And if you look to ilicit reactions, you do a darn good job. Now from your tone (on another thread - now closed) I imagine Uncle Ted isn't someone I'd agree with. Yet I'm sort of on his side fro the get go since I bet on a horse last weekend named Uncle Ted that ran a glorious race!
Here's an another article by a "..leftist protesting Israel defending itself". It is written by a Jewish Rabbi and a lot of you may find what he has to say about the Israeli government surprising:
Byrnzie, please do not use Michael Lerner as a representative of rabbis or Jews. His political agenda is decidedly anti-Israel. Mr. Lerner is about as representative of Jewish clergy as Pat Robertson is of Christian clergy.
I'm sure there are also plenty of Israeli's who are also protesting the crimes of their government and military. For example, the Israeli government is currently in breach of over 60 U.N resolutions.
Here's an example: An essay on the conflict by a Rabbi:
Hezbollah was launched in 2000 after Israel captured and continued to occupy a portion of southern Lebanon. The Hezbollah effectively drove Israeli troops out of Lebanon. However Israel has continued violence towards Lebanon. Hezbollah is not supported by Iran or Syria and very few Lebonese condone them either. It is possible that Iran or Syria may provide some funding to Hezbollah, however Hezbollah is autonomous and they are acting on (what they believe) is to preserve Lebonese territory and sovereignty. Their methods are not agreeable, however their purpose clearly is.
Attacking Beirut is a major attack on Lebonese civilians. Virtually all roads and passages to other cities and other countries flow through Beirut. What Israel has done is shut down transportation for civilians, hindering aid and retreat for people in southern Lebanon. Many people are referring to it as "disproportional" which I would agree to.
Capturing a couple of Israeli soldiers is not a major attack on Israel. Israel currently has 10,000 palestinians in their jails. Which is no different, except many are women and children.
Anyone with a solid understanding of this conflict could not support Israel. This is not a defense operation, this is an offensive one. 200 Lebonese dead, mostly civilians with 25 Israelis dead, half civilians. 8 Canadians have been killed in Lebanon. Personally Lebonese, Israeli, Canadian or American, they are all the same to me, they are all people that are victims of unlawful and irrational retaliation.
As a footnote, Semitism describes both Jews and Muslims, speaking Hebrew or Arabic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's a slightly broad sweeping statement isn't it? So you say that all protesters of the Israeli government, and the Israeli military's crimes don't mind when Israeli civilians are killed? People like you are very good at making broad sweeping statements which have no basis in reality and with no reference to the facts. I personally believe that neither Israeli's or Palestinians should be getting killed as a consequence of the crimes of the Israeli and U.S governments, who are guilty of perpetuating this situation in defiance of world opinion, and in breach of international law. All right thinking Israeli's who care about the security and the future of their country should also be protesting against the actions of their government. Plenty of them are but we hardly ever hear about this in the Western media.
the israeli government and militery are not commiting crimes by defending themselves.people like you are very good at talking absolute crap,
firstly the arabs have brought this one, on themselves, there is a price to be paid fore firing rockets at israel for kidnapping israli solders
secondly why should israel and the united states worship public opinion
who said that the publics opinion is right
all right thinking israeli's should support the right wing partys of israel who would solve this problem once and for all, they would chuck the arabs out, they whant land for peace, sure get off our land and we will give them peace.
I keep hearing about Israel's right to self defense, what about Lebanon's rights. Last I checked Hizbollah was a terrorist organization supported bt Syria and Iran, not Lebanon. While I support Israel's right to exist and self defense I also support the same right for Lebanon and it's citizens. Do the innocent Lebanese citizens & the Lebanese government who had no hand in Hizbollah's actions not count? Do they not deserve the same rights afforded to Israel?
