oreillly has a point like nazis supporting hitler had a point. It may make sense at the time, but given context and common sense, history will prove them to be fools.
Oh come on, you can't compare it to Nazi Germany, that a little outragous.
and that's a balance to the entire Fox news network? You're talking about 1 program that's what, an hour, a half hour? Please. Fox is on 24 hours a day.
This one show couldn't possibly counter that.
I do believe MSMBC comes close. Olberman may do that in 1 hour lol. He's insane. Just my opnion though. I think we can all agree that the news media today is in the toilet. LOL didnt mean for this post to head to a conversation on the state of the news media, it was just ment for a quick laugh for my fellow jammers. Only here on the MT.
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I do believe MSMBC comes close. Olberman may do that in 1 hour lol. He's insane. Just my opnion though. I think we can all agree that the news media today is in the toilet. LOL didnt mean for this post to head to a conversation on the state of the news media, it was just ment for a quick laugh for my fellow jammers. Only here on the MT.
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It's not really. A lot of similar tactics and a shitload of devastation. Just because it may not be as bad doesn't mean it's any less despicable.
Please, give me a break. Read into your history a little, this is nothing like Nazi Germany. I can see how you want to connect our current wars with Nazi Occupation, and the Patriot Act as Gestapo tactics, but thats really over the top.
Oh, I hope your not trying to assume you know me personally enough to lable me with out having any idea as to what you're talking about. I think your views are a little blind myself, but I wouldn't compare it to a Nazi supporter.
There are of course many networks that are left... however I would argue that most of the major networks slightly lean left... and that Fox News is waaaaay right.
I think that's why they get so much crap.
Yes, Fox does lean waaaay right...and yet it still doesnt balance out.
Because I don't want to wipe out an entire race. Because I don't want to kill woman and children.
Whats the matter with you?
Do you really not think the US government is guilty of this? Are they not killing tens of thousands of civillians in their wars? And how many of those civillians do you reckon are of a race/religion other than that of those in power?
Funny how some people tend to think that anyone who supported the nazis was some sort of cold blooded killer. But keeping telling yourself whatever allows you to get to sleep at night.
Do you really not think the US government is guilty of this? Are they not killing tens of thousands of civillians in their wars? And how many of those civillians do you reckon are of a race/religion other than that of those in power?
Funny how some people tend to think that anyone who supported the nazis was some sort of cold blooded killer. But keeping telling yourself whatever allows you to get to sleep at night.
Being that you have been in the military and know what you're talking about? Have you even been out of Great Britian? Where do you get your facts from? I'm sorry to tell you this, but thats the most fucked up comment I have ever read on this board. You honestly think the United States is killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it? You have absolutely NO idea about what you're talking about. I didn't do six years in the military to kill civilians, I gave my best effort to try and make a positive difference in the world. I'm sorry for the innocent people that where killed, no one in the military wants that, no one in the government wants that. Speaking from someone who has some experience. Where did you get yours?
Some of you are crazy, absolutely crazy. Have you ever done anything in your life to see how the world works? Or do you believe every piece of bullshit that gets served to you?
Being that you have been in the military and know what you're talking about? Have you even been out of Great Britian? Where do you get your facts from? I'm sorry to tell you this, but thats the most fucked up comment I have ever read on this board. You honestly think the United States is killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it? You have absolutely NO idea about what you're talking about. I didn't do six years in the military to kill civilians, I gave my best effort to try and make a positive difference in the world. I'm sorry for the innocent people that where killed, no one in the military wants that, no one in the government wants that. Speaking from someone who has some experience. Where did you get yours?
I'm not even from the UK and yes, I have most certainly been out of it and incidentally, I've met and spoken to many Germans. Now, I'm not saying that you personally, or anyone in your ranks wants to kill civillians. Yet it still happens, in spades. And why? Why reason did those people die for? Sure, you have good intentions, I'm not debating that. But that doesn't mean that you and the military haven't been used as political pawns. You say no one in the government wants innocent people killed, and maybe that's so- but civillian deaths sure as hell won't stop them, will it?
See, people don't want to consider the fact that German soldiers were following orders too. They had their country's been interests in mind as well, at least what they were lead to believe was. They did as they were told without question. The Germans have learned the hard way to question authority and that blind patriotism is a dangerous and deadly concept. This is clearly something that the US has not yet caught on to.
I'm not even from the UK and yes, I have most certainly been out of it and incidentally, I've met and spoken to many Germans. Now, I'm not saying that you personally, or anyone in your ranks wants to kill civillians. Yet it still happens, in spades. And why? Why reason did those people die for? Sure, you have good intentions, I'm not debating that. But that doesn't mean that you and the military haven't been used as political pawns. You say no one in the government wants innocent people killed, and maybe that's so- but civillian deaths sure as hell won't stop them, will it?
