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jlew24asu

manic mind wrote:

You should see some of the footage I've seen about the way the towers were built. The way they explained it is the structure was built like a screen. What happens when you poke a hole in the screen with a pencil?? It's doesn't collapse. This is the same principle. These planes were like a pencil going through a screen. This building stood for an hour afterwards then suddenly you saw explosions going down the side of it as if there were bombs going off. Check it out! You'll have doubts too. Loose Change is a good one to see.

if you seriously are brainwashed by loose change I feel sorry for you.

pencil through a screen does NOT equal boeing 767 full of fuel into a building.


ok here we go again.

jlew24asu

double post. admins can you please delete the next 3 posts.

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triple post

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wow just kept going

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crazy board

jlew24asu

manic mind wrote:

of course I'm serious! I wouldn't joke around about something like this. When presented with the facts, how could you not feel this way?

facts? dude wake up. el queda was beihnd these attacks. not the US government.

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jlew24asu wrote:

those werent small planes buddy. even compared to the size of the buildingthey were two beoing 767 airplanes with 24,000 gallons of fuel. when supporting floors collapse onto the ones below it, the extremely heavy concrete has no where to go but, down. and im not even a physicist

Correct me if i'm wrong buddy (not without researching ur facts first tho) the way i understand it those towers were built too withstand MULTIPLE boeing (the previous model) strikes in the event of fog causing a problem in terms of vision. These previous boeings carried very small amount less fuel, something like 400 gallons less.

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manic mind wrote:

You know I often wonder what happens now that we KNOW what really happened. Where do we go from here? How do we make the people responsible pay for what they did? I think people are too beat down to fight. I have lost faith in my country & I don't know if I'll ever get it back. I am not proud of my country & I am ashamed to call Bush my president. What he has done makes me sick to my stomach. I was once delusional and thought that we were the greatest country in the world but I know better. What kind of country kills their own people??

Listen ask urself if u would have taken the same decisions that seem to have been taken? would any of ur friends or family? no country is perfect and the whole world is a battle between good and evil for the attention of the ignorant, see a few on this page, i think u have a country with a lot of good people (i dont know it very well however) and i think u just have to follow your heart.

Will1659

Paint a Picture.... wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong buddy (not without researching ur facts first tho) the way i understand it those towers were built too withstand MULTIPLE boeing (the previous model) strikes in the event of fog causing a problem in terms of vision. These previous boeings carried very small amount less fuel, something like 400 gallons less.

You're wrong, and I'm correcting you. I know that you, like President Bush, prefer to base decisions on seat-of-your-pants emotions rather than facts, and that's cool, but a Boeing jetliner can carry well over 20000 gallons of fuel, and the 9/11 planes were fully fueled that morning for what had been planned as cross-country flights. 20000>400. And the towers were built, as you said, to withstand the impact of a jetliner lost in the fog trying to land at JFK. What they were not built to withstand was a fully-fueled jetliner going at full-speed into them. Two totally different scenarios.

jlew24asu

Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling DOWN.

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Will1659 wrote:

You're wrong, and I'm correcting you. I know that you, like President Bush, prefer to base decisions on seat-of-your-pants emotions rather than facts, and that's cool, but a Boeing jetliner can carry well over 20000 gallons of fuel, and the 9/11 planes were fully fueled that morning for what had been planned as cross-country flights. 20000>400. And the towers were built, as you said, to withstand the impact of a jetliner lost in the fog trying to land at JFK. What they were not built to withstand was a fully-fueled jetliner going at full-speed into them. Two totally different scenarios.

Thats a fairly good attempt at reading what i said Will, but again im gonna have to ask u not to edit my original post to suit wotever agenda or mind set ur tryin to cling onto. I said that the boeing model that the planes were designed to withstand held something like 400 gallons less than the 707, 20000-24000,and sure i like emotion, and i like to THINK about life because i am alive, and im free in my mind and am not clinging to any notion of superiority over any other nation or creed, or pretending that i know how strangers to me base they're decisions, only a burning anger ( thats an emotion, 1 up for you) against the complacency and fear of some and the nepotism and sheer corruptness of others which causes a loss of freedom to express and to truly master life for the majority

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jlew24asu wrote:

Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling DOWN.

I dont know your personal skills or qualifications, background, situation, but im no scientist and i can see that however many many tonnes of steel and concrete untouched structurally, would surely not just atomise in a millisecond to allow a considerable amount lighter mass of materials to pass thru unhindered and fall at free fall speed in a straight line downwards. If the floors above those damaged by the plane strikes had fallen down and away from the rest of the structure i could logically accept the situation. And another point i would like to make, and possibly the most important for my thinking, is that in a country so ready and set up for courtroom litigation, how are these numerous people allowed to spread such viscious aspertions on the character of the administration without being sued to death. I think possibly because they really do not want to have to prove them wrong in a court of law.