I'm also getting a little sick and tired of this "leftist" bullshit. Is protesting the killing of innocent civilians wrong? Are some of you so consumed by hatred that it doesn't matter who gets killed as long as it's us and our friends doing the killing it's all all OK.
it is always sad when inocent civillians who ever they might be get killed
but this is awar, people die in wars, that is the nature of war
the problem with the leftists is they are hyppocrits, they make a big protest only when the neo pals get hurt, when israeli's get hurt, no one gives a fuck,
it would be my fondest hope the no one get killed and that peace would reign in the midle east, but the reality israel face is fight or die, we didnt ask for this war but we cant afford to loose it.
it is always sad when inocent civillians who ever they might be get killed
but this is awar, people die in wars, that is the nature of war
the problem with the leftists is they are hyppocrits, they make a big protest only when the neo pals get hurt, when israeli's get hurt, no one gives a fuck,
it would be my fondest hope the no one get killed and that peace would reign in the midle east, but the reality israel face is fight or die, we didnt ask for this war but we cant afford to loose it.
Well I hope you realize your logic can go both ways like mammasan was orginally saying...anyway lets hope the bloodshed will stop sooner than later....
the israeli government and militery are not commiting crimes by defending themselves.people like you are very good at talking absolute crap,
firstly the arabs have brought this one, on themselves, there is a price to be paid fore firing rockets at israel for kidnapping israli solders
secondly why should israel and the united states worship public opinion
who said that the publics opinion is right
all right thinking israeli's should support the right wing partys of israel who would solve this problem once and for all, they would chuck the arabs out, they whant land for peace, sure get off our land and we will give them peace.
As I understood democracy, it's about varrying opinions debating issues to meet somewhere in the middle or come to a mority agreement. Not just dismissing public opinion (whom the government represents) for their own conclusions.
Some of the things you said about Israeli land is heavily slanted towards Israel being a long-standing nation. Israel didn't exist 100 years ago, it's actually quite new and Israel's land is Palestinian land. That's who they stole it from. See, now you are beginning to understand the conflict. Hopefully.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Some of the things you said about Israeli land is heavily slanted towards Israel being a long-standing nation. Israel didn't exist 100 years ago, it's actually quite new and Israel's land is Palestinian land. That's who they stole it from. See, now you are beginning to understand the conflict. Hopefully.
See the palestinians use israel as their scape goat..they cant control their people, their too stupid to do that. They cant even have a functioning economy. SO when shit goes wrong who do they blame? Not themselves but israel. Which is why leftists love to support the palestinians, because just liek palestinians they cant take any blame for their actions.
AMerica and ISrael will never allow palestinians to control the holy land and i hope its kept that way
See the palestinians use israel as their scape goat..they cant control their people, their too stupid to do that. They cant even have a functioning economy. SO when shit goes wrong who do they blame? Not themselves but israel. Which is why leftists love to support the palestinians, because just liek palestinians they cant take any blame for their actions.
AMerica and ISrael will never allow palestinians to control the holy land and i hope its kept that way
That's a pretty racist opinion, IMO. I can't actually grant you any credability in my mind. I don't think you have the slightest idea.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
it is always sad when inocent civillians who ever they might be get killed
but this is awar, people die in wars, that is the nature of war
the problem with the leftists is they are hyppocrits, they make a big protest only when the neo pals get hurt, when israeli's get hurt, no one gives a fuck,
it would be my fondest hope the no one get killed and that peace would reign in the midle east, but the reality israel face is fight or die, we didnt ask for this war but we cant afford to loose it.
You are right about one thing this is war but the war is between Israel and militant organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas. So why then is Israel bombing civilian targets in Lebanon? I can understand them bombing Hezbollah targets in Southern Lebanon, but civilian targets in Beirut and elsewhere across the country? Don't the people of Lebanon and the Lebanese government deserve the right to exist. Also again with the leftist. Why do I continue to hear this leftist bullshit. I just wish everyone would quit using that term and stating that leftist have a baised toward Israel. It's such a spoon fed partisan piece of crap. It's what a completely ignorant individual would say, and I would hate to think that you are such a person. I'm probabaly considered a leftist and I believe that Israel has the right to exist as well as defend it's borders and citizens, but what Israel is doing in Lebanon goes far beyond defending themselves. They are in fact carrying out a campaign of terror against a country and a people who have done them no wrong. I know I have stated this before but did you ever stop to think that this is exactly what Hezbollah wanted and Israel is playing right into their hands. After seeing what Israel did and is still doing in Gaza after the first soldier was kidnapped by Hamas they figured that Israel would respond the same and wage all out war on Lebanon. What was a nation that had tired of Syria and Hezbollah and was willing to live peacefully with Israel is now a nation of potential recruits.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
the israeli government and militery are not commiting crimes by defending themselves.people like you are very good at talking absolute crap,
firstly the arabs have brought this one, on themselves, there is a price to be paid fore firing rockets at israel for kidnapping israli solders
secondly why should israel and the united states worship public opinion
who said that the publics opinion is right
all right thinking israeli's should support the right wing partys of israel who would solve this problem once and for all, they would chuck the arabs out, they whant land for peace, sure get off our land and we will give them peace.
