U.S.: Attack Dogs Used Against Prisoners

Vedderlution_Baby

Jackhammer wrote:

I've read this thread and I have the feeling that there is something forgotten here.

Last I heard, prison is supposed to be a place where criminal are kept away from society because of their behavior, both as punishment AND as a place where they're supposed to be helped re-integrating their place.

And no, violence never solved anything except in video games, which I'm really fond of

I LOVE the video games.

Jackhammer

Heh, I don't know if prison was ever a rehabilitation place, but I do think that now is the best time ever to start with it.

I mean, it goes from one extreme to the other.

Without getting into details, I personally knew a pedophile who got in jail for abusing about 20 kids. Inderectly (through letters and such), he told "us" about how life was actually good in jail, got photos of his nice cell, tv set, video games and how it was easier to get illegal stuff in jail as out of it. He got out after 5 years.

Then I hear innocent people receiving death penalty.

I have no idea how to handle this.

Or people in jail should be immediatly killed, or threated like human beings. Torturing people, even criminals, turns you just like them.

I personally and honestly don't know. I know that, if I meet that pedophile again, I'll feel the urge of ripping his balls off and stick them into his ass along with a bowling ball.

What I'm trying to say is that, we, as "normal people", feel the need of justice, and I'm somehow afraid that people mix vengeance or revenge, and justice. On the other hand, we have proof, on a daily basis, that justice is corrupted, just as any other system.

Vedderlution_Baby

Jackhammer wrote:

Heh, I don't know if prison was ever a rehabilitation place, but I do think that now is the best time ever to start with it.

I mean, it goes from one extreme to the other.

Without getting into details, I personally knew a pedophile who got in jail for abusing about 20 kids. Inderectly (through letters and such), he told "us" about how life was actually good in jail, got photos of his nice cell, tv set, video games and how it was easier to get illegal stuff in jail as out of it. He got out after 5 years.

Then I hear innocent people receiving death penalty.

I have no idea how to handle this.

Or people in jail should be immediatly killed, or threated like human beings. Torturing people, even criminals, turns you just like them.

I personally and honestly don't know. I know that, if I meet that pedophile again, I'll feel the urge of ripping his balls off and stick them into his ass along with a bowling ball.

What I'm trying to say is that, we, as "normal people", feel the need of justice, and I'm somehow afraid that people mix vengeance or revenge, and justice. On the other hand, we have proof, on a daily basis, that justice is corrupted, just as any other system.

See, I could never work as someone who is supposed to supply justice. Cause my emotions would get in the way. Like that guy...there's no telling what I would do to that guy.

Jackhammer

Same for me.

On the other hand, maybe he "healed".

That's what the comission tought, when they set him free.

And before he got his hands on another bunch of kids...

When I think about it, it's like a bad movie.

Still it's real... And part of my problem with criminals and jails, at least as it exists nowadays.

How am I supposed to live in a world that allow this to happen?
What can I do to change that, except by doing justice myself?

All one can do, is to have faith, that people of good will might one day represent "majority".

Riverrunner

I usually don't get involved with MT - too scared. But this time I have to make one point ...well, maybe a couple. First, I don't like the use of dogs becuase of the danger to the dogs. They didn't have that career choice.

Second, imagine the situation. You are a prisoner sitting in your cell. You are a convicted felon in a maximum or medium security prison. You know the rules. A guard comes by and says "Joe, we need to search your cell as part of our weekly routine. Please come with me." Joe just sits there doing nothing or says "F*** you Pete." Pete goes and gets Spot, the prison dog. Pete comes back with Spot and says "Joe you have to get out of your cell or I will have to send Spot in after you." Joe says, "F*** you Pete and your dog Spot too."

Tell me.... isn't Joe responsible for this "cruel and inhumane punishment?" Joe knew good and well what was going to happen if he didn't do what Pete told him to do. This is not the same scenario as a police officer knocking at my door and ordering me to go with him. I have a constitution right to NOT be taken into custody without a warrant or w/out an officer in hot pursuit after seeing me commit a crime. But someone in prison has already been convicted of a crime. There is NO privacy right in prison. It is the way the system works. So if Joe doesn't want to come out, he knows that he has to pay the price. There is no "principal" of the thing. There is no "right" for him not to come out. I pretty much think that it how it is in all prisons in all countries. If Joe wants to fight with the Pete and Spot, he made the choice.

PaperPlates

Riverrunner wrote:

I usually don't get involved with MT - too scared. But this time I have to make one point ...well, maybe a couple. First, I don't like the use of dogs becuase of the danger to the dogs. They didn't have that career choice.

Second, imagine the situation. You are a prisoner sitting in your cell. You are a convicted felon in a maximum or medium security prison. You know the rules. A guard comes by and says "Joe, we need to search your cell as part of our weekly routine. Please come with me." Joe just sits there doing nothing or says "F*** you Pete." Pete goes and gets Spot, the prison dog. Pete comes back with Spot and says "Joe you have to get out of your cell or I will have to send Spot in after you." Joe says, "F*** you Pete and your dog Spot too."

Tell me.... isn't Joe responsible for this "cruel and inhumane punishment?" Joe knew good and well what was going to happen if he didn't do what Pete told him to do. This is not the same scenario as a police officer knocking at my door and ordering me to go with him. I have a constitution right to NOT be taken into custody without a warrant or w/out an officer in hot pursuit after seeing me commit a crime. But someone in prison has already been convicted of a crime. There is NO privacy right in prison. It is the way the system works. So if Joe doesn't want to come out, he knows that he has to pay the price. There is no "principal" of the thing. There is no "right" for him not to come out. I pretty much think that it how it is in all prisons in all countries. If Joe wants to fight with the Pete and Spot, he made the choice.

excellent point. Im sure it will be scoffed at or ignored. But you hit it right on the head. Some people are so desparately looking for a victim to 'save' they miss the obvious.

HunterandHunted

What about using Badgers? Or Wolverines? Much more fun.....