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  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    blueandwhite wrote:
    Who's your employer supposed to be loyal to?


    that's a different discussion. but who do you think *any* employer is loyal to?


    the public is the primary loyalty however.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    blueandwhite wrote:
    Who's your employer supposed to be loyal to?
    Corporations have a legal, fiduciary duty to their stockholders. Government run business, like healthcare in Canada, should have a duty to the people who are in essence the stockholders.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    exhausted wrote:
    that's a different discussion. but who do you think *any* employer is loyal to?


    the public is the primary loyalty however.

    It should be and that is what my code of ethics I swore to states at least therefore my allegiance is to the public and not the corporation...public first, company second
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    It should be and that is what my code of ethics I swore to states at least therefore my allegiance is to the public and not the corporation...public first, company second

    i think the whole collective bargaining thing for engineers is a bit of a grey area depending on the province. but it's been a while for me so i can't remember exactly.

    hell, i get time and a half so it's all good.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    exhausted wrote:
    i think the whole collective bargaining thing for engineers is a bit of a grey area depending on the province. but it's been a while for me so i can't remember exactly.

    hell, i get time and a half so it's all good.

    lol...I need a new company....
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    lol...I need a new company....


    yeah, the owner/operator side isn't everything it's made out to be. my stint there was short lived. i hated it.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Thats total BS that unions help only the lazy.....there are lazy workers regardless of their affliations....sometimes they are needed and sometimes they are not....
    First of all, thats off topic, but once your unionized everything goes via seniority, so if you do a good job, but don't have the seniority you will not get the job, but that lazy person might, then you'll see what I'm talking about.

    Both my wife and I work in a unionized shop, both work hard, progress is impeded because of seniority, so sad, too bad, thats life, we deal with. Life's not fair, but if a person is lousy at his job or just doesn't care or is lazy then the employer should be able to fire that person without the union filing grievance after grevience and having the employer give in just to avoid costly expences.

    As far as I, concerned the union job is to improve my wages, benefits, make sure our work envirement is safe and things along that line. If someone's not doing thier job the employer should be able to tell them that and if he coninues to not do the job. BYE BYE.
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  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    surferdude wrote:
    Corporations have a legal, fiduciary duty to their stockholders. Government run business, like healthcare in Canada, should have a duty to the people who are in essence the stockholders.



    And what of sole proprietors? They are responsible only to themselves. The only restrictions placed upon them are legislative, and more often than not it can be beneficial to ignore those responsibilites. Heck, in most small business corporations, the shareholders also hold executive positions, making them accountable to essentially nobody.

    What I'm getting at is; who protects the interests of workers where legislative measures fail? Increasingly, companies are making extensive use of temporary or 'part-time' workers simply because they are not afforded the same legislative benefits as full-timers.

    Unions are far from perfect (many of them are just as bad or worse than a crooked employer), but they do serve a valid purpose.

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