U.S.: Attack Dogs Used Against Prisoners

wendy1976

typical amarican statement ...you think everything you do is better then in other countrys.But tell me if you are doing so great why do you need dogs to keep your prisoners in line?

Also the k9 trainers here in holland might be a litlle more reallistic and not so full of their own now how and that might able them to say that even if they train dogs really wel it wil always have a risk.

BarkingDogs

Puck78 wrote:

you're right, it's not torture, it's disneyland:
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/iraq-torture-dogs-thumb.jpg

...do you have the minimum idea of the psycological traumas that this kind of torture gives? Have you ever read/heard any witnesses from tortured people? I guess not...
I think that uoi have to decide: or prisons are made to avoid that certain people should committ crimes again, or are made for your revenge against them.
If you think that they are made for revenge, then don't come and say that the usa attacked iraq to bring there Human Rights, because it seems to me that the level of Human Rights violations in the US jails are the same that were in Iraq in the Saddam period

what is the problem here girls....THESE ARE PRISONERS....THEY ARE NOT OBEYING ORDERS....WHAT THE HELL SHOULD THE GAURDS DO!

maybe they should go in,, hug the prisoner, tell him everything in life is rosey cause amesty international has got his back...give him some warm milk and cookies and tell its ok, we didnt want you to really come out of the cell anyway....AND AS THE GUARD TURNS TO LEAVE HE GETS A SHANK IN THE BACK LEAVING HIS 3 CHILDREN FATHERLESS....

PLEASE GET YOU HEADS OUT OF YER ASSES FOR A CHANGE...

BarkingDogs

wendy1976 wrote:

typical amarican statement ...you think everything you do is better then in other countrys.But tell me if you are doing so great why do you need dogs to keep your prisoners in line?

Also the k9 trainers here in holland might be a litlle more reallistic and not so full of their own now how and that might able them to say that even if they train dogs really wel it wil always have a risk.

so i guess thats why the US public safety system sees thousands of visitors from around the globe each year that come here to learn new and better ways to provide public safety....we by no means are perfect...BUT WE ARE THE BEST!

wendy1976

BarkingDogs wrote:

we by no means are perfect...BUT WE ARE THE BEST!

just look at the news....keep on screaming your the best.Al you come up with is that because some americans say it is true then in other country's must be doing it wrong.Stil have not answerd the question though....if you are the best....why do you need dogs to keep your prisoners in line.

BarkingDogs

wendy1976 wrote:

typical amarican statement ...you think everything you do is better then in other countrys.But tell me if you are doing so great why do you need dogs to keep your prisoners in line?

Also the k9 trainers here in holland might be a litlle more reallistic and not so full of their own now how and that might able them to say that even if they train dogs really wel it wil always have a risk.

yes you are correct ....there is always a risk when handling animals...but the more training the animal undergoes...the more the risk is minmized....the dogs that bit the club goers that you referred to earlier, obvioulsy were not trained to handle large crowd situations and should have never been on the street...in the US dogs would never be placed in an "off leash" situation in a large crowd like that to start with...the large crowd would be controlled by officers on horseback or on foot in riot gear...the handlers of the dogs you refer to are the ones to blame if the dogs were truly "off leash" in a large crowd.

BarkingDogs

wendy1976 wrote:

just look at the news....keep on screaming your the best.Al you come up with is that because some americans say it is true then in other country's must be doing it wrong.Stil have not answerd the question though....if you are the best....why do you need dogs to keep your prisoners in line.

im sorry...didnt realize you couldnt come up with this on your own....the dogs are utilized for officer (human) safety....didnt realize it was that tough of as scenario to understand...

wendy1976

BarkingDogs wrote:

im sorry...didnt realize you couldnt come up with this on your own....the dogs are utilized for officer (human) safety....didnt realize it was that tough of as scenario to understand...

please do not treat me like a litlle kid just because i see things different then you do...But i wil bite.If your officers are trained to be the BEST and everybody from over the world wants to learn from them.....howe come they need k9 teeth to protect them?

Puck78

BarkingDogs wrote:

what is the problem here girls....THESE ARE PRISONERS....THEY ARE NOT OBEYING ORDERS....WHAT THE HELL SHOULD THE GAURDS DO!

maybe they should go in,, hug the prisoner, tell him everything in life is rosey cause amesty international has got his back...give him some warm milk and cookies and tell its ok, we didnt want you to really come out of the cell anyway....AND AS THE GUARD TURNS TO LEAVE HE GETS A SHANK IN THE BACK LEAVING HIS 3 CHILDREN FATHERLESS....