Right,so the arabs have brought this upon themselves? Israel has done nothing over the past month to provoke this?
Under the pretext of forcing the release of a single soldier "kidnapped by terrorists" (or, if you prefer, "captured by the resistance"), Israel has done the following: seized members of a democratically elected government; bombed its interior ministry, the prime minister's offices, and a school; threatened another sovereign state (Syria) with a menacing overflight; dropped leaflets from the air, warning of harm to the civilian population if it does not "follow all orders of the IDF" (Israel Defense Forces); loosed nocturnal "sound bombs" under orders from the Israeli prime minister to "make sure no one sleeps at night in Gaza"; fired missiles into residential areas, killing children; and demolished a power station that was the sole generator of electricity and running water for hundreds of thousands of Gazans.
So you believe that military dictatorships are the way forward?
And you believe that 'Israel should ..chuck the Arabs out"? So you also believe in comitting genocide?
Interesting. These beliefs are no different from the beliefs of the Nazis.
So you believe that military dictatorships are the way forward?
And you believe that the 'Israel should ..chuck the Arabs out"? So you also believe in comitting genocide?
Interesting. These beliefs are no different from the beliefs of the Nazis.
You've been debating with blatant racists. You'd be just as productive banging your head against a wall, mate. The level of ignorance and pure hatred has shown through on this thread time and again. There is no shame or humanity for some.
some might say the same thing about all those who unconditionlly support every move the arabs that call them selves palastinians make.
Which I haven't seen anyone here do. Proper thinking people can judge individual events and not just toss out the racist blanket every single time. There are Justified responses to an action and then there's what Israel did. From your posts the only thing you make clear is that you want Arabs punished, "cucked out" whatever regardless of at what cost or for what reason. If that's not racist, I don't know what is.
As I understood democracy, it's about varrying opinions debating issues to meet somewhere in the middle or come to a mority agreement. Not just dismissing public opinion (whom the government represents) for their own conclusions.
Some of the things you said about Israeli land is heavily slanted towards Israel being a long-standing nation. Israel didn't exist 100 years ago, it's actually quite new and Israel's land is Palestinian land. That's who they stole it from. See, now you are beginning to understand the conflict. Hopefully.
firstly if you whant to talk of countrys that didnt exist 100 years ago, lets talk about jorden, it was originally a part of what the british callec mandated palastine, there was no nation thire, at the time, and i challange you to tell me if you believe that the arabs had a nation sta\te thire before israel Reclaimed its homeland, tell me who where the what was thire currency who where there prime ministers, can any palastinian arab produse a pass port from the natian of palastine, you cant and the reason is simple THERE NEVER WAS A PALASTINE thire has only been one nation that had a proper nation thire and that is israel , you hant to talk about stealing, the romans stole it from the jews and the arabs stole it from them, we the jewish people have just reclaimed what was originally ours. now back to jorden it also didnt exist 100 years ago , the british illeagally, gave it to the palstinian arabs for a state
the name palastine was given by the romans as a punishment to the jews who lived in israel under romen rule,they rebbeld so rome named thire holly land after there enemy, thire never was a palastine
now about democracy, suppose 86% of a democracy votes to kill the other 14% ? thats what happens in germany,
public oppinian has become the idolitry of today.
democracy also stands for free speach, thire was a right wing radio station arutz sheva, it dosnt broadcast on the radio any more becouse the left wingers in israel had them shut down, the only way you can here them now is on the web
several of my freinds disagree'd with the expultion of jews from thire homes in gaza
they started selling orange ribbons as a sign of protest, for that the israeli government arrested them, the only acceptable oppinian is the leftist one wich stifles every attempt at getting the truth out
the media are leftist, that is the news the avrage israeli will here.
democratic majoritys only are legitimate, if free speach is honered.
