Ron Paul for President '08,the only REAL choice!

JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
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  • I have a better idea....how about Ron Jeremy?
    I'll be back
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have a better idea....how about Ron Jeremy?
    ...
    or RuPaul.
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    He's got my vote!


    Restore the Second Amendment
    by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

    Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, January 9, 2003

    Mr. Speaker, I rise to restore the right the founding fathers saw as the guarantee of every other right by introducing the Second Amendment Protection Act. This legislation reverses the steady erosion of the right to keep and bear arms by repealing unconstitutional laws that allow power-hungry federal bureaucrats to restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

    Specifically, my legislation repeals the five-day waiting period and the "instant" background check, which enables the federal government to compile a database of every gun owner in America. My legislation also repeals the misnamed ban on "semi-automatic" weapons, which bans entire class of firearms for no conceivable reason beside the desire of demagogic politicians to appear tough on crime. Finally, my bill amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 by deleting the "sporting purposes" test, which allows the Treasury Secretary to infringe on second amendment rights by classifying a firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun) as a "destructive device" simply because the Secretary believes the gun to be "non-sporting."

    Thomas Jefferson said "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; ...that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." Jefferson, and all of the Founders, would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising their right and duty to keep and bear arms. I hope my colleagues will join me in upholding the Founders' vision for a free society by cosponsoring the Second Amendment Restoration Act.

    Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    Specifically, my legislation repeals the five-day waiting period and the "instant" background check, which enables the federal government to compile a database of every gun owner in America.

    what a spastic :rolleyes:

    i wasnt surprised to read he is from Texas :D

    i hope he has a 'hunting accident'
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman wrote:
    what a spastic :rolleyes:

    i wasnt surprised to read he is from Texas :D

    i hope he has a 'hunting accident'


    yeah,talk shit about a guy who wants to protect your freedom.very intelligent.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    JamMastaE wrote:
    yeah,talk shit about a guy who wants to protect your freedom.very intelligent.

    he isnt protecting fucking anything of mine.. . thankfully... the guys an imbecile who should take his toaster into the shower in the morning

    and thanks... it was rather intelligent wasnt it :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman wrote:
    he isnt protecting fucking anything of mine.. . thankfully... the guys an imbecile who should take his toaster into the shower in the morning

    and thanks... it was rather intelligent wasnt it :)


    i didn't notice you are not from this country.

    but i did notice you know not of which you speak.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    JamMastaE wrote:
    i didn't notice you are not from this country.

    but i did notice you know not of which you speak.

    ok then yoda :rolleyes:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman wrote:
    ok then yoda :rolleyes:



    mmmmmm,yes.head up ass be.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • MakingWavesMakingWaves Posts: 1,293
    Seeing visions of falling up somehow.

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  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    dunkman wrote:
    he isnt protecting fucking anything of mine.. . thankfully... the guys an imbecile who should take his toaster into the shower in the morning

    and thanks... it was rather intelligent wasnt it :)

    As a non-American, I doubt you have much interest in doing so, but before anyone criticizes Ron Paul for his stances on gun laws they should really take the time to read all of his stances on other, more pressing issues.

    He's essentially a libertarian wearing a GOP name tag. The man despises our government, our current administration, democrats, the war on terror, the war on drugs...he hates everything, lol.

    The one thing he absolutely loves is liberty. He loves free markets and free peoples. It's this hatred and distrust for government, coupled with his passion for liberty, that back his opinions on issues like gun control. He's not some whacko, survivalist type, he's a well-educated doctor who believes people should have the absolute freedom to do what they please as long as it does not harm the property of others or infringe on others' freedoms. If you choose to have a large cache of weapons in your basement, that's fine by him as long as you don't use that cache of weapons against his or anyone else's property.

    As a big fan of Ron Paul for some time, he will definitely get my vote if he's on the ballot.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Cosmo wrote:
    I have a better idea....how about Ron Jeremy?
    ...
    or RuPaul.

    Jeremy/RuPaul '08!!
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Ebizzie wrote:
    As a non-American, I doubt you have much interest in doing so, but before anyone criticizes Ron Paul for his stances on gun laws they should really take the time to read all of his stances on other, more pressing issues.

    He's essentially a libertarian wearing a GOP name tag. The man despises our government, our current administration, democrats, the war on terror, the war on drugs...he hates everything, lol.

