5 years later and binLaden's still free

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  • bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.

    So what about the memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S." that Bush received in the weeks prior to 9/11? Was that not a clear warning of what was to come?
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  • DCGARDEN wrote:
    I think any sane person knows that Clinton's weak-ass foreign policy left a big plate of unfinished-business for Bush to clean up
    So, why did Bush do nothing for his first 8 months in office? I take that back. He did take a long vacation.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    bill clinton is responsable for 9/11. he ignored the first attack; he ignored the warnings from those who told him another attack was inevitable and also how it might be carried out; and he ignored the threats from the attackers. if that doesn't lay the blame squarely on his shoulders; then no one is to blame. call it an act of God.
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    I see at least ONE person watched that ABC Television Mini-series.
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    Er... wait... Is it Clinton's fault or God's?
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  • John Budge wrote:
    So, why did Bush do nothing for his first 8 months in office? I take that back. He did take a long vacation.


    Ummm 9/11 did'nt happen during the period of time you're speaking of

    When it happened - that my friend - was what you call a wake-up call
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  • So what about the memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S." that Bush received in the weeks prior to 9/11? Was that not a clear warning of what was to come?


    What's a more clear picture of things to come?

    The memo " Bin Laden determined to strike US "

    or

    Hundreds of pages of documents on Sadamm Hussein's chemical weapon capabillity - skeleton's of gassed Kurds - and the kicking out of UN weapons inspectors all of these years

    Damn...I should be a lawyer!!!!!
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  • Thats bullshit! Bush could find him if he wanted to! Fuck our government! They lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A few days ago an offical report found that Iraq had nothing to do with Bin and the White House said lets no worry how we got here, lets worry about how we are going to get through it. Fuck the US government. Bin is probably bunking up with Bush in the White House. NEVER TRUST A WORD OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS!
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  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    Thats bullshit! Bush could find him if he wanted to! Fuck our government! They lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A few days ago an offical report found that Iraq had nothing to do with Bin and the White House said lets no worry how we got here, lets worry about how we are going to get through it. Fuck the US government. Bin is probably bunking up with Bush in the White House. NEVER TRUST A WORD OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS!

    Wow.
  • John Budge wrote:
    So, why did Bush do nothing for his first 8 months in office? I take that back. He did take a long vacation.

    it would take me more than 8 months to sort through 8 years of incompetence. don't you see the 8 months of gathering intelligence and preperation or do you only see what you want to see.
    let me ask you: why didn't clinton do anything for 8 years??? the '93 attack went by like it never happened. what about the plane bombings he did nothing about?
    are you sure you want to debate politics with me?
  • Thats bullshit! Bush could find him if he wanted to! Fuck our government! They lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A few days ago an offical report found that Iraq had nothing to do with Bin and the White House said lets no worry how we got here, lets worry about how we are going to get through it. Fuck the US government. Bin is probably bunking up with Bush in the White House. NEVER TRUST A WORD OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS!

    why do we keep finding and killing taliban soldiers and "generals" in iraqi? where are the WMD's that the US gave saddam? we know they're there b/c we gave them to him. we have evidence of biologicals in the mass graves we found. what more do you want???
  • DCGARDEN wrote:
    What's a more clear picture of things to come?

    The memo " Bin Laden determined to strike US "

    or

    Hundreds of pages of documents on Sadamm Hussein's chemical weapon capabillity - skeleton's of gassed Kurds - and the kicking out of UN weapons inspectors all of these years

    Damn...I should be a lawyer!!!!!

    quite the apt analogy, makes for a compelling argument
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  • DCGARDEN wrote:
    What's a more clear picture of things to come?

    The memo " Bin Laden determined to strike US "

    or

    Hundreds of pages of documents on Sadamm Hussein's chemical weapon capabillity - skeleton's of gassed Kurds - and the kicking out of UN weapons inspectors all of these years

    Damn...I should be a lawyer!!!!!
    how dare you bring logic into the moving train!!!!!

    hehehe
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  • it would take me more than 8 months to sort through 8 years of incompetence. don't you see the 8 months of gathering intelligence and preperation or do you only see what you want to see.
    let me ask you: why didn't clinton do anything for 8 years??? the '93 attack went by like it never happened. what about the plane bombings he did nothing about?
    are you sure you want to debate politics with me?

    What about the memo from Aug 2001? Was that not a viable warning?