You are right about one thing this is war but the war is between Israel and militant organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas. So why then is Israel bombing civilian targets in Lebanon? I can understand them bombing Hezbollah targets in Southern Lebanon, but civilian targets in Beirut and elsewhere across the country? Don't the people of Lebanon and the Lebanese government deserve the right to exist. Also again with the leftist. Why do I continue to hear this leftist bullshit. I just wish everyone would quit using that term and stating that leftist have a baised toward Israel. It's such a spoon fed partisan piece of crap. It's what a completely ignorant individual would say, and I would hate to think that you are such a person. I'm probabaly considered a leftist and I believe that Israel has the right to exist as well as defend it's borders and citizens, but what Israel is doing in Lebanon goes far beyond defending themselves. They are in fact carrying out a campaign of terror against a country and a people who have done them no wrong. I know I have stated this before but did you ever stop to think that this is exactly what Hezbollah wanted and Israel is playing right into their hands. After seeing what Israel did and is still doing in Gaza after the first soldier was kidnapped by Hamas they figured that Israel would respond the same and wage all out war on Lebanon. What was a nation that had tired of Syria and Hezbollah and was willing to live peacefully with Israel is now a nation of potential recruits.
israel doesnot deliberatly target inocent civilians but you se the terrorist groups, they deliberatlly launch thire missile from the midst ofv heavely populated areas so that anny strike from israel will kill lots of people and then they can play the victim, lebanon isnt as pure as you like to paint them, if they were not helping the enemys of israel, by letting hezbella use thire contry as a launching pad for missiles then they would not have been targeted if that meen attacking a contry that aids and abbets terrorist
i understand that civillians on both sides need protecting but israels main priority is for her own civilians. if that meen attacking a country that aids and abets terrorist then so be it.
Right,so the arabs have brought this upon themselves? Israel has done nothing over the past month to provoke this?
Under the pretext of forcing the release of a single soldier "kidnapped by terrorists" (or, if you prefer, "captured by the resistance"), Israel has done the following: seized members of a democratically elected government; bombed its interior ministry, the prime minister's offices, and a school; threatened another sovereign state (Syria) with a menacing overflight; dropped leaflets from the air, warning of harm to the civilian population if it does not "follow all orders of the IDF" (Israel Defense Forces); loosed nocturnal "sound bombs" under orders from the Israeli prime minister to "make sure no one sleeps at night in Gaza"; fired missiles into residential areas, killing children; and demolished a power station that was the sole generator of electricity and running water for hundreds of thousands of Gazans.
So you believe that military dictatorships are the way forward?
And you believe that the 'Israel should ..chuck the Arabs out"? So you also believe in comitting genocide?
Interesting. These beliefs are no different from the beliefs of the Nazis.
yeah over the last year israel was finally doing what the arrabs whanted, the whanted a jewfree gaza, and they got it and israrel was planing on giving them more, and what did israel get for this, katusha rockets.
the arabs kept launching misile after misile and israel did nothing, the arabs also hit a jewish school, but becouse there was no casualtys israel did nothing
but our doing nothing wax taken as a sign of weakness, and the arabs thought they would get away with it forever, well when they kid napped one of our boys they made a big mistake, you see that is an essential diffrence we value the lives of our people one israeli in trouble is a whole nation in trouble, noe lets compare this to the arrabs who launch thire rockets from heavelly populated areas, including schools and hospitals, in the hope that israel will retaliate and course lots of casualtys and then the world will say oh poor palastinians,
i believe that israel need a diffrent kind of democracy, were the jewish people are the ones that vote not the enemy with in
population transfer is not genocide, genocide is killing people, tansfering them is hardlly killing them.