See, people don't want to consider the fact that German soldiers were following orders too. They had their country's been interests in mind as well, at least what they were lead to believe was. They did as they were told without question. The Germans have learned the hard way to question authority and that blind patriotism is a dangerous and deadly concept. This is clearly something that the US has not yet caught on to.
First of all, the soldiers who did the fucked up nasty shit were the SS soldiers not standard militia and these guys were sick fucks who were in the SS division because they wanted to be. They were a certain breed who could handle killing and tortureing woman and children. And yes the did this to children without a blink of an eye. Tey were sick twisted men who should all be killed if caught. And you wanna compaire these guys to our American Soldiers???? Come on man, whats the matter with you?
Sure people die who are not soldiers, thats one fo the terrible things about war. WAR sucks! But sometimes you have to make it whether you want to or not.
Man, you fucking compaire SS soldiers with American Soldiers?? I am shocked.
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First of all, the soldiers who did the fucked up nasty shit were the SS soldiers not standard militia and these guys were sick fucks who were in the SS division because they wanted to be. They were a certain breed who could handle killing and tortureing woman and children. And yes the did this to children without a blink of an eye. Tey were sick twisted men who should all be killed if caught. And you wanna compaire these guys to our American Soldiers???? Come on man, whats the matter with you?
Sure people die who are not soldiers, thats one fo the terrible things about war. WAR sucks! But sometimes you have to make it whether you want to or not.
Man, you fucking compaire SS soldiers with American Soldiers?? I am shocked.
I think you're fairly naïve about what war does to those engaged in it. American soldiers have been documented to have done some pretty horiffic things during times of war and in warzones. And don't forget that Guantanamo was set up by this very same government in question. I'd ask you where you draw the line, but the fact is, it doesn't matter because that line has already been pushed further back than should be tolerated. There's always a way to justify what's being done by your government, thanks to propaganda but also because for most it's just too painful to consider and accept the truth. Don't think it was so different for the Germans.
I'm not even from the UK and yes, I have most certainly been out of it and incidentally, I've met and spoken to many Germans. Now, I'm not saying that you personally, or anyone in your ranks wants to kill civillians. Yet it still happens, in spades. And why? Why reason did those people die for? Sure, you have good intentions, I'm not debating that. But that doesn't mean that you and the military haven't been used as political pawns. You say no one in the government wants innocent people killed, and maybe that's so- but civillian deaths sure as hell won't stop them, will it?
See, people don't want to consider the fact that German soldiers were following orders too. They had their country's been interests in mind as well, at least what they were lead to believe was. They did as they were told without question. The Germans have learned the hard way to question authority and that blind patriotism is a dangerous and deadly concept. This is clearly something that the US has not yet caught on to.
There is a big difference, the German population at that time were powerless to do anything about it, the people have power here in America. We wouldn't be able to post on this American message board if that was true. Their isn't some blind patriotism here in America, we scrutinize our government just as much as the next free society.
I will agree that our military now and their military then did what their country asked them to do during difficult times. Plenty people don't agree with the current conflicts in the Middle East today, and of course we all know what history has proved about WWII but there is a lot to be said for the people that did their best for what they believed was good. Any honorable military has always followed a code of conduct, and the small percent that violate that counter their military’s efforts. There is something about being in the military that you can't explain to people. Their is an element to it that is unpleasant but absolutely necessary, and thats following orders. You have no idea how difficult it is to get people to cooperate and listen, now imagine trying to do that under a dangerous situation like war? The military has to follow orders, has to do things they don't want to, but its needed, otherwise discipline breaks down, and more people die needlessly, and efforts are wasted. Until the world can agree to hug and kiss, and throw away their weapons, all of us need a means of defense with in our own country. I don't see this happening any time soon and sticking our head in the sand and hope this will all go away is no way to avoid the situation, and getting carried away with total war isn't as well.
Back to my point, there is no desire to kill civilians in the US government and in the US military. I don't know why people on this board really think that they are out to kill civilians? You have no idea what the military goes through to avoid it.
I'm glad to see a good healthy debate going on here, but the post was ment to give a person or two a smile and brighten a day. Don't you think theres enought pissing battles over war and politics on here? Look at whats going on here? Man I think its impossible to post on here with out it turning into some great debate. Easy people, sit back, breath and relax.....enjoy the simple things in life.
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I'm glad to see a good healthy debate going on here, but the post was ment to give a person or two a smile and brighten a day. Don't you think theres enought pissing battles over war and politics on here? Look at whats going on here? Man I think its impossible to post on here with out it turning into some great debate. Easy people, sit back, breath and relax.....enjoy the simple things in life.
With all do respect, I can't stand O'Reilly. He is an obnoxious prick. BUT, the media in general in this country is so far left it's not even funny. OK, right wingers have FOX News and AM radio. Lefties have the other 90% of overall media covered.
