armys in self defence have done much worse than israel are doing.
israel is wiping out hezbella who are situated in lebanon calling israel a terrorist is just a way to try and make israel agree to not fight back and just exept a slow suiside
what is baffeling is that lebanon allows hezbala to hide in its population centers knowing full well that any retaliatory strike from israel will meen cassultys.
but from the tone of your posts it seems i am talking to someone who is iratianal, not much point then is there
I never suggested that Israel should sit back and do nothing but I cannot equate the capture of two Israeli soldiers as the justification of Israel's all out assult on both terroists and civillians alike. Israel is only too eager to throw its miltary force around without regard for the consequences- much like the US.
A. A country defending itself is not the same as an occuppation army defending it's brutal, illegal occupation. Were the Germans defending themselves in occupied France? Yes they were. So were the French resistance terrorists? Yes they were, in the eyes of Germany.
B. I have never condoned the killing of Israeli civilians. However, Israel is a rich country with a powerful military force, and has the full, unconditional support of the U.S. Palestinians in Gaza right now have no water, food or electricity. Israeli casualties since the intifada in 2000 are approx 1000. Palestinian casualties have reached approx 5000. Do you see the difference?
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israel is not an occuping force
in deffending her self from the attempt of 6 arrab armies in 1967, israel won the DISPUTED TEERRITORIES, NOT FROM A NON EXISTANT STATE OF PALASTINE but from jorden and egypt who had illegally annexed these areas in thire agressive war against the reborn state of israel. the situation between germany and france is not remotlly the same.
The palstinans in gaza , before the israeli govenment expelled the jew who where living in gaza the arabs where shelling them constantlly, israel did nothing
now the jews have left and the arabs just moved into those areas and used them as launching pads for more rockets, they brought thire suffering on themselves
the arabs need to learn that there is price to be paid for thire actions
the amount of cassualtys on both side are bad true, but if the terorist didnt hide in populated areas then there wouldt be so many arab casultys
if they stoped there rockets and suiside bombing, than istaen would not need to retaliate
there is no moral equivalance between a contry deffendin its citizens acting in self deffence,on the one hand, and on the other hand you have terrorist who intentianlly kill and aim at civilians
the arabs must pay the cosiquenses for thire own dispicable actions
israel doesnot deliberatly target inocent civilians but you se the terrorist groups, they deliberatlly launch thire missile from the midst ofv heavely populated areas so that anny strike from israel will kill lots of people and then they can play the victim, lebanon isnt as pure as you like to paint them, if they were not helping the enemys of israel, by letting hezbella use thire contry as a launching pad for missiles then they would not have been targeted if that meen attacking a contry that aids and abbets terrorist
i understand that civillians on both sides need protecting but israels main priority is for her own civilians. if that meen attacking a country that aids and abets terrorist then so be it.
Israel attacks an airpost, the seaports, and power plants those are all civilian targets. You have hospitals without power now because of the damage done to the power grid. Israel intentionally attacked civilians targets in Beirut. Secondly Lebanon does not aid and abet Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an independent organization within Lebanon's borders such as Al Qaida is within Pakistan's, Saudi Arabia's, and/or Egypt's borders. Should the US have bombed Yemen after the attack on the USS Cole simply becausethe terrorist where operating inside of Yemen. So if Al Qaida carries out another attack on the US we should bomb Pakistan simply because they are operating within their borders. Or maybe bomb Saudi Arabia because they still have mahdras which teach students to hate the US. The Lebanese government and it's people had no hand in the events that ked up to and including the kidnapping of the two soldeirs. They also have no hand in the missle attacks on Israel. Israel has everyright to protectitself but not to invade another nation that has not threatened her.
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Israel attacks an airpost, the seaports, and power plants those are all civilian targets. You have hospitals without power now because of the damage done to the power grid. Israel intentionally attacked civilians targets in Beirut. Secondly Lebanon does not aid and abet Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an independent organization within Lebanon's borders such as Al Qaida is within Pakistan's, Saudi Arabia's, and/or Egypt's borders. Should the US have bombed Yemen after the attack on the USS Cole simply becausethe terrorist where operating inside of Yemen. So if Al Qaida carries out another attack on the US we should bomb Pakistan simply because they are operating within their borders. Or maybe bomb Saudi Arabia because they still have mahdras which teach students to hate the US. The Lebanese government and it's people had no hand in the events that ked up to and including the kidnapping of the two soldeirs. They also have no hand in the missle attacks on Israel. Israel has everyright to protectitself but not to invade another nation that has not threatened her.
come on, man...an israeli official already took care of this...these civilians, hospitals and schools w/o power and what not...they can get generators!
isn't it funny israel probably had more to do w/ arming hezbollah than lebanon did?