PLEASE GET YOU HEADS OUT OF YER ASSES FOR A CHANGE...

*yawn*, next one, please

BarkingDogs wrote:

so i guess thats why the US public safety system sees thousands of visitors from around the globe each year that come here to learn new and better ways to provide public safety....we by no means are perfect...BUT WE ARE THE BEST!

indeed, 2% of the population of the US is in prison. Beautiful safe country...

BarkingDogs

wendy1976 wrote:

please do not treat me like a litlle kid just because i see things different then you do...But i wil bite.If your officers are trained to be the BEST and everybody from over the world wants to learn from them.....howe come they need k9 teeth to protect them?

you ever bean assualted (physically and verbally), been spit on, had feces slung at you?....ever worked on violent felons in a maximum security prison?....ever feared for your life while you were trying to help the victim of a violent crime? ever transported a murderer in your ambulance? ever dealt with a non compliant prisoner that didnt repsond to the nightstick and pepper spray?
well sister...i can answer yes to all of the above....and until you can walk in a police oficers shoes for even just a couple of hours....dont you dare have the nerve to sit there in your fantasy world and repeatedly ask me why an officer would need a dog when YOUR DAMN QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY IN THIS FORUM....IM DONE WITH YOU...BACK TO YER WOODEN SHOE FANTASY LAND

BarkingDogs

Puck78 wrote:

*yawn*, next one, please


indeed, 2% of the population of the US is in prison. Beautiful safe country...

this is why i will always have a job in public safety....YOU CAN'T CURE STOOOOPID.

wendy1976

BarkingDogs wrote:

you ever bean assualted (physically and verbally), been spit on, had feces slung at you?....ever worked on violent felons in a maximum security prison?....ever feared for your life while you were trying to help the victim of a violent crime? ever transported a murderer in your ambulance? ever dealt with a non compliant prisoner that didnt repsond to the nightstick and pepper spray?
well sister...i can answer yes to all of the above....and until you can walk in a police oficers shoes for even just a couple of hours....dont you dare have the nerve to sit there in your fantasy world and repeatedly ask me why an officer would need a dog when YOUR DAMN QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY IN THIS FORUM....IM DONE WITH YOU...BACK TO YER WOODEN SHOE FANTASY LAND

You know we have some great anger management classes here in holland,maybe you can learn something from us over here in our wooden shoe fantasyland.

redrock

BarkingDogs wrote:

...YOUR DAMN QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY IN THIS FORUM....IM DONE WITH YOU...BACK TO YER WOODEN SHOE FANTASY LAND

Well, well, well... I wonder where this notion of violent/'heavy'/aggressive american police officers comes from??????

BarkingDogs

wendy1976 wrote:

You know we have some great anger management classes here in holland,maybe you can learn something from us over here in our wooden shoe fantasyland.

i dont have anger management issues...im just sick and tired of me and my friends being verbally attacked (or sued) for trying to do our jobs by making this country a safer place to live...people that have no idea what its like on the streets try and dictate how we perform our jobs.. i never said the US was perfect...we have a boatload of sick twisted individuals raoming the streets...but unfortunately some people seem to beleive the thugs and criminals have as many rights as the rest of the law abiding citizens....they (criminals) gave up their rights the second they broke the law...period....
be sure to give everyone back in holland a big hug for me...

Puck78

BarkingDogs wrote:

YOUR DAMN QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY IN THIS FORUM....IM DONE WITH YOU...BACK TO YER WOODEN SHOE FANTASY LAND

lovely

BarkingDogs wrote:

but unfortunately some people seem to beleive the thugs and criminals have as many rights as the rest of the law abiding citizens....they (criminals) gave up their rights the second they broke the law...period....

so, or you tell lies when you say that you work for "some security", or your country doesn't give any legal background to people working for "some security", considered that it looks like that you ignore any law protecting jailed people. In the second case your country is far behind countries like Albania, etc, that instead give training to people working for the police...

BarkingDogs

redrock wrote:

Well, well, well... I wonder where this notion of violent/'heavy'/aggressive american police officers comes from??????

it comes from the fact that there are some bad cops out there...just like there are bad postal employees and angry mcdonalds employees...you just cant stop some people from acting like a moron...but if you had bothered to do more than skim this forum, you would have seen that the previous poster's quesiton had been aswered by myself and probable no less than 15 