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1000's of leftists protest Israel defending itself..

fando y lisfando y lis Posts: 32
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276906,00.html
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    fando y lisfando y lis Posts: 32
    Someone get Cindy Sheehan over there to protest.. please.
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    flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Actually they are angry at the seemingly indiscriminate killing of civilians, not defending themselves as you would like to believe. I would call you derogatory names but you seem to be around 12 or 13 years old so I will refrain. Go to bed young man, you have chores in the morning.
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fando y lis wrote:
    Someone get Cindy Sheehan over there to protest.. please.

    Who's that, your mum?
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fando y lis wrote:
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276906,00.html
    Sheehan or Chavez could not be reached for comment..

    This from someone who on another thread stated that "Well, the corrupt UN is anti-semetic..."

    How do you expect anyone to take you seriously fando y lis? You should do yourself a favour mate and go back to school. No offence intended.

    By the way, 'anti-Semitic' isn't spelt 'anti-semetic'.
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    hailhailkchailhailkc Posts: 582
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This from someone who on another thread stated that "Well, the corrupt UN is anti-semetic..."

    How do you expect anyone to take you seriously fando y lis? You should do yourself a favour mate and go back to school. No offence intended.

    By the way, 'anti-Semitic' isn't spelt 'anti-semetic'.

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    rightonduderightondude Posts: 745
    hailhailkc wrote:
    The spelling police strike again.

    I kinda cringe when I read the spelling rederic thing. Isn't Fando spanish and english is the second language or something?

    no biggie imo...
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    Skitch PattersonSkitch Patterson Posts: 642
    yet it was okay for sup troncos to make just horrendous spelling errors in his attempt to convert the entire world to communisim... and if anyone with any right leaning ideas pointed if out, the whole board would jump on them.
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    ilanailana Posts: 78
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Actually they are angry at the seemingly indiscriminate killing of civilians, not defending themselves as you would like to believe. I would call you derogatory names but you seem to be around 12 or 13 years old so I will refrain. Go to bed young man, you have chores in the morning.

    it never fails to amaze me how these so called peace loving leftist protesters dont seem at all to mind indiscriminant killing of civillians when those civilians are israeli
    israel has a right and a responsibility to deffend her self, to hell with the leftists.
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    rightonduderightondude Posts: 745
    It really does help to discuss things with a level head and a touch of humor, otherwise you're just gonna get eaten up inside and feel bad about yourself eventually. Also...it's harder to do, and you have to think more ;)
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    mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    fando y lis wrote:
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276906,00.html
    Sheehan or Chavez could not be reached for comment..


    If you read what Shiraz has posted on here it seems that Israelis are also protesting their government's actions in Lebanon. So it seems that it's not only the leftist who have a problem with Israel bombing civilians targets in Lebanon.
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    ilanailana Posts: 78
    mammasan wrote:
    If you read what Shiraz has posted on here it seems that Israelis are also protesting their government's actions in Lebanon. So it seems that it's not only the leftist who have a problem with Israel bombing civilians targets in Lebanon.
    the israeli, get brainwashed with leftist nonsense, its not supprising that some would side with the enemy, but i asure you there many israelis who support thire contrys right to self defence
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ilana wrote:
    it never fails to amaze me how these so called peace loving leftist protesters dont seem at all to mind indiscriminant killing of civillians when those civilians are israeli
    israel has a right and a responsibility to deffend her self, to hell with the leftists.

    That's a slightly broad sweeping statement isn't it? So you say that all protesters of the Israeli government, and the Israeli military's crimes don't mind when Israeli civilians are killed? People like you are very good at making broad sweeping statements which have no basis in reality and with no reference to the facts. I personally believe that neither Israeli's or Palestinians should be getting killed as a consequence of the crimes of the Israeli and U.S governments, who are guilty of perpetuating this situation in defiance of world opinion, and in breach of international law. All right thinking Israeli's who care about the security and the future of their country should also be protesting against the actions of their government. Plenty of them are but we hardly ever hear about this in the Western media.
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ilana wrote:
    the israeli, get brainwashed with leftist nonsense, its not supprising that some would side with the enemy, but i asure you there many israelis who support thire contrys right to self defence

    I'm sure there are also plenty of Israeli's who are also protesting the crimes of their government and military, such as the fact that the Israeli government is currently in breach of over 60 U.N resolutions.