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412042phoenix1.html
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  • how dare you bring logic into the moving train!!!!!

    hehehe

    logic? it was devoid of anything substantial to answer the question

    btw, those gassings happened in 1988....back when Saddam was a good employee
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    why do we keep finding and killing taliban soldiers and "generals" in iraqi? where are the WMD's that the US gave saddam? we know they're there b/c we gave them to him. we have evidence of biologicals in the mass graves we found. what more do you want???
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    Please, point me to this verifiable report on Taliban Generals in Iraq.
    Also, the WMDs sold to Saddam Hussein by then President Ronald Reagan were used during the 1980-1989 War with Iran. The 'poor innocents' Sadamm used these chemical weapons (mostly in the form of artillery shells and aerial bombs) were Iranian tank columns and shelling positions. The weapons we 'discovered' were buried in the desrt as Iraqi gunner positions moved out and the Iraqi soldier, being the inept soldier that he is, found it easier to bury the unfired shells than to load them back onto the trucks to transport back to storage facilities.
    As for the Mas graves... it was on the urging of President George H.W. Bush in 1991 to rise against the Huessein regime and the U.S. lead coalition force would help them overthrow the dictator. We reneged on the promise and Hussein, who conventional forces were all but destroyed by the Gulf War, used his Ace in the Hole to stem the revolt. This is why the No-Fly Zones were established and enforced.
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    If you are going to place blame on past events... at least do it evenly and fairly and truthfully. Telling history with a political slant is simply politics... and we all know that politics is lies. Do not lessen history with lies and slants of petty political nit picking.
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  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    Yeah, I sure wish Clinton would have occupied Iraq, that way 9/11 wouldn't have happened. *sigh*

    If Bush himself said Iraq had nothing to do with it, why still believe it?
  • Cosmo wrote:
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    Please, point me to this verifiable report on Taliban Generals in Iraq.
    Also, the WMDs sold to Saddam Hussein by then President Ronald Reagan were used during the 1980-1989 War with Iran. The 'poor innocents' Sadamm used these chemical weapons (mostly in the form of artillery shells and aerial bombs) were Iranian tank columns and shelling positions. The weapons we 'discovered' were buried in the desrt as Iraqi gunner positions moved out and the Iraqi soldier, being the inept soldier that he is, found it easier to bury the unfired shells than to load them back onto the trucks to transport back to storage facilities.
    As for the Mas graves... it was on the urging of President George H.W. Bush in 1991 to rise against the Huessein regime and the U.S. lead coalition force would help them overthrow the dictator. We reneged on the promise and Hussein, who conventional forces were all but destroyed by the Gulf War, used his Ace in the Hole to stem the revolt. This is why the No-Fly Zones were established and enforced.
    ...
    If you are going to place blame on past events... at least do it evenly and fairly and truthfully. Telling history with a political slant is simply politics... and we all know that politics is lies. Do not lessen history with lies and slants of petty political nit picking.

    Cosmo: I give someone about 10 minutes tops before they try to re-write your very accurate history listed above - 10 minutes tops
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Cosmo: I give someone about 10 minutes tops before they try to re-write your very accurate history listed above - 10 minutes tops
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    I know. I just hate this blame it on the Democrats... blame it on the Republicans political bullshit. Blame it on the past... blame it on yesterday... that's where the true blame lies. Why not go all the way back... blame it on Cain... he slew Abel and started all this shit, right?
    We will never progress as ONE nation if we are too petty to accept the past as OUR collective past and move forward as one. The decisions that are being made today will create the realities of tomorrow. and since no one knows what tomorrow will bring, all we can do is our best assessment based upon the outcomes of yesterday's decisions.
    If we do not stop this petty, moronic, Left vs. Right childish game... we are sunk.
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  • DCGARDEN wrote:
    Cosmo: I give someone about 10 minutes tops before they try to re-write your very accurate history listed above - 10 minutes tops

    i won't try to rewrite it b/c it's too slanted to make sense out of. i know from those who were there.

    i can understand not finding someone in vast wilderness. i live in a small town in the mountians and the government has been looking for me for 9 years now. as long as i don't pay taxes they never will find me. becoming invisable is easy.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    i won't try to rewrite it b/c it's too slanted to make sense out of. i know from those who were there.