you whant to talk about nazi like behavior, lets see the nazi where elected by the majority in there contry, so what hama, the nazi fondest hope was to destroy the jewish people, lets see oh yeah the hamas government whant the same thing have the same goal, now lets see the roots of hamas shull we, oh yeah haj amin al husaini springs to mind,oh yeah he was a good freind of hitler, who was it again who you said was acting like nazi's
Which I haven't seen anyone here do. Proper thinking people can judge individual events and not just toss out the racist blanket every single time. There are Justified responses to an action and then there's what Israel did. From your posts the only thing you make clear is that you want Arabs punished, "cucked out" whatever regardless of at what cost or for what reason. If that's not racist, I don't know what is.
you obvioslly have not read all the posts then
i dont whant the arabs punished, i just whant them to stop killing my people, if they whant to live in peace with us fine, but that is not what they whant
lets see who is racisist
it is okay for arabs to live in israel but if thire ever is a palastinian state it has to be jew free
take gazza, all jews out, for no other reason then them being jewish, if that is not racist i dont know what is
You've been debating with blatant racists. You'd be just as productive banging your head against a wall, mate. The level of ignorance and pure hatred has shown through on this thread time and again. There is no shame or humanity for some.
racism is being against some one foir thire skin colour, its not thire skin that bothers me
its thire killing my people that is the problem, and just to set the record straight i am not racist or against muslims, i have muslim freinds, but i love my people, and any ideology that seeks to destroy them i will oppose
what should we negotiate with terrorists? when america starts negotiating with alquaida then mabee we will negotiate with hamas
Terrorists you say? O.k, so when an Israeli f16 fires missiles into a residential apartment block killing dozens of civilians, is that not terrorism in your scheme of things?
When an Israeli soldier shoots a 9 year old child in the head for throwing stones at his armoured vehicle, is that not terrorism in your scheme of things?
What is it instead then? Self defence, I suppose?
You've been debating with blatant racists. You'd be just as productive banging your head against a wall, mate. The level of ignorance and pure hatred has shown through on this thread time and again. There is no shame or humanity for some.
Your right mate. I'm sick of listening to this bigoted, racist shit and arguing with people who believe that Israel is justified in whatever crimes it decides to commit against whatever country it chooses to terrorise. Fuck these people. I'm out of here!
I will leave these flag sucking half-wits with just one more snippet of information if they can be bothered to read it, although I am now doubting that most of these people bother to read anything that doesn't agree with their skewered, simplified, Fox news indoctrinated view of the world:
At least 13 people have been killed in the latest air strikes by Israeli warplanes in Lebanon, raising the death toll there to more than 200.
The 13, all civilians from two families, were killed in an air raid on the southern town of Aytaroun early on Tuesday, Aljazeera's correspondent in Lebanon reported, as diplomatic efforts brought no signs of an end to the week-old assault launched after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers.
The dead included nine children, the correspondent said.
Your right mate. I'm sick of listening to this bigoted, racist shit and arguing with people who believe that Israel is justified in whatever crimes it decides to commit against whatever country it chooses to terrorise. Fuck these people. I'm out of here!
I will leave these flag sucking half-wits with just one more snippet of information if they can be bothered to read it, although I am now doubting that most of these people bother to read anything that doesn't agree with their skewered, simplified, and Fox news indoctrinated view of the world:
Byrnzie dude... welcome to the moving train.... wear a crash helmet as every time you enter this forum you'll bang your head!!!
gets frustrating.... for both sides of the spectrum i'd expect
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Terrorists you say? O.k, so when an Israeli f16 fires missiles into a residential apartment block killing dozens of civilians, is that not terrorism in your scheme of things?
When an Israeli soldier shoots a 9 year old child in the head for throwing stones at his armoured vehicle, is that not terrorism in your scheme of things?
What is it instead then? Self defence, I suppose?
like i said war is war people die
lets see if the arabs didnt use there own people as human shields by launching thire misiles from civilian areas then israel would not need to bomb civilian areas
a contry defending itselfe is not the same as terorists killing inocent civilian
you whant to talk about killing children what about litle mitla pass who was a baby that was shot by a palstinian gun man, and the baby was not throwing stones.