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It's interesting to know that there are not just hundreds of 'leftists' protesting Israeli military terror in the Middle East, but that thousands of Jews are also protesting:
Privately, figures in what is known as the Jewish "establishment" have been aghast at right-wing American support for Israel and the campaigns of bombarding dissenting journalists with abusive e-mails. "If you want to characterise British Jewry, as opposed to the American Jewish community," sources say, "it has tended to support those Israeli governments that have made moves towards peace. The natural inclination here is to vote Tory in Britain and support Labour governments in Israel. People know where they want to get to. The South African Jewish community was far less ready to move with the times and US rabbis have been part of [right-wing] demonstrations against Israeli governments. It's not a coincidence that most of the hard-line Gush Eminem [settler] movement speaks with an American accent."
While at least two members of the Board of Deputies are known to have signed the Times advertisement, for many Jews on the left, the board's refusal to engage critically with Israeli government policy has given rise to a "not-in-my-name" movement. Jews for Justice for Palestinians was founded in 2002 by Irene Bruegel, Professor of Urban Policy at South Bank University. It is currently chaired by her partner Richard Kuper, a founder of the left-wing publishing house Pluto Press. She had been a member of Women in Black, a women's peace organisation originally founded in Israel in 1988 in response to the occupation, but which now considers itself to be an international movement. In 2001, she took part in a visit to Israel and the West Bank, out of which the International Solidarity Movement was born
come on, man...an israeli official already took care of this...these civilians, hospitals and schools w/o power and what not...they can get generators!
isn't it funny israel probably had more to do w/ arming hezbollah than lebanon did?
I've been saying this since this whole recent cluster fuck started that Israel is playing right into Hezbollah's hands. Hezbollah knew exactly how Israel would respond (all they had to do was watch how Israel dealt with Hamas and Gaza after the first troop was kidnapped). They knew Israel would go balls to the wall and start bombing the shit out of Lebanon. Israel has basically turned a peacefull neighbor, with good ties to the west, into a potential enemy. Score one for Hezbollah. The Israeli government could have pulled of a dumber move. Had they limited their response to strategical strikes against Hezbollah positions in Southern Lebanon and/or worked with the Lebanese government in securing the rescue of their troops this whole fucking mess could have been averted. Insteadthey had to take a page out of the USforeign policy handbook and resort to this fucking John Wayne cowboy shoot first don't bother asking questions approach that will accomplish nothing positive.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
isn't it funny israel probably had more to do w/ arming hezbollah than lebanon did?
actually hezbollah get a lot of their arms from iran. and hezbollah working within lebanon is doing so with an agenda specific to that country. which is why whether syria has any influence over them within lebanon is so contentious.
and thank goodness not everyone is as armed to the teeth as israel. otherwise israel may have ceased to exist this week. oh but then again if the two sides were duly matched then israel like their mentor, who chooses their targets very careful, though still not with much thought, would have thought before using such force.
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actually hezbollah get a lot of their arms from iran. and hezbollah working within lebanon is doing so with an agenda specific to that country. which is why whether syria has any influence over them within lebanon is so contentious.
and thank goodness not everyone is as armed to the teeth as israel. otherwise israel may have ceased to exist this week. oh but then again if the two sides were duly matched then israel like their mentor, who chooses their targets very careful, though still not with much thought, would have thought before using such force.
i know they got a lot from Iran...when reagan was president they sold over 2,000 TOW missiles to Iran (as well as other weaponry) and Israel was the middle man in the deal.
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I never suggested that Israel should sit back and do nothing but I cannot equate the capture of two Israeli soldiers as the justification of Israel's all out assult on both terroists and civillians alike. Israel is only too eager to throw its miltary force around without regard for the consequences- much like the US.
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israel is not an occuping force
in deffending her self from the attempt of 6 arrab armies in 1967, israel won the DISPUTED TEERRITORIES, NOT FROM A NON EXISTANT STATE OF PALASTINE but from jorden and egypt who had illegally annexed these areas in thire agressive war against the reborn state of israel. the situation between germany and france is not remotlly the same.