Anyone who listens to O'Reilly for news and opinion IS a moron.
That would be the majority of viewers for that time slot, one of the most contested slots.
Personally, I think O'Reilly is an airhead most of the time, but some of what he says I agree with. The way he cuts people off is incredibly annoying and immature. It serves only to discredit what he's actually saying.
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If you gave me choice between Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Maddow or Olbermann I would probably take O'Reilly. There are times when I agree with O'Reilly and he does tend to be the most un-biased out of political commentators I mentioned but he is an asshole. I say that not because of his views but because of his arrogance.
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If you gave me choice between Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Maddow or Olbermann I would probably take O'Reilly. There are times when I agree with O'Reilly and he does tend to be the most un-biased out of political commentators I mentioned but he is an asshole. I say that not because of his views but because of his arrogance.
But why go for any of them when you could go for Wolf Blitzer's beard?
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If you gave me choice between Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Maddow or Olbermann I would probably take O'Reilly. There are times when I agree with O'Reilly and he does tend to be the most un-biased out of political commentators I mentioned but he is an asshole. I say that not because of his views but because of his arrogance.
Limbaugh's not too bad either. I hate the way he continues to support Bush, but a lot of what he says I agree with.
I can't stand Hannity or Olbermann.
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
Limbaugh's not too bad either. I hate the way he continues to support Bush, but a lot of what he says I agree with.
I can't stand Hannity or Olbermann.
Well I didn't expect you to like Olbermann much. Limbaugh is an ass of biblical proportions. To me Joe Scarborough is probably the best. I don't agree with a lot of his personal beliefs or views but he is fair and lays blame where it is due regardless of which party it is.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
With all do respect, I can't stand O'Reilly. He is an obnoxious prick. BUT, the media in general in this country is so far left it's not even funny. OK, right wingers have FOX News and AM radio. Lefties have the other 90% of overall media covered.
Virtually all non-partisan studies that have tried to quantify this "media-bias" myth have concluded that it is a myth. How do you define where the center is? Is it communism vs. anarchy? But if you look at things like how many times a persons name is referenced in a positive or negative light, the answers will come.
I would suspect that there is a slight bias toward the "left" because most respected reporters are educated and thoughtful by default. The more interesting statement is that the media is generally more educated than the typical American. This perpetuates a scare-tactic and myth created by the right that the media is biased.
The more interesting statement is that the media is generally more educated than the typical American.
So is George Bush, so what difference does it make?
I think you meant to say "indoctrinated."
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
First of all, the soldiers who did the fucked up nasty shit were the SS soldiers not standard militia and these guys were sick fucks who were in the SS division because they wanted to be. They were a certain breed who could handle killing and tortureing woman and children. And yes the did this to children without a blink of an eye. Tey were sick twisted men who should all be killed if caught. And you wanna compaire these guys to our American Soldiers???? Come on man, whats the matter with you?
Sure people die who are not soldiers, thats one fo the terrible things about war. WAR sucks! But sometimes you have to make it whether you want to or not.
Man, you fucking compaire SS soldiers with American Soldiers?? I am shocked.
My Lai massacre? Abu Ghraib? Those are just tip of the iceberg. Plenty more atrocities happen at the hands of this 'righteous' country. Sorry to disappoint, America is no better than every other country in the history of wars and occupations. Same as it ever was, same as it will ever be. Take the flag out of your ass.
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Oh come on, you can't compare it to Nazi Germany, that a little outragous.
It's not really. A lot of similar tactics and a shitload of devastation. Just because it may not be as bad doesn't mean it's any less despicable.
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Man you never know with some of these threads. Sometimes the smallest things can blow up into a million posts.
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Please, give me a break. Read into your history a little, this is nothing like Nazi Germany. I can see how you want to connect our current wars with Nazi Occupation, and the Patriot Act as Gestapo tactics, but thats really over the top.
Oh, I hope your not trying to assume you know me personally enough to lable me with out having any idea as to what you're talking about. I think your views are a little blind myself, but I wouldn't compare it to a Nazi supporter.
Yes, Fox does lean waaaay right...and yet it still doesnt balance out.
Whats the matter with you?
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Do you really not think the US government is guilty of this? Are they not killing tens of thousands of civillians in their wars? And how many of those civillians do you reckon are of a race/religion other than that of those in power?
Funny how some people tend to think that anyone who supported the nazis was some sort of cold blooded killer. But keeping telling yourself whatever allows you to get to sleep at night.
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Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Being that you have been in the military and know what you're talking about? Have you even been out of Great Britian? Where do you get your facts from? I'm sorry to tell you this, but thats the most fucked up comment I have ever read on this board. You honestly think the United States is killing innocent civilians just for the fuck of it? You have absolutely NO idea about what you're talking about. I didn't do six years in the military to kill civilians, I gave my best effort to try and make a positive difference in the world. I'm sorry for the innocent people that where killed, no one in the military wants that, no one in the government wants that. Speaking from someone who has some experience. Where did you get yours?