Israel is not defending itself by acting like the terrorists themselves. Why is that so hard to see? It will solve nothing and result only in unnecessary death on both sides. It seems clear that Israel doesn't care who they bomb, civillians or terrorists anyway and to accept that behaviour from a government is just completely baffling.
a contry defending itselfe is not the same as terorists killing inocent civilian
you whant to talk about killing children what about litle mitla pass who was a baby that was shot by a palstinian gun man, and the baby was not throwing stones.
A. A country defending itself is not the same as an occuppation army defending it's brutal, illegal occupation. Were the Germans defending themselves in occupied France? Yes they were. So were the French resistance terrorists? Yes they were, in the eyes of Germany.
B. I have never condoned the killing of Israeli civilians. However, Israel is a rich country with a powerful military force, and has the full, unconditional support of the U.S. Palestinians in Gaza right now have no water, food or electricity. Israeli casualties since the intifada in 2000 are approx 1000. Palestinian casualties have reached approx 5000. Do you see the difference?
Israel is not defending itself by acting like the terrorists themselves. Why is that so hard to see? It will solve nothing and result only in unnecessary death on both sides. It seems clear that Israel doesn't care who they bomb, civillians or terrorists anyway and to accept that behaviour from a government is just completely baffling.
armys in self defence have done much worse than israel are doing.
israel is wiping out hezbella who are situated in lebanon calling israel a terrorist is just a way to try and make israel agree to not fight back and just exept a slow suiside
what is baffeling is that lebanon allows hezbala to hide in its population centers knowing full well that any retaliatory strike from israel will meen cassultys.
but from the tone of your posts it seems i am talking to someone who is iratianal, not much point then is there
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And if you look to ilicit reactions, you do a darn good job. Now from your tone (on another thread - now closed) I imagine Uncle Ted isn't someone I'd agree with. Yet I'm sort of on his side fro the get go since I bet on a horse last weekend named Uncle Ted that ran a glorious race!
Byrnzie, please do not use Michael Lerner as a representative of rabbis or Jews. His political agenda is decidedly anti-Israel. Mr. Lerner is about as representative of Jewish clergy as Pat Robertson is of Christian clergy.
un resolutions under chapter 6 are nonbinding, they refer to a negotiated settlement of disputes, israel has no negotiating partner'
Attacking Beirut is a major attack on Lebonese civilians. Virtually all roads and passages to other cities and other countries flow through Beirut. What Israel has done is shut down transportation for civilians, hindering aid and retreat for people in southern Lebanon. Many people are referring to it as "disproportional" which I would agree to.
Capturing a couple of Israeli soldiers is not a major attack on Israel. Israel currently has 10,000 palestinians in their jails. Which is no different, except many are women and children.
Anyone with a solid understanding of this conflict could not support Israel. This is not a defense operation, this is an offensive one. 200 Lebonese dead, mostly civilians with 25 Israelis dead, half civilians. 8 Canadians have been killed in Lebanon. Personally Lebonese, Israeli, Canadian or American, they are all the same to me, they are all people that are victims of unlawful and irrational retaliation.
As a footnote, Semitism describes both Jews and Muslims, speaking Hebrew or Arabic.
the israeli government and militery are not commiting crimes by defending themselves.people like you are very good at talking absolute crap,
firstly the arabs have brought this one, on themselves, there is a price to be paid fore firing rockets at israel for kidnapping israli solders
secondly why should israel and the united states worship public opinion
who said that the publics opinion is right
all right thinking israeli's should support the right wing partys of israel who would solve this problem once and for all, they would chuck the arabs out, they whant land for peace, sure get off our land and we will give them peace.
but this is awar, people die in wars, that is the nature of war
the problem with the leftists is they are hyppocrits, they make a big protest only when the neo pals get hurt, when israeli's get hurt, no one gives a fuck,
it would be my fondest hope the no one get killed and that peace would reign in the midle east, but the reality israel face is fight or die, we didnt ask for this war but we cant afford to loose it.
Well I hope you realize your logic can go both ways like mammasan was orginally saying...anyway lets hope the bloodshed will stop sooner than later....
As I understood democracy, it's about varrying opinions debating issues to meet somewhere in the middle or come to a mority agreement. Not just dismissing public opinion (whom the government represents) for their own conclusions.