Jackhammer

what you all forget, no terrorists group could have set up such an attack. It was just too big.

The story of al qaeda goes waaay back with the US gov.

Maybe things got outta hand with Bush. Maybe it was just bad timing and happened during his presidency.

But looking closer to the details... Something is awfully wrong.

So I wouldn't be surprised if one day we had proof of such a link Bush-Osama.

Will1659

Well actually it was the 707 that the twin towers were built to withstand an impact from, since that was the big jetliner of the day when they were designed. The exact fuel capacity varies with configuration, but the 707 (as well as the 767 and 757 that hit the towers on 9/11) all carry over 20000 gallons of fuel. So a 400-gallon difference, if that's even a real number you're citing, doesn't really mean much. Beyond that, I'm finding it difficult to interpret the rest of your post, so I'll have to get back to you.


P.S. Here's another edited post for you:

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im no scientist

Then stop trying to act as if you have a basis on which to judge scientific data. I'm not saying you're stupid or anything, but if you're not trained to interpret these things, then it doesn't matter jack shit what you can "logically accept" or not. What matters is what seems logical to people who are educated in these areas, and the vast vast majority of those voices support the "official story."

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Will1659 wrote:

P.S. Here's another edited post for you:Then stop trying to act as if you have a basis on which to judge scientific data. I'm not saying you're stupid or anything, but if you're not trained to interpret these things, then it doesn't matter jack shit what you can "logically accept" or not. What matters is what seems logical to people who are educated in these areas, and the vast vast majority of those voices support the "official story."

It may be so that the vast majority of voices educated in this area are supporting this, but if that is true, then i think they are saying it very quietly. I refer to my post above, why is there no litigation to stop the constant hammering of certain peoples character, and where are these irrefutable facts in official form. To repeat another point that is a big one to me, if there are so many experts that back the official line, then your telling me that the explanation for the confusion, is that the governing body of the "free" world are so incompetent that they cannot get this out in a document packed with solid facts?? i refuse to be taken in by that Columbo style bollocks.

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Will1659 wrote:

What matters is what seems logical to people who are educated in these areas, and the vast vast majority of those voices support the "official story."

What matters to me is that people like my Sister, my Mum, My Soldier brothers, my friends on the street, people i've never met who just want to live they're lives, are being put in the "Kill Zone" for the sake of maintaining the status quo, ie. "Divide and conquer", which is threatened by the world becoming a smaller place: more and more communication, media, integration all over the world of differing creeds and colours, the massive push that really caught the attention of the world to wipe out 3rd World Debt ( G8 Summit, Live8, the week after which the worlds attention was redirected to fear by the London Bombings), all tools and signs that point to the ultimate "Power to the People" and freedom.
The precedents are set in the past, the motivation is here in the present, and the people insane enough to carry it out and think they can get away with it are in power.

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Jackhammer wrote:

So I wouldn't be surprised if one day we had proof of such a link Bush-Osama.

The real Twin Towers possibly?? the Powers that be?? the "Status Quo" (with more elaborate riffs-) )

Carlos D

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im not being ignorant but wot do u mean by flamed bud? im confused-) u mean before i get too angry or before i get hammered by people for not researching the boards??

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....or for being dumb enought to believe in a childish autistic conspiracy theory.

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Carlos D wrote:

....or for being dumb enought to believe in a childish autistic conspiracy theory.

Thank God for that, its all cleared up, the FACT is its a childish autistic (??? thought they were good with facts and figures, dunno tho) conspiracy theory, thank fuck for that. Since we've cleared that up we might as well go on and end the feeling that its naive to think that human nature doesnt allow for greed, stupidity or being a power crazy jerk. Phew!!!!! i feel relieved thanks Carlos, lets paaarrrrttteeeeyyy!!!
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Carlos D

Paint a Picture.... wrote:

Thank God for that, its all cleared up, the FACT is its a childish autistic (??? thought they were good with facts and figures, dunno tho) conspiracy theory, thank fuck for that. Since we've cleared that up we might as well go on and end the feeling that its naive to think that human nature doesnt allow for greed, stupidity or being a power crazy jerk. Phew!!!!! i feel relieved thanks Carlos, lets paaarrrrttteeeeyyy!!!
wot a dick

I know...because your 'facts' make such a compelling argument.Why are Americans so pathetic and obsessive over this?Whether it's motion pictures,video tributes on Youtube with Enrique Iglesias songs or this stupid conspiracy,Americans don't seem to want to get over September 11th.Yes it was tragic but why can't Americans just accept that they were weak enough to be attacked by a terrorist attack?Because that's what this is all about isn't it?Americans don't want to think for one second that there are people out there capable of doing serious damage to their country and it's much safer to fantasise and pretend come up with your own version of events where only an American could orchestrate and attack on America.Do your country a favour and join the real world sometime soon.