Some of you are crazy, absolutely crazy. Have you ever done anything in your life to see how the world works? Or do you believe every piece of bullshit that gets served to you?
I'm not even from the UK and yes, I have most certainly been out of it and incidentally, I've met and spoken to many Germans. Now, I'm not saying that you personally, or anyone in your ranks wants to kill civillians. Yet it still happens, in spades. And why? Why reason did those people die for? Sure, you have good intentions, I'm not debating that. But that doesn't mean that you and the military haven't been used as political pawns. You say no one in the government wants innocent people killed, and maybe that's so- but civillian deaths sure as hell won't stop them, will it?
See, people don't want to consider the fact that German soldiers were following orders too. They had their country's been interests in mind as well, at least what they were lead to believe was. They did as they were told without question. The Germans have learned the hard way to question authority and that blind patriotism is a dangerous and deadly concept. This is clearly something that the US has not yet caught on to.
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Sure people die who are not soldiers, thats one fo the terrible things about war. WAR sucks! But sometimes you have to make it whether you want to or not.
Man, you fucking compaire SS soldiers with American Soldiers?? I am shocked.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I think you're fairly naïve about what war does to those engaged in it. American soldiers have been documented to have done some pretty horiffic things during times of war and in warzones. And don't forget that Guantanamo was set up by this very same government in question. I'd ask you where you draw the line, but the fact is, it doesn't matter because that line has already been pushed further back than should be tolerated. There's always a way to justify what's being done by your government, thanks to propaganda but also because for most it's just too painful to consider and accept the truth. Don't think it was so different for the Germans.
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There is a big difference, the German population at that time were powerless to do anything about it, the people have power here in America. We wouldn't be able to post on this American message board if that was true. Their isn't some blind patriotism here in America, we scrutinize our government just as much as the next free society.
I will agree that our military now and their military then did what their country asked them to do during difficult times. Plenty people don't agree with the current conflicts in the Middle East today, and of course we all know what history has proved about WWII but there is a lot to be said for the people that did their best for what they believed was good. Any honorable military has always followed a code of conduct, and the small percent that violate that counter their military’s efforts. There is something about being in the military that you can't explain to people. Their is an element to it that is unpleasant but absolutely necessary, and thats following orders. You have no idea how difficult it is to get people to cooperate and listen, now imagine trying to do that under a dangerous situation like war? The military has to follow orders, has to do things they don't want to, but its needed, otherwise discipline breaks down, and more people die needlessly, and efforts are wasted. Until the world can agree to hug and kiss, and throw away their weapons, all of us need a means of defense with in our own country. I don't see this happening any time soon and sticking our head in the sand and hope this will all go away is no way to avoid the situation, and getting carried away with total war isn't as well.
Back to my point, there is no desire to kill civilians in the US government and in the US military. I don't know why people on this board really think that they are out to kill civilians? You have no idea what the military goes through to avoid it.
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That would be the majority of viewers for that time slot, one of the most contested slots.
Personally, I think O'Reilly is an airhead most of the time, but some of what he says I agree with. The way he cuts people off is incredibly annoying and immature. It serves only to discredit what he's actually saying.
-Reagan
But why go for any of them when you could go for Wolf Blitzer's beard?
And he who forgets, will be destined to remember...
I like my men well shaved.
Limbaugh's not too bad either. I hate the way he continues to support Bush, but a lot of what he says I agree with.
I can't stand Hannity or Olbermann.
-Reagan
Well I didn't expect you to like Olbermann much. Limbaugh is an ass of biblical proportions. To me Joe Scarborough is probably the best. I don't agree with a lot of his personal beliefs or views but he is fair and lays blame where it is due regardless of which party it is.
Virtually all non-partisan studies that have tried to quantify this "media-bias" myth have concluded that it is a myth. How do you define where the center is? Is it communism vs. anarchy? But if you look at things like how many times a persons name is referenced in a positive or negative light, the answers will come.
I would suspect that there is a slight bias toward the "left" because most respected reporters are educated and thoughtful by default. The more interesting statement is that the media is generally more educated than the typical American. This perpetuates a scare-tactic and myth created by the right that the media is biased.
So is George Bush, so what difference does it make?
I think you meant to say "indoctrinated."
-Reagan
So lefties are more educated? Just trying to wrap my mind around that presumption.
My Lai massacre? Abu Ghraib? Those are just tip of the iceberg. Plenty more atrocities happen at the hands of this 'righteous' country. Sorry to disappoint, America is no better than every other country in the history of wars and occupations. Same as it ever was, same as it will ever be. Take the flag out of your ass.
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Statistically speaking, yes. Research the studies for yourself.
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