Some of the things you said about Israeli land is heavily slanted towards Israel being a long-standing nation. Israel didn't exist 100 years ago, it's actually quite new and Israel's land is Palestinian land. That's who they stole it from. See, now you are beginning to understand the conflict. Hopefully.
See the palestinians use israel as their scape goat..they cant control their people, their too stupid to do that. They cant even have a functioning economy. SO when shit goes wrong who do they blame? Not themselves but israel. Which is why leftists love to support the palestinians, because just liek palestinians they cant take any blame for their actions.
AMerica and ISrael will never allow palestinians to control the holy land and i hope its kept that way
Bingo, we have a winner ...
That's a pretty racist opinion, IMO. I can't actually grant you any credability in my mind. I don't think you have the slightest idea.
You are right about one thing this is war but the war is between Israel and militant organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas. So why then is Israel bombing civilian targets in Lebanon? I can understand them bombing Hezbollah targets in Southern Lebanon, but civilian targets in Beirut and elsewhere across the country? Don't the people of Lebanon and the Lebanese government deserve the right to exist. Also again with the leftist. Why do I continue to hear this leftist bullshit. I just wish everyone would quit using that term and stating that leftist have a baised toward Israel. It's such a spoon fed partisan piece of crap. It's what a completely ignorant individual would say, and I would hate to think that you are such a person. I'm probabaly considered a leftist and I believe that Israel has the right to exist as well as defend it's borders and citizens, but what Israel is doing in Lebanon goes far beyond defending themselves. They are in fact carrying out a campaign of terror against a country and a people who have done them no wrong. I know I have stated this before but did you ever stop to think that this is exactly what Hezbollah wanted and Israel is playing right into their hands. After seeing what Israel did and is still doing in Gaza after the first soldier was kidnapped by Hamas they figured that Israel would respond the same and wage all out war on Lebanon. What was a nation that had tired of Syria and Hezbollah and was willing to live peacefully with Israel is now a nation of potential recruits.
Israel has no negotiating partner? Really? Would you care to provide evidence to support this sweeping accusation?
Right,so the arabs have brought this upon themselves? Israel has done nothing over the past month to provoke this?
Under the pretext of forcing the release of a single soldier "kidnapped by terrorists" (or, if you prefer, "captured by the resistance"), Israel has done the following: seized members of a democratically elected government; bombed its interior ministry, the prime minister's offices, and a school; threatened another sovereign state (Syria) with a menacing overflight; dropped leaflets from the air, warning of harm to the civilian population if it does not "follow all orders of the IDF" (Israel Defense Forces); loosed nocturnal "sound bombs" under orders from the Israeli prime minister to "make sure no one sleeps at night in Gaza"; fired missiles into residential areas, killing children; and demolished a power station that was the sole generator of electricity and running water for hundreds of thousands of Gazans.
So you believe that military dictatorships are the way forward?
And you believe that 'Israel should ..chuck the Arabs out"? So you also believe in comitting genocide?
Interesting. These beliefs are no different from the beliefs of the Nazis.
You've been debating with blatant racists. You'd be just as productive banging your head against a wall, mate. The level of ignorance and pure hatred has shown through on this thread time and again. There is no shame or humanity for some.
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the name palastine was given by the romans as a punishment to the jews who lived in israel under romen rule,they rebbeld so rome named thire holly land after there enemy, thire never was a palastine
now about democracy, suppose 86% of a democracy votes to kill the other 14% ? thats what happens in germany,
public oppinian has become the idolitry of today.
democracy also stands for free speach, thire was a right wing radio station arutz sheva, it dosnt broadcast on the radio any more becouse the left wingers in israel had them shut down, the only way you can here them now is on the web
several of my freinds disagree'd with the expultion of jews from thire homes in gaza
they started selling orange ribbons as a sign of protest, for that the israeli government arrested them, the only acceptable oppinian is the leftist one wich stifles every attempt at getting the truth out
the media are leftist, that is the news the avrage israeli will here.
democratic majoritys only are legitimate, if free speach is honered.
i understand that civillians on both sides need protecting but israels main priority is for her own civilians. if that meen attacking a country that aids and abets terrorist then so be it.