    The one thing he absolutely loves is liberty. He loves free markets and free peoples. It's this hatred and distrust for government, coupled with his passion for liberty, that back his opinions on issues like gun control. He's not some whacko, survivalist type, he's a well-educated doctor who believes people should have the absolute freedom to do what they please as long as it does not harm the property of others or infringe on others' freedoms. If you choose to have a large cache of weapons in your basement, that's fine by him as long as you don't use that cache of weapons against his or anyone else's property.

    As a big fan of Ron Paul for some time, he will definitely get my vote if he's on the ballot.


    any US politician that harps on about 'freedoms' loses my interest immediately. 'Freedoms' (plural for whatever reason.. i have no idea) is what keeps america in its box of fear... you fear you may lose them, but really you are no free-er than anyone in say France, Germany, Uk, Japan, etc... and yet no politician there makes the word 'freedoms' the crux of their political stance.

    The guy is ok "If you choose to have a large cache of weapons in your basement, that's fine by him as long as you don't use that cache of weapons against his or anyone else's property." :confused:

    why would people fire large caches of weapons at a house?


    and doesnt this just create a stand-off situation? the guy next door has 40 more rifles than you... ok better get me a machine gun and a howitzer incase my dog pisses on his grass and he comes and shoots my property!!

    what a joke :rolleyes:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    dunkman wrote:
    any US politician that harps on about 'freedoms' loses my interest immediately. 'Freedoms' (plural for whatever reason.. i have no idea) is what keeps america in its box of fear... you fear you may lose them, but really you are no free-er than anyone in say France, Germany, Uk, Japan, etc... and yet no politician there makes the word 'freedoms' the crux of their political stance.

    The guy is ok "If you choose to have a large cache of weapons in your basement, that's fine by him as long as you don't use that cache of weapons against his or anyone else's property." :confused:

    why would people fire large caches of weapons at a house?


    and doesnt this just create a stand-off situation? the guy next door has 40 more rifles than you... ok better get me a machine gun and a howitzer incase my dog pisses on his grass and he comes and shoots my property!!

    what a joke :rolleyes:

    I don't see any damage being done in people owning these things without using them against other people.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    zstillings wrote:
    I don't see any damage being done in people owning these things without using them against other people.

    True. Until they get into the hands of this guy.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=232727
  • cutback wrote:
    True. Until they get into the hands of this guy.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=232727

    I'm sure he doesn't follow gun laws anyway...
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    dunkman wrote:
    any US politician that harps on about 'freedoms' loses my interest immediately.

    Freedom should be a canidates first motivation. As long as other issues are put before freedom, my vote goes somewhere else.
    dunkman wrote:
    what a joke :rolleyes:

    As long as you stay on your side of the water, you have no worries, then. Why do you get so worked up about choice?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    dunkman wrote:
    any US politician that harps on about 'freedoms' loses my interest immediately. 'Freedoms' (plural for whatever reason.. i have no idea) is what keeps america in its box of fear... you fear you may lose them, but really you are no free-er than anyone in say France, Germany, Uk, Japan, etc... and yet no politician there makes the word 'freedoms' the crux of their political stance.

    So what you're really saying is that you had no interest in reading up on the guy, you just wanted to stir some shit up on the message board.

    And incidentally, we and our property are still the freest in the world. European governments are far more involved in the day-to-day lives of Europeans than the American government is in Americans' lives. What's worse is that you've recently added another level of bureaucracy in the form of the EU. As long as the US continues to have the freest market in the world, we will continue to be the freest people in the world.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I don't agree with him on some things, particularly the gun issue, but I appreciate him as one of very few politicians in D.C. who consistently and aggressively takes on over-reaching government power, and the abuse of that power. On the floor of Congress, he called the Bush administration "machiavellian imperialists". Democrats are usually too timid to say that, and here's a Republican from Texas saying it. Because I think most problems in this country stem from too much Federal power, for this reason I would vote for Ron Paul if he had a chance of winning, which of course, he doesn't.
  • Ron Paul is a hero; he will get my '08 vote, write-in or otherwise.
    "All governments are murderers and liars."
    -Bill Hicks
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I'd vote for him over any of those who have announced their candicacy in the past six months, and probably over anyone who will announce their candicacy in the next 16 months.