The palstinans in gaza , before the israeli govenment expelled the jew who where living in gaza the arabs where shelling them constantlly, israel did nothing
now the jews have left and the arabs just moved into those areas and used them as launching pads for more rockets, they brought thire suffering on themselves
the arabs need to learn that there is price to be paid for thire actions
the amount of cassualtys on both side are bad true, but if the terorist didnt hide in populated areas then there wouldt be so many arab casultys
if they stoped there rockets and suiside bombing, than istaen would not need to retaliate
there is no moral equivalance between a contry deffendin its citizens acting in self deffence,on the one hand, and on the other hand you have terrorist who intentianlly kill and aim at civilians
the arabs must pay the cosiquenses for thire own dispicable actions
Israel attacks an airpost, the seaports, and power plants those are all civilian targets. You have hospitals without power now because of the damage done to the power grid. Israel intentionally attacked civilians targets in Beirut. Secondly Lebanon does not aid and abet Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an independent organization within Lebanon's borders such as Al Qaida is within Pakistan's, Saudi Arabia's, and/or Egypt's borders. Should the US have bombed Yemen after the attack on the USS Cole simply becausethe terrorist where operating inside of Yemen. So if Al Qaida carries out another attack on the US we should bomb Pakistan simply because they are operating within their borders. Or maybe bomb Saudi Arabia because they still have mahdras which teach students to hate the US. The Lebanese government and it's people had no hand in the events that ked up to and including the kidnapping of the two soldeirs. They also have no hand in the missle attacks on Israel. Israel has everyright to protectitself but not to invade another nation that has not threatened her.
come on, man...an israeli official already took care of this...these civilians, hospitals and schools w/o power and what not...they can get generators!
isn't it funny israel probably had more to do w/ arming hezbollah than lebanon did?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It's interesting to know that there are not just hundreds of 'leftists' protesting Israeli military terror in the Middle East, but that thousands of Jews are also protesting:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article1183428.ece
Privately, figures in what is known as the Jewish "establishment" have been aghast at right-wing American support for Israel and the campaigns of bombarding dissenting journalists with abusive e-mails. "If you want to characterise British Jewry, as opposed to the American Jewish community," sources say, "it has tended to support those Israeli governments that have made moves towards peace. The natural inclination here is to vote Tory in Britain and support Labour governments in Israel. People know where they want to get to. The South African Jewish community was far less ready to move with the times and US rabbis have been part of [right-wing] demonstrations against Israeli governments. It's not a coincidence that most of the hard-line Gush Eminem [settler] movement speaks with an American accent."
While at least two members of the Board of Deputies are known to have signed the Times advertisement, for many Jews on the left, the board's refusal to engage critically with Israeli government policy has given rise to a "not-in-my-name" movement. Jews for Justice for Palestinians was founded in 2002 by Irene Bruegel, Professor of Urban Policy at South Bank University. It is currently chaired by her partner Richard Kuper, a founder of the left-wing publishing house Pluto Press. She had been a member of Women in Black, a women's peace organisation originally founded in Israel in 1988 in response to the occupation, but which now considers itself to be an international movement. In 2001, she took part in a visit to Israel and the West Bank, out of which the International Solidarity Movement was born
I've been saying this since this whole recent cluster fuck started that Israel is playing right into Hezbollah's hands. Hezbollah knew exactly how Israel would respond (all they had to do was watch how Israel dealt with Hamas and Gaza after the first troop was kidnapped). They knew Israel would go balls to the wall and start bombing the shit out of Lebanon. Israel has basically turned a peacefull neighbor, with good ties to the west, into a potential enemy. Score one for Hezbollah. The Israeli government could have pulled of a dumber move. Had they limited their response to strategical strikes against Hezbollah positions in Southern Lebanon and/or worked with the Lebanese government in securing the rescue of their troops this whole fucking mess could have been averted. Insteadthey had to take a page out of the USforeign policy handbook and resort to this fucking John Wayne cowboy shoot first don't bother asking questions approach that will accomplish nothing positive.
actually hezbollah get a lot of their arms from iran. and hezbollah working within lebanon is doing so with an agenda specific to that country. which is why whether syria has any influence over them within lebanon is so contentious.
and thank goodness not everyone is as armed to the teeth as israel. otherwise israel may have ceased to exist this week. oh but then again if the two sides were duly matched then israel like their mentor, who chooses their targets very careful, though still not with much thought, would have thought before using such force.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i know they got a lot from Iran...when reagan was president they sold over 2,000 TOW missiles to Iran (as well as other weaponry) and Israel was the middle man in the deal.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way