    Here's an example: An essay on the conflict by a Rabbi:

    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10585
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    SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    ilana wrote:
    the israeli, get brainwashed with leftist nonsense, its not supprising that some would side with the enemy, but i asure you there many israelis who support thire contrys right to self defence

    They're brainwashed?!? How does reasonable equate brainwashed? Honestly, why do people have such unconditional support for every move Israel makes? It reeks of racism.
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    mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    ilana wrote:
    the israeli, get brainwashed with leftist nonsense, its not supprising that some would side with the enemy, but i asure you there many israelis who support thire contrys right to self defence


    I keep hearing about Israel's right to self defense, what about Lebanon's rights. Last I checked Hizbollah was a terrorist organization supported bt Syria and Iran, not Lebanon. While I support Israel's right to exist and self defense I also support the same right for Lebanon and it's citizens. Do the innocent Lebanese citizens & the Lebanese government who had no hand in Hizbollah's actions not count? Do they not deserve the same rights afforded to Israel?

    I'm also getting a little sick and tired of this "leftist" bullshit. Is protesting the killing of innocent civilians wrong? Are some of you so consumed by hatred that it doesn't matter who gets killed as long as it's us and our friends doing the killing it's all all OK.
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    thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Montreal Lebanese protest government's stand on attacks
    BERTRAND MAROTTE AND CAROLINE ALPHONSO AND TENILLE BONOGUORE

    With a report by Gloria Galloway

    MONTREAL: TORONTO -- About 1,000 members of Montreal's Lebanese community protested yesterday against the Harper government's stand on the Middle East conflict, marching in the city's downtown, past the Israeli consulate to a federal government building....
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    SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    mammasan wrote:
    Are some of you so consumed by hatred that it doesn't matter who gets killed as long as it's us and our friends doing the killing it's all all OK.

    Yes. This is clearly the case.
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    Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    mammasan wrote:
    I keep hearing about Israel's right to self defense, what about Lebanon's rights. Last I checked Hizbollah was a terrorist organization supported bt Syria and Iran, not Lebanon. While I support Israel's right to exist and self defense I also support the same right for Lebanon and it's citizens. Do the innocent Lebanese citizens & the Lebanese government who had no hand in Hizbollah's actions not count? Do they not deserve the same rights afforded to Israel?

    I'm also getting a little sick and tired of this "leftist" bullshit. Is protesting the killing of innocent civilians wrong? Are some of you so consumed by hatred that it doesn't matter who gets killed as long as it's us and our friends doing the killing it's all all OK.


    yeah, I don't get the bombing of Beiruit because of hezbollah rockets in the south either. I completly understand defending the northern border and snuffing out the continued northern bombardment of Israel from hizbollah who will not be satisfied until they kill every jew in Israel I think. I get that many civilians who die are simply used by these guys as shields. But dropping leaflets that say...we're gonna bomb the shit out of this city, get the hell out, for people in the north who may be just trying to live and work and get along is absolutely fucking ridiculous. That's just going to piss off the people of Lebanon, not do anything to stop rockets coming into Hefia. The idea that either side is without guilt is null and void.

    As usual, somewhere near the middle.
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    Milhouse VanHoutenMilhouse VanHouten Posts: 759
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yeah, I don't get the bombing of Beiruit because of hezbollah rockets in the south either.

    What would happen if an Israeli rocket strike resulted in the death of an American in Beirut?
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    What would happen if an Israeli rocket strike resulted in the death of an American in Beirut?

    Israel would apologize and then continue bombing Beirut with America's full support.
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    Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    What would happen if an Israeli rocket strike resulted in the death of an American in Beirut?


    There would be one dead American in Beiruit.

    It's dangerous to go anywhere, certainly that region of the world. The Americans who went there accepted the risk, that something however ludicrous would happen. I view it the same way as an American riding on a bus being killed by a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv. Yeah, it sucks but you didn't have to be there. There are not a lot of easy answers to that kind of deep rooted hate and violence. Negociations work for about a month or a year or 5 but in the end they all want peace through aniliation (sp). I'm not down with that, and I definately do not want the US getting physically involved in a pointless conflict simply because a few people chose to go visit the region.
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    thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    There would be one dead American in Beiruit.