    i can understand not finding someone in vast wilderness. i live in a small town in the mountians and the government has been looking for me for 9 years now. as long as i don't pay taxes they never will find me. becoming invisable is easy.
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    Slanted? How? Those are the events that took place. How is the truth slanted?
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    The only thing I can think of is that it is NOT slanted to meet your approval of how things should be told.
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    **Note to self**... make the call to the I.R.S. to report the where abouts of a criminal tax evader who is using Federal and State resources and refusing to shoulder his fair share of the bill.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
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    Slanted? How? Those are the events that took place. How is the truth slanted?
    ...
    The only thing I can think of is that it is NOT slanted to meet your approval of how things should be told.
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    **Note to self**... make the call to the I.R.S. to report the where abouts of a criminal tax evader who is using Federal and State resources and refusing to shoulder his fair share of the bill.

    hell; i'll call the irs. the guy they think they're looking for died in europe 14 years ago.

    as for history; were you there to know every detail to make a fully unbiased opinion? i can pick through history books for weeks and point out FACTS of recorded history that were later found to be false. ie: the world is flat; wounded knee. as i said earlier; written word is only as reliable as it's author.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    hell; i'll call the irs. the guy they think they're looking for died in europe 14 years ago.

    as for history; were you there to know every detail to make a fully unbiased opinion? i can pick through history books for weeks and point out FACTS of recorded history that were later found to be false. ie: the world is flat; wounded knee. as i said earlier; written word is only as reliable as it's author.
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    Then, point out my flaws.
    Ronald Reagan sold Chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein in the 1980 to fight the Iranians of Ayatollah Khomeni... True or False?
    The Iraqi Army fired those weapons at advancing Iranian tank columns in Eastern Iraq... True of False?
    Iranian soldiers died from that chemical warfare... True or False?
    Iraqi soldiers are inept fucks and lazy as shit... True or False?
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    George H.W. Bush told the Kurds and Shi'ites to rise against the Hussein regime at the end of the 1991 Gulf War, assuring them that the coalition that had dealt a crippling blow to his military would back them up... True or False?
    We failed to follow through with that promise... True or False?
    Saddam's army was pummelled to shit... True or False?
    Saddam Hussein used his chemical weapons on the Kurds to stem the revolt... True or False?
    The No-Fly zones in Iraq were set up to protect the Kurds and Shi'ites from further air attacks by Hussein's remaining aircraft... True or False?
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    Please, correct me and tell me what actually happened.
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    P.S.
    Sorry, but you willing brought it up...
    You are admitting that you evade paying taxes and that every other American that pays his fair share is carrying your sorry ass... AND... you have stolen the Identiy of another individual in order to commit fraud to other people who come into contact with you?
    You don't pay taxes... you don't vote... because you are not who you say you are.... so, if you do vote, you are doing so in a knowingly fraudulent manner. If you DON'T pay taxes and vote... what gives you the privilege to criticise a government you do not participate in?
    And... Aren't you the one I argued with about all of that Jesus stuff? How does Jesus feel about a liar and a cheat?
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  • Cosmo wrote:
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    Then, point out my flaws.
    Ronald Reagan sold Chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein in the 1980 to fight the Iranians of Ayatollah Khomeni... True or False?
    The Iraqi Army fired those weapons at advancing Iranian tank columns in Eastern Iraq... True of False?
    Iranian soldiers died from that chemical warfare... True or False?
    Iraqi soldiers are inept fucks and lazy as shit... True or False?
    ...
    George H.W. Bush told the Kurds and Shi'ites to rise against the Hussein regime at the end of the 1991 Gulf War, assuring them that the coalition that had dealt a crippling blow to his military would back them up... True or False?
    We failed to follow through with that promise... True or False?
    Saddam's army was pummelled to shit... True or False?
    Saddam Hussein used his chemical weapons on the Kurds to stem the revolt... True or False?
    The No-Fly zones in Iraq were set up to protect the Kurds and Shi'ites from further air attacks by Hussein's remaining aircraft... True or False?
    ...
    Please, correct me and tell me what actually happened.