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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'd vote for him over any of those who have announced their candicacy in the past six months, and probably over anyone who will announce their candicacy in the next 16 months.

    Count me in. Ron Paul will have my vote (although I'd prefer he ran as a Libertarian).
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    Count me in. Ron Paul will have my vote (although I'd prefer he ran as a Libertarian).

    He is Libertarian-like, yet a Constitutional supremist. I think it's a good mix; a fair and freedom-minded country man. I've read a fair amount of his writings since '03. He concerns himself with the health of this nation, but doesn't philosophise or idealize the resolution; I find him a wisened sort more than an intellectual. He understands the mechanics of law, and the waste that has accumulated in the Capital.

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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Ebizzie wrote:
    1. So what you're really saying is that you had no interest in reading up on the guy, you just wanted to stir some shit up on the message board.

    2. And incidentally, we and our property are still the freest in the world. European governments are far more involved in the day-to-day lives of Europeans than the American government is in Americans' lives. What's worse is that you've recently added another level of bureaucracy in the form of the EU. As long as the US continues to have the freest market in the world, we will continue to be the freest people in the world.

    i read up on the guy, just that he didnt hold my interest as he is as opaque as every other politician that uses the 'freedoms' soundbite to win plaudits... i couldnt give a fuck about stirring up shit on a message board... i have no need to do that!

    2. thats ostrich thinking... keep your head in the sand... we have no Patriot Act here, and please explain how your property is the free-est in the world... and bear in mind there is no trespass law in Scotland, we have the modern worlds free-est Rights of Way and Countryside Access laws.... and the EU hasnt been recently added ? :confused: its been here a while
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    I'm sure he doesn't follow gun laws anyway...

    i thought this guy was advocating the stripping away of the gun laws... making it easier for retards to NOT follow them?

    :rolleyes:

    do guns make you gun advocates feel like real men?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    dunkman wrote:
    i read up on the guy, just that he didnt hold my interest as he is as opaque as every other politician that uses the 'freedoms' soundbite to win plaudits... i couldnt give a fuck about stirring up shit on a message board... i have no need to do that!

    2. thats ostrich thinking... keep your head in the sand... we have no Patriot Act here, and please explain how your property is the free-est in the world... and bear in mind there is no trespass law in Scotland, we have the modern worlds free-est Rights of Way and Countryside Access laws.... and the EU hasnt been recently added ? :confused: its been here a while

    If he has opaque viewpoints to you, I'd hate to hear what you have to say about the rest of the idiots in Washington, haha.

    As far as the freedoms associated with property, I was using the term property in a very broad sense. Real estate is property, money is property, my body is property, my family is property...any physical object that belongs to me or my family is property.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Ebizzie wrote:
    If he has opaque viewpoints to you, I'd hate to hear what you have to say about the rest of the idiots in Washington, haha.

    As far as the freedoms associated with property, I was using the term property in a very broad sense. Real estate is property, money is property, my body is property, my family is property...any physical object that belongs to me or my family is property.

    you said it... idiots in Washington is a good turn of phrase, i'll use it more often ;)

    as for property, well then you are certainly no free-er than I... :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman wrote:
    i read up on the guy, just that he didnt hold my interest as he is as opaque as every other politician that uses the 'freedoms' soundbite to win plaudits... i couldnt give a fuck about stirring up shit on a message board... i have no need to do that!

    2. thats ostrich thinking... keep your head in the sand... we have no Patriot Act here, and please explain how your property is the free-est in the world... and bear in mind there is no trespass law in Scotland, we have the modern worlds free-est Rights of Way and Countryside Access laws.... and the EU hasnt been recently added ? :confused: its been here a while

    you are not from this country so this post is not for you!!
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    69charger wrote:
    My legislation also repeals the misnamed ban on "semi-automatic" weapons, which bans entire class of firearms for no conceivable reason beside the desire of demagogic politicians to appear tough on crime.

    funny how the idiots espousing this sort of reasoning dont apply the same logic to ridiculous mandatory minimums and three strikes rules. let's lock up paul for life becos he got caught with a joint for the third time while he was in college.

    is this really what you think is the most important issue on our plate today?

    *edit* just found out he apparently is one of the few consistent on that count. im all for a libertarian in office. get him to run!
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