Did Hizbollah whoop the IDF's butt??
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"Young Israelis dream of being inventors, and their role models are the Israeli innovators who made it to the Nasdaq. Hezbollah youth dream of being martyrs, and their role models are Islamic militants who made it to the Next World. Israel spent the last six years preparing for Warren Buffett, while Hezbollah spent the last six years preparing for this war."
good quote from thomas friedman, from the above.0 -
NCfan wrote:Israeli soldiers were napping when this war started - that's why they got ambushed - for the very best reasons: They have so much more to do with their lives, and they live in a society that empowers and enables them to do it.
And this isn't nonsense? Your idea of what constitutes nonsense obviously differs from mine. Has Israel not been in a permanent state of war since it's creation in 1948?0 -
Byrnzie wrote:You make presumptions in 3 out of 3 sentences. Where's your evidence that they hid behind women and children. You don't have any, because they didn't. Women and children evacuating their homes at the orders of the Israelis were then targeted by these same Israelis. Red cross ambulances were also targeted. U.N monitors were also targeted.
I suppose you'll say that Hizbollah fighters were hiding in those ambulances, and were hiding in those basements of the buildings which were targeted??
As for your second point, are you saying that Hizbollah was responsible for the massacre of 1000 Lebanese civilians and not those who pulled the trigger? That's a very peculiar perspective. It reminds me of how the Nazis used to complain about the effect that the massacring of Jews had upon it's soldiers. Those poor Nazis! Imagine what they had to endure??
You've been drinking way too much kool-aid.
There are so many flaws, inaccurate numbers and misconceptions in your post.
Word of advise, the truth usually tends to reside somewhere in the middle of all the surrounding garbage. Take a look with an objective mind.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:And this isn't nonsense? Your idea of what constitutes nonsense obviously differs from mine. Has Israel not been in a permanent state of war since it's creation in 1948?
true, but they are a free people. free people don't dream of death and destruction. they want to raise families, build nice homes..do the things that you and i like to do...hezbollah on the other hand, dreams of killing people, and setting up a taliban like society.
its a good side that you chose, huh.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:And this isn't nonsense? Your idea of what constitutes nonsense obviously differs from mine. Has Israel not been in a permanent state of war since it's creation in 1948?
Those who demonize Israel lose the race, before they even get out of the Starting Gate.
It (demonizing Israel) illustrates a clear and profound lack of historical facts and a lack of an objective disposition.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:And this isn't nonsense? Your idea of what constitutes nonsense obviously differs from mine. Has Israel not been in a permanent state of war since it's creation in 1948?
Don't take the statement out of context. Sure, there has always been conflict. But as the article when on to say.... the IDF had just fought their own citizens in removing them from Gaza and the country had just elected a Prime Minister who pledged to unilateraly withdraw from the West Bank in return for NOTHING!
They were expecting a decrease in tension due to their concessions - that is what that statement means...0 -
monkey spanker wrote:"Young Israelis dream of being inventors, and their role models are the Israeli innovators who made it to the Nasdaq. Hezbollah youth dream of being martyrs, and their role models are Islamic militants who made it to the Next World. Israel spent the last six years preparing for Warren Buffett, while Hezbollah spent the last six years preparing for this war."
good quote from thomas friedman, from the above.
Yeah, good quote as long as your talking bollocks.
U.S. Helped Israel Plan for Hezbollah Clash, New Yorker Says
Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush's administration was involved in planning Israeli attacks on Hezbollah fighters and views the initiative as a prelude to possible U.S. bombing of Iran, The New Yorker magazine's Seymour Hersh reported.
The report cited unidentified current and former intelligence officers in Israel and the U.S. as well as officials in Israel and Defense Department consultants. Administration officials denied knowledge of Israel's plan for the air war in Lebanon and declined to respond to a detailed list of questions, Hersh wrote.
The U.S. government wanted to strip Hezbollah, which is backed by Iran and Syria, of missiles because they could be fired at Israel in a counter-attack in the event of a U.S. attack on Iran, a Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of the U.S. and Israeli governments said, according to the report.
Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney were convinced a successful Israeli bombing of Hezbollah's underground missile and command complexes in Lebanon could ease Israel's security concerns and serve as a prelude to a potential pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations, current and former intelligence officials were reported as saying.
"What I understand is this: our military, our Air Force has been trying for a year to get plans for a major massive bombing assault on Iran pushed through the Pentagon, pushed through the process. And there's been sort of an internecine fight inside the Pentagon over just basically the idea of strategic war against Iran. They're very dug in Iran. The Persians have been digging in for -- what? -- centuries and centuries. And the Marines and the Navy and the Army have said, No way we're going to start bombing, because it will end up with troops on the ground. So there's been a stalemate. I've written a lot about it." Seymour Hersh
David Baker, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, had no comment when contacted by Bloomberg News. The White House duty press officer didn't respond to a request for comment.
The New Yorker 8-21
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/14/1358255#transcript0 -
jsand wrote:If Hezbollah fought like a conventional army and abided by the Geneva conventions (which Israel does) they would have taken massive casualties.
You mean fighting from the safety of F16 fighter jets and Apache helicopters? Yeah, really brave. As soon as Israels had to fight like men on the ground they got whooped.0 -
and the left really believes that you can negotiate with these uncivilized animals. amazing.0
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Byrnzie wrote:Has Israel not been in a permanent state of war since it's creation in 1948?