    first; i believe reagan took office in 1981. weren't the dems in control in 1980?
    the rest of your post admitts that saddam USED WMDs. we call that genocide.
    the biological agents are easily multiplied. any idiot would multiply the agents so as not to deplete their weaponry. chemical agents are easy to duplicate too.
    you admitt that weapons were burried to hide them. do you really think that every square inch of that desert has been searched and cleared?
    i don't have the time for a pissing contest so i agree that we disagree and will most likely always disagree.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    first; i believe reagan took office in 1981. weren't the dems in control in 1980?
    the rest of your post admitts that saddam USED WMDs. we call that genocide.
    the biological agents are easily multiplied. any idiot would multiply the agents so as not to deplete their weaponry. chemical agents are easy to duplicate too.
    you admitt that weapons were burried to hide them. do you really think that every square inch of that desert has been searched and cleared?
    i don't have the time for a pissing contest so i agree that we disagree and will most likely always disagree.
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    The Reagan years were January 1981 through January 1989. This pretty much spans the majority of the decade of the 1980s... (I mistyped the 's', denoting the Reagan years... sorry). This was the same period Iraq and Iran did their sorry ass "War" (Stalemate).
    Weapons left in the desert for 20 years are pretty much useless.
    "Stockpiles" of weapons, as well as Research and Develpoment Labratories, Manufacturing Plants, Distribution Centers and Storage facilities occupy more than one square inch.
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    If what I state are statements of fact, therefore, true statements... and you disagree... what does that mean? Doesn't it mean you are supporting the false side of the statement?
    Reagan sold Hussein chemical weapons... that is a fact. You can argue justification and rationale all you want, but you cannot argue against the fact that Hussein got chemical weapons from us during the Reagan Presidency.
    You called me out on this one.
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Finding bin laden really isnt that important...bombing his friends is
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    miller8966 wrote:
    Finding bin laden really isnt that important...bombing his friends is
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    That is what is important.
    I would much rather stop the fucker trying to shoot down a Boeing 747 taking off from LAX with a shoulder mounted anti-aircraft rocket than the fucking Pakistani fucks parading that lanky ass mother fucker through the streets of Khasababad.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The Reagan years were January 1981 through January 1989. This pretty much spans the majority of the decade of the 1980s... (I mistyped the 's', denoting the Reagan years... sorry). This was the same period Iraq and Iran did their sorry ass "War" (Stalemate).
    Weapons left in the desert for 20 years are pretty much useless.
    "Stockpiles" of weapons, as well as Research and Develpoment Labratories, Manufacturing Plants, Distribution Centers and Storage facilities occupy more than one square inch.
    ...
    If what I state are statements of fact, therefore, true statements... and you disagree... what does that mean? Doesn't it mean you are supporting the false side of the statement?
    Reagan sold Hussein chemical weapons... that is a fact. You can argue justification and rationale all you want, but you cannot argue against the fact that Hussein got chemical weapons from us during the Reagan Presidency.
    You called me out on this one.

    long before you came online i stated that saddam had WMDs b/c WE gave them to him. read back a little. in the early '90s we gave him biologicals he said were for research to find antidotes in case they were attacked. they were friends then.
    as for weapons not being viable after 20 years; we store ours underground and the 20 yr old missles we've used kicked ass. what better place to store them than a dry desert?
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Cosmo wrote:
    P.S.
    Sorry, but you willing brought it up...
    You are admitting that you evade paying taxes and that every other American that pays his fair share is carrying your sorry ass... AND... you have stolen the Identiy of another individual in order to commit fraud to other people who come into contact with you?
    You don't pay taxes... you don't vote... because you are not who you say you are.... so, if you do vote, you are doing so in a knowingly fraudulent manner. If you DON'T pay taxes and vote... what gives you the privilege to criticise a government you do not participate in?
    And... Aren't you the one I argued with about all of that Jesus stuff? How does Jesus feel about a liar and a cheat?
    Hey onelongsong .... if that's true, then you've chosen not to participate in our democracy, so your viewpoint is of no importance whatsoever. I'll disregard anything you say from this point forward.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • it would take me more than 8 months to sort through 8 years of incompetence. don't you see the 8 months of gathering intelligence and preperation or do you only see what you want to see.
    let me ask you: why didn't clinton do anything for 8 years??? the '93 attack went by like it never happened. what about the plane bombings he did nothing about?
    are you sure you want to debate politics with me?
    I wasn't responding to any of your posts. Do you know how to read English?

    Bush's cabinet was briefed on the threat from Bin Laden. They did nothing. I don't understand why cons feel so secure with these idiots in Washington. They were no better than the Clinton administration in responding to Bin Laden until it was too late.
  • John Budge wrote:
    I wasn't responding to any of your posts. Do you know how to read English?

    Bush's cabinet was briefed on the threat from Bin Laden. They did nothing. I don't understand why cons feel so secure with these idiots in Washington. They were no better than the Clinton administration in responding to Bin Laden until it was too late.


    I think what he's trying to get across to you ( though seemingly impossible) is that yes neither side was particularly on the ball before the attack, you compare a new administration only 8 months in their first term when they hadn't been attacked yet to an incompetent administration's actual reactions to attacks that took place over the course of 8 years is quite silly.
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