hear bout them, how come we only hear bout cindy sheehan.

If they camped out in front of the president's Crawford ranch for the time Cindy did, we'd hear about them. Don't put Cindy down because she has been the most vocal. We should praise her for her determination.

Gary Carter

aNiMaL wrote:

If they camped out in front of the president's Crawford ranch for the time Cindy did, we'd hear about them. Don't put Cindy down because she has been the most vocal. We should praise her for her determination.

oh for the love of fucking christ, cant you people read what i fucking wrote. I SAID I AGREED WITH HER AND RESPECTED HER, god its like talking to a fucking brickwall with you people

Abookamongstthemany

metsfan531941 wrote:

yeah and the average 9-5 american isnt ON HERE OR ON MYSPACE. sorry if i didnt properly mention what group disagrees with her, ill try to remember that for the next time :rolleyes:. she had tons of support from the average 9-5 american, look at how high the support to end this war was for her

How do you know what the average american supports? How do you know they don't support her?

aNiMaL

And if anyone is questioning her motives:

"Sheehan recently said she was leaving the Democratic Party because it "caved" into the president."

She is not "in bed" with any one party. She is a woman on a mission and I support her.

Gary Carter

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

How do you know what the average american supports? How do you know they don't support her?

the average american doesnt like this war. poll numbers showed that before she got buddy buddy with moore and the far left, people supported her and then after she did get buddy buddy with them, they went down in numbers.

Abookamongstthemany

aNiMaL wrote:

And if anyone is questioning her motives:

"Sheehan recently said she was leaving the Democratic Party because it "caved" into the president."

She is not "in bed" with any one party. She is a woman on a mission and I support her.

Exactly!

Abookamongstthemany

metsfan531941 wrote:

the average american doesnt like this war. poll numbers showed that before she got buddy buddy with moore and the far left, people supported her and then after she did get buddy buddy with them, they went down in numbers.

I'd like to see these polls. I've never seen them before. Polls from which media outlets?

aNiMaL

metsfan531941 wrote:

oh for the love of fucking christ, cant you people read what i fucking wrote. I SAID I AGREED WITH HER AND RESPECTED HER, god its like talking to a fucking brickwall with you people

You agreeing and respecting her has nothing to do with the question you asked and that I gave my 2 cents on.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

Gary Carter

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I'd like to see these polls. I've never seen them before. Polls from which media outlets?

msnbc and cnn, i saw them on tv when cindy sheehan was the hot story in the news, that was like months ago.

Gary Carter

aNiMaL wrote:

You agreeing and respecting her has nothing to do with the question you asked and that I gave my 2 cents on.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

sure it does, you said dont put her down, did you not say those words in your post. and i said i agreed with her and respected her