Pretty much, yes.
But in no way is your hyperbole sentence indicative of Israel as the catalysts of all the conflict.
There's a whole lot more that has been going on and there have been a lot of contributers to the on-going conflict; who are not Israeli.
You're comments are as biased and generalized as of those you (and others) attack and condemn, for generalizing (or for what you percieve) as generalizing and stereotyping Muslims.
It appears it's okay to stereotype and generalize Israel and Jews, but god forbid anyone do the same with Muslims.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:Yeah, good quote as long as your talking bollocks.
U.S. Helped Israel Plan for Hezbollah Clash, New Yorker Says
Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush's administration was involved in planning Israeli attacks on Hezbollah fighters and views the initiative as a prelude to possible U.S. bombing of Iran, The New Yorker magazine's Seymour Hersh reported.
The report cited unidentified current and former intelligence officers in Israel and the U.S. as well as officials in Israel and Defense Department consultants. Administration officials denied knowledge of Israel's plan for the air war in Lebanon and declined to respond to a detailed list of questions, Hersh wrote.
The U.S. government wanted to strip Hezbollah, which is backed by Iran and Syria, of missiles because they could be fired at Israel in a counter-attack in the event of a U.S. attack on Iran, a Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of the U.S. and Israeli governments said, according to the report.
Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney were convinced a successful Israeli bombing of Hezbollah's underground missile and command complexes in Lebanon could ease Israel's security concerns and serve as a prelude to a potential pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations, current and former intelligence officials were reported as saying.
"What I understand is this: our military, our Air Force has been trying for a year to get plans for a major massive bombing assault on Iran pushed through the Pentagon, pushed through the process. And there's been sort of an internecine fight inside the Pentagon over just basically the idea of strategic war against Iran. They're very dug in Iran. The Persians have been digging in for -- what? -- centuries and centuries. And the Marines and the Navy and the Army have said, No way we're going to start bombing, because it will end up with troops on the ground. So there's been a stalemate. I've written a lot about it." Seymour Hersh
David Baker, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, had no comment when contacted by Bloomberg News. The White House duty press officer didn't respond to a request for comment.
The New Yorker 8-21
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/14/1358255#transcript
How can you deny Friedman's statement??? The article you posted has absolutely nothing to do with it... they aren't even remotely connected. If you don't agree, then explain why.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:You mean fighting from the safety of F16 fighter jets and Apache helicopters? Yeah, really brave. As soon as Israels had to fight like men on the ground they got whooped.
Sure. Just ignore the facts that I previously stated about blending in with civilians, digging trenches for six years, in addition to being armed by Iran. Fight like men? Hezbollah are a bunch of terrorist scumbag cowards. It speaks volumes about your morality (or lack thereof) that you align yourself with such a group.0 -
NCfan wrote:Don't take the statement out of context. Sure, there has always been conflict. But as the article when on to say.... the IDF had just fought their own citizens in removing them from Gaza and the country had just elected a Prime Minister who pledged to unilateraly withdraw from the West Bank in return for NOTHING!
They were expecting a decrease in tension due to their concessions - that is what that statement means...
"In return for NOTHING". So what exactly should an occupying army expect in your scheme of things?0 -
Byrnzie wrote:You mean fighting from the safety of F16 fighter jets and Apache helicopters? Yeah, really brave. As soon as Israels had to fight like men on the ground they got whooped.
You confuse me. I can understand being against Israel's aggressions, as I was, I thought they went overboard. But your praise for Hezbollah and the Chechen rebels is strange. You think Israel fighting from F16's is cowardly, but you think a group like the Chechens, that take over elementary schools, theatres, and hospitals are warriors? You obviously arent really concerned with innocent civilians dieing, your only concerned with those that die at the hands of the Israeli's. You can believe that both sides are out of line ya know. Its not a sporting event, you dont have to cheer for one side over the other.0 -
monkey spanker wrote:and the left really believes that you can negotiate with these uncivilized animals. amazing.
Check out the woman stomping on the corpse.0 -
jsand wrote:
Ah, some more innocent, non-violent victims illustrating their deep desire for love and peace:rolleyes:
Nothing says Love and Peace, like a good afternoon torture, lyncing, and murdering. Not to mention all the love and peace involved in stomping and brutalizing of a dead human body.
Where can I get me some love and peace, like that?:rolleyes:0 -
Byrnzie wrote:You mean fighting from the safety of F16 fighter jets and Apache helicopters? Yeah, really brave. As soon as Israels had to fight like men on the ground they got whooped.
I am seriously asking you how old you are. I just want to get a handle on what kind of education and life experience you've had.
People on here post time and again about your lack of credibility, yet you continue to argue with the logic that borders on insantity.
- We claim that Hezbollah are cowards because they hide behind civillians and purposely target civillians.
- You respond by saying Hezbollah are warriors because they don't have modern arms.
Are you kidding me? They don't have modern arms becuase they are incapable of producing a societey that can create modern arms like tanks and helicopters.0 -
monkey spanker wrote:and the left really believes that you can negotiate with these uncivilized animals. amazing.
That comment says more about your obvious racism that about anything else.0
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