    It's dangerous to go anywhere, certainly that region of the world. The Americans who went there accepted the risk, that something however ludicrous would happen. I view it the same way as an American riding on a bus being killed by a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv. Yeah, it sucks but you didn't have to be there. There are not a lot of easy answers to that kind of deep rooted hate and violence. Negociations work for about a month or a year or 5 but in the end they all want peace through aniliation (sp). I'm not down with that, and I definately do not want the US getting physically involved in a pointless conflict simply because a few people chose to go visit the region.


    Lebanon was NOT dangerous before Isreal started bombing their facilities, reason why there's thousands of our countries citizens stuck in the middle of these attacks, most of them were on vacation or there for business.... just saying...
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    Milhouse VanHoutenMilhouse VanHouten Posts: 759
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    There would be one dead American in Beiruit.

    It's dangerous to go anywhere, certainly that region of the world. The Americans who went there accepted the risk, that something however ludicrous would happen. I view it the same way as an American riding on a bus being killed by a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv. Yeah, it sucks but you didn't have to be there. There are not a lot of easy answers to that kind of deep rooted hate and violence. Negociations work for about a month or a year or 5 but in the end they all want peace through aniliation (sp). I'm not down with that, and I definately do not want the US getting physically involved in a pointless conflict simply because a few people chose to go visit the region.

    I agree, Americans choosing to travel to Gaza or other troubled areas in the Middle East always seemed odd to me. I don't know how the president would react to an Israeli attack resulting in an American death, though. It would definitely complicate things for him. He's been trying to stay on the fence as much as he can in regards to his public remarks.
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    He's [Bush] been trying to stay on the fence as much as he can in regards to his public remarks.

    Are you serious? Bush has been trying to stay on the fence? Really? I'm not having a go at you here, but please can you give me one example of when Bush has been critical of Israel, or has simply demanded that Israel cease attacking either the Palestinians, or the Lebanese? Not just now, during this present situation, but ever.
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    Milhouse VanHoutenMilhouse VanHouten Posts: 759
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Are you serious? Bush has been trying to stay on the fence? Really? I'm not having a go at you here, but please can you give me one example of when Bush has been critical of Israel, or has simply demanded that Israel cease attacking either the Palestinians, or the Lebanese? Not just now, during this present situation, but ever.

    He's been much less "cowboy" on this than he was in regards to other Middle Eastern situations. Bush calling for Israeli "restraint" is actually as close to criticism as he's likely to get.
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    Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    He's been much less "cowboy" on this than he was in regards to other Middle Eastern situations. Bush calling for Israeli "restraint" is actually as close to criticism as he's likely to get.


    Probably because Bush himself has seldomly excercised "restraint"
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    Milhouse VanHoutenMilhouse VanHouten Posts: 759
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Probably because Bush himself has seldomly excercised "restraint"

    I like how he'll begin using a word like "restraint" and then explain to people what it means. He says it like he just learned it, and he explains it to the press corps as if he thinks he's teaching them a new word.

    "What we need in this situation is restraint, see, 'cuz restraint will lead to a better climate for diplomacy. It's the act of restraining one's self that will lead to a more diplomatic situation. Heh, heh, heh."
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    rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,917
    I actually understand why you're pissed, the left is notorious for making Israel out to be the only villian here and it is extremely annoying. But you're not helping the case for fair and balanced commentary, dude.
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    rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,917
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yeah, I don't get the bombing of Beiruit because of hezbollah rockets in the south either. I completly understand defending the northern border and snuffing out the continued northern bombardment of Israel from hizbollah who will not be satisfied until they kill every jew in Israel I think. I get that many civilians who die are simply used by these guys as shields. But dropping leaflets that say...we're gonna bomb the shit out of this city, get the hell out, for people in the north who may be just trying to live and work and get along is absolutely fucking ridiculous. That's just going to piss off the people of Lebanon, not do anything to stop rockets coming into Hefia. The idea that either side is without guilt is null and void.

    As usual, somewhere near the middle.

    Well said, saves me having to type out my take.
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    ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Here's an another article by a "..leftist protesting Israel defending itself". It is written by a Jewish Rabbi and a lot of you may find what he has to say about the Israeli government surprising:

    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10585
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