The 20 Greatest Americans

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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I was hoping people would create their own lists. How about giving us yours?

    Of the top of my head...

    you have your daniel morgans, your john paul joneses, your teddy rosevelts, your andrew jacksons, your pat tillmans, your ronald reagans, your chuck norrises...your rush limbaughs and sean hannity's....


    seriously...eddie vedder and noam chomsky in your all time top 20 americans? who would actually take that seriously?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Cool list, Byrnzie. :) Apparently some people here think your views are supposed to reflect their own. Maybe they'll learn to grasp the concept of differing perspectives one of these days.

    once we agree with you, right? couldn't possibly be the other way around? till that day, we hare hatemongers :) damn straight...i LOOOOOOVE war and hate. :D
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Of the top of my head...

    you have your daniel morgans, your john paul joneses, your teddy rosevelts, your andrew jacksons, your pat tillmans, your ronald reagans, your chuck norrises...your rush limbaughs and sean hannity's....


    seriously...eddie vedder and noam chomsky in your all time top 20 americans? who would actually take that seriously?

    You laugh at me for including Eddie Vedder - despite all the good he's done in the world above and beyond his actual music - and yet you think that Chuck Norris, and Ronald Reagan should be on the list?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    once we agree with you, right? couldn't possibly be the other way around? till that day, we hare hatemongers :) damn straight...i LOOOOOOVE war and hate. :D

    All I'll say is, that if you had a party and invited your top 20, and I had a party where my top 20 were all present - I wonder who'd have the better time? ;)
  • MLC2006
    MLC2006 Posts: 861
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You laugh at me for including Eddie Vedder - despite all the good he's done in the world above and beyond his actual music - and yet you think that Chuck Norris, and Ronald Reagan should be on the list?

    actually, it would be a foregone conclusion of any sane person that Chuck Norris is automatically at the TOP of the list. you don't even have to type his name for us to know that he is above all others.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You laugh at me for including Eddie Vedder - despite all the good he's done in the world above and beyond his actual music - and yet you think that Chuck Norris, and Ronald Reagan should be on the list?

    1. you obviously don't have a sense of humor.

    2. you really think eddie vedder is a greater american than ronald reagan? if it weren't for the latter, the last bastion of conservatism would be gone...he was single handedly responsible for a political realignment and the rebirth of conservative values...

    but yeah...eddie vedder really cares about stuff...what an intellectual
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    once we agree with you, right? couldn't possibly be the other way around? till that day, we hare hatemongers :) damn straight...i LOOOOOOVE war and hate. :D

    Nope. That's exact the opposite of what I'm saying. Byrnzie's list is his own...it might be helpful if you at least say why you don't agree about the people he listed or list your own. But just saying how they aren't your idea greatness is pointless because it wasn't your list. If you add why you disagree and then list some people yourself we might could have a civil discussion. Imagine that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MLC2006 wrote:
    ok, if politicians are left out, here's some names that should've been on the list:

    Leo Fender/Les Paul
    Robert Johnson
    Hank Williams
    Jimi Hendrix
    Johnnie Cash
    Babe Ruth
    Howard Stern
    Michael Jordan
    Steven Spielberg
    George Lucas
    Madonna
    Michael Jackson
    Lenny Bruce
    Henry Ford
    Alexander Graham Bell

    oops, you had a few of those people on there.

    if we're putting politicians and dignitaries in, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, FDR, MLK, Douglass, hell, probably even Lincoln. and possibly even Jefferson Davis as he played a huge part in the shaping of this country. I would not have personally put Robert Kennedy on the list.

    Hank Williams, Lenny Bruce, Hendrix - yes. Michael Jackson, Madonna? Nooooo!

    Michael Jackson is the Carl Lewis to Jimi Hendrix's Muhammed Ali.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Byrnzie wrote:
    All I'll say is, that if you had a party and invited your top 20, and I had a party where my top 20 were all present - I wonder who'd have the better time? ;)

    i would guess my party would...since we are optomistic, and hopefull, and aren't revelled in guilt, and are not seeking to cover that guilt


    :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    1. you obviously don't have a sense of humor.

    2. you really think eddie vedder is a greater american than ronald reagan? if it weren't for the latter, the last bastion of conservatism would be gone...he was single handedly responsible for a political realignment and the rebirth of conservative values...

    but yeah...eddie vedder really cares about stuff...what an intellectual

    One word: Nicaragua.
  • MLC2006
    MLC2006 Posts: 861
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Hank Williams, Lenny Bruce, Hendrix - yes. Michael Jackson, Madonna? Nooooo!

    Michael Jackson is the Carl Lewis to Jimi Hendrix's Muhammed Ali.

    do I like Jackson or Madonna? hell no. but it's undeniable that they've both had an impact on pop culture in the US.

    also, I forgot about Van Halen.

    Andy Griffith, Lucille Ball, or Jerry Seinfeld would also be 3 names that are big in American pop culture.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    you really think eddie vedder is a greater american than ronald reagan?

    I actually just want to place the above quote on it's own here. I think you need to think carefully about what exactly you have said here.
    You have just stated that you believe Ronald Reagan to be a better American than Eddie Vedder.
    I'm gonna chew on this for a while. It's like a whelk to me - unpalatable, wrong, ugly, yet strangely intriguing.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Nope. That's exact the opposite of what I'm saying. Byrnzie's list is his own...it might be helpful if you at least say why you don't agree about the people he listed or list your own. But just saying how they aren't your idea greatness is pointless because it wasn't your list. If you add why you disagree and then list some people yourself we might could have a civil discussion. Imagine that.

    aren't we in a civil discussion?

    i didn't say they weren't "great" i said they were liberals...they ARE liberals. and not very smart liberals...i mean...eddie vedder? as a top 20 all time american? are you SERIOUS?

    i've posted here long enough that the left has NO DESIRE of hearing the other side. at all. so i don't need a lecture on how i need to hear the other side. i'm resigned to the post of pointing out idiocy.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • MLC2006
    MLC2006 Posts: 861
    I agree with Purple Hawk here. even if we were to name the 20 most important American musicians, Vedder wouldn't be on my list.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Purple Hawk wrote:

    but yeah...eddie vedder really cares about stuff...what an intellectual

    ... ?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I actually just want to place the above quote on it's own here. I think you need to think carefully about what exactly you have said here.
    You have just stated that you believe Ronald Reagan to be a better American that Eddie Vedder.
    I'm gonna chew on this for a while. It's like a whelk to me - unpalatable, wrong, ugly, yet strangely intriguing.

    damn straight yo....very enlightening
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    The forum is awesome. You guys will argue, I mean debate, over anything.

    "My favorite sandwich is bologna and ketchup."

    "You cannot be serious! How did you forget about turkey? "

    "Come on, its got to be PBJ!"

    "Are you stupid? Its definately a spamwich."

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    awesome...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    ...

    Why hold back Roland? Let em have it! :D:D
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    aren't we in a civil discussion?

    i didn't say they weren't "great" i said they were liberals...they ARE liberals. and not very smart liberals...i mean...eddie vedder? as a top 20 all time american? are you SERIOUS?

    i've posted here long enough that the left has NO DESIRE of hearing the other side. at all. so i don't need a lecture on how i need to hear the other side. i'm resigned to the post of pointing out idiocy.

    Yes, being civil always includes pointing out another's idiocy. Have fun with that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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