the arabs kept launching misile after misile and israel did nothing, the arabs also hit a jewish school, but becouse there was no casualtys israel did nothing
but our doing nothing wax taken as a sign of weakness, and the arabs thought they would get away with it forever, well when they kid napped one of our boys they made a big mistake, you see that is an essential diffrence we value the lives of our people one israeli in trouble is a whole nation in trouble, noe lets compare this to the arrabs who launch thire rockets from heavelly populated areas, including schools and hospitals, in the hope that israel will retaliate and course lots of casualtys and then the world will say oh poor palastinians,
i believe that israel need a diffrent kind of democracy, were the jewish people are the ones that vote not the enemy with in
population transfer is not genocide, genocide is killing people, tansfering them is hardlly killing them.
you whant to talk about nazi like behavior, lets see the nazi where elected by the majority in there contry, so what hama, the nazi fondest hope was to destroy the jewish people, lets see oh yeah the hamas government whant the same thing have the same goal, now lets see the roots of hamas shull we, oh yeah haj amin al husaini springs to mind,oh yeah he was a good freind of hitler, who was it again who you said was acting like nazi's
i dont whant the arabs punished, i just whant them to stop killing my people, if they whant to live in peace with us fine, but that is not what they whant
lets see who is racisist
it is okay for arabs to live in israel but if thire ever is a palastinian state it has to be jew free
take gazza, all jews out, for no other reason then them being jewish, if that is not racist i dont know what is
its thire killing my people that is the problem, and just to set the record straight i am not racist or against muslims, i have muslim freinds, but i love my people, and any ideology that seeks to destroy them i will oppose
Terrorists you say? O.k, so when an Israeli f16 fires missiles into a residential apartment block killing dozens of civilians, is that not terrorism in your scheme of things?
When an Israeli soldier shoots a 9 year old child in the head for throwing stones at his armoured vehicle, is that not terrorism in your scheme of things?
What is it instead then? Self defence, I suppose?
Your right mate. I'm sick of listening to this bigoted, racist shit and arguing with people who believe that Israel is justified in whatever crimes it decides to commit against whatever country it chooses to terrorise. Fuck these people. I'm out of here!
I will leave these flag sucking half-wits with just one more snippet of information if they can be bothered to read it, although I am now doubting that most of these people bother to read anything that doesn't agree with their skewered, simplified, Fox news indoctrinated view of the world:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10584
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0529EDB8-8164-470C-BBB8-72734692D22C.htm
At least 13 people have been killed in the latest air strikes by Israeli warplanes in Lebanon, raising the death toll there to more than 200.
The 13, all civilians from two families, were killed in an air raid on the southern town of Aytaroun early on Tuesday, Aljazeera's correspondent in Lebanon reported, as diplomatic efforts brought no signs of an end to the week-old assault launched after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers.
The dead included nine children, the correspondent said.
Byrnzie dude... welcome to the moving train.... wear a crash helmet as every time you enter this forum you'll bang your head!!!
gets frustrating.... for both sides of the spectrum i'd expect
lets see if the arabs didnt use there own people as human shields by launching thire misiles from civilian areas then israel would not need to bomb civilian areas
a contry defending itselfe is not the same as terorists killing inocent civilian
you whant to talk about killing children what about litle mitla pass who was a baby that was shot by a palstinian gun man, and the baby was not throwing stones.
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A. A country defending itself is not the same as an occuppation army defending it's brutal, illegal occupation. Were the Germans defending themselves in occupied France? Yes they were. So were the French resistance terrorists? Yes they were, in the eyes of Germany.
B. I have never condoned the killing of Israeli civilians. However, Israel is a rich country with a powerful military force, and has the full, unconditional support of the U.S. Palestinians in Gaza right now have no water, food or electricity. Israeli casualties since the intifada in 2000 are approx 1000. Palestinian casualties have reached approx 5000. Do you see the difference?
israel is wiping out hezbella who are situated in lebanon calling israel a terrorist is just a way to try and make israel agree to not fight back and just exept a slow suiside
what is baffeling is that lebanon allows hezbala to hide in its population centers knowing full well that any retaliatory strike from israel will meen cassultys.
but from the tone of your posts it seems i am talking to someone who is iratianal, not much point then is there