Obama & Oprah

RolandTD20Kdrummer

cornnifer wrote:

No. As a matter of fact i don't think its a fucking "perk". What if i said i thought the only problem you had with Barack was the fact that he was Black. What if i thought that the only problem you had with Oprah is that she is an extremely wealthy Black American? Would i be out of line? i certainly hope so. Persoanally, i don't care who Oprah endorses. My personal endorsement of Barack Obama has absolutely nothing to do with Oprah. Nor does it have to do with any other "expert". i personally like to *gasp* make up my own mind. Point is your coments about Oprah endorisng Obama because he is a Black candidate are, simply put, fucking ridiculous. Why was Blackness not a "perk" for Al Sharpton? Why was it not a "perk" for Alan Keyes? i didn't see Oprah rallying behind either of those candidates. If anyone is naive...

Why does Oprah choose to eat what she eats for lunch on any given day?...who the fuck knows. Why does Oprah give two shits about politics and Barack Obama all the sudden.. I'd guess the war for starters.

What I do know is that it's human nature for people to promote other people that have similarities to themselves. Race is a rather striking similarity at a very root level....unless you want to spite the laws of human nature for sake of trying to be right about something.

When I see something I see it clearly for what it is, without all common distractions that catch the vast majority of people.

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The key word is clueless, and that she is. She's a talk show host not a political or economical analyst. I'll trust the full time professionals in those realms over Oprah on this one any day...

Dare I ask what you do for a living Roland? With the way you shove Ron Paul down everyones throats here, you too should be a "political or economical analyst" before we listen to anything you say.

You think we're all so naive to the political process because we support a mainstream candidate, but maybe you're the one who is naive in thinking that any upper tier candidate is "just in it to help their buddies" like I've seen you post dozens of times...yet you have no clear case on Obama. Would you with Bush and the no bid contracts for Halliburton? Yes. You have nothing to back up your claims though.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

Dare I ask what you do for a living Roland? With the way you shove Ron Paul down everyones throats here, you too should be a "political or economical analyst" before we listen to anything you say.

You think we're all so naive to the political process because we support a mainstream candidate, but maybe you're the one who is naive in thinking that any upper tier candidate is "just in it to help their buddies" like I've seen you post dozens of times...yet you have no clear case on Obama. Would you with Bush and the no bid contracts for Halliburton? Yes. You have nothing to back up your claims though.

This aint the Oprah show, and I'm not Eddie Vedder either if you know what I mean.

Don't listen if you don't want, but Hollywood is not exactly the answer to America's problems and politics to put it lightly. When I see a messed up situation, I call it. Look up how the economy works for yourself. With what's going on lately, you would be wise to, and it's not rocket science. Look up the Federal reserve also sometime to see what they do for you. Check out who owns the media and what the CFR does for shaping your thoughts and reality after that (and the members therein).

Then step back and say wtf!?! like a lot of other people in the know are.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

the sad part....

how many millions of people will vote for this guy.....

because oprah fucking winfrey tells them to????

QuarterToTen

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

the sad part....

how many millions of people will vote for this guy.....

because oprah fucking winfrey tells them to????

far too many unfortunately.

she has brainwashed an entire demographic for years
with her self-serving bullshit.

i laughed out loud when i saw her speaking on his behalf.

cornnifer

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

the sad part....

how many millions of people will vote for this guy.....

because oprah fucking winfrey tells them to????

Millions? i'm not so sure about that. How many people on this board voted for Ralph Nader because a certain celebrity encouraged them to?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

cornnifer wrote:

Millions? i'm not so sure about that. How many people on this board voted for Ralph Nader because a certain celebrity encouraged them to?

im gonna guess there are at least a million people in the U.S.A who would vote for this guy because Oprah told them to....

well i bet there were a ton of people in Florida who voted for Nader because Mr. Vedder told them to......

and Mr. Bush has been giggling and laughing ever since....

floyd1975

I'm holding out until Carrot Top endorses someone.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

floyd1975 wrote:

I'm holding out until Carrot Top endorses someone.

hehehehehehehehehe...............

cornnifer

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

im gonna guess there are at least a million people in the U.S.A who would vote for this guy because Oprah told them to....

well i bet there were a ton of people in Florida who voted for Nader because Mr. Vedder told them to......

and Mr. Bush has been giggling and laughing ever since....

Florida and elsewhere. Thats kinda my point. Many of these are the same ones here bitching about Oprah Winfrey voicing support for Obama because of her potential influence on certain voters. Hmmm...

Besides, i still question the millions. Generally,the celebrity endorsement means very little. Remember the VFC tour (i do. The Fox Theater in St. Louis was absolutey breathtaking), now that really worked! :rolleyes: There was some pretty influential artists taking part in that.
i realize Oprah is a unique kind of celebrity, but still think she is at best a neutralizer. Hilary is counting on the female vote and Oprah controls some influence over women. Millions of people voting based on Oprah's endorsement though? Doubtful. Hilary and her camp need to worry more about not putting her metaphorical foot in her big metaphorical mouth anymore, worry bout getting people to actually like and trust her, and stop bitching about who Obama has endorsing him.

ledvedderman

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

the sad part....

how many millions of people will vote for this guy.....

because oprah fucking winfrey tells them to????

How many people will support a guy like Rudy based only on the fact that Pat Robertson gave him his support? I'm guessing way more than will vote for Obama because of Oprah.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

This vid does noting to instill any amount of confidence in Grand ol Opry.

You're either right or wrong...what's with the "oh well...shucks" flip flop...doh! mentality at the very end?

jeffbr

ledvedderman wrote:

How many people will support a guy like Rudy based only on the fact that Pat Robertson gave him his support? I'm guessing way more than will vote for Obama because of Oprah.

I wonder about that. I think Robertson's most influential times are behind him. He really headed a powerful (unfortunately) movement in the 80's and kept it rolling in the 90's. But if he was as powerful as he used to be he'd be able to take someone like Brownback or Huckabee all the way. Now, he's looking for the most likely nominee, even if that nominee completely goes against many of his core values, and is hitching on to that campaign to make himself appear relevant.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Talk like this leaves the mainstream candidates in the dust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlPT4bncq8

Actual topics of substance, instead of generic and vague "catch phrase" lip service.

Two Birds

Maybe with Opra's backing at least more Americans will get out there and vote.

Thecure

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The key word is clueless, and that she is. She's a talk show host not a political or economical analyst. I'll trust the full time professionals in those realms over Oprah on this one any day...

so whom do you consider a full time professional. let me guess, someone who will say the same thing you say or believe?

floyd1975

Two Birds wrote:

Maybe with Opra's backing at least more Americans will get out there and vote.

Is more Americans voting really a good thing if they aren't really interested in what they are voting on?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Thecure wrote:

so whom do you consider a full time professional. let me guess, someone who will say the same thing you say or believe?

What actually makes sense on paper. Facts, figures and calculations by world leading economists. Those will do for starters.

Dude it's become economics 101 at the most basic level in the US.

Thecure

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Talk like this leaves the mainstream candidates in the dust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlPT4bncq8

Actual topics of substance, instead of generic and vague "catch phrase" lip service.

this was a nice show, but no real substance. it was all catch phrases. he does not say anything abotu how he would do this. sucstances i sdiscussing not what you want but how you are going to do it. show me where he said anything abotu how he will do it.

Thecure

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What actually makes sense on paper. Facts, figures and calculations by world leading economists. Those will do for starters.

Dude it's become economics 101 at the most basic level in the US.

and what about political experts? what are those. you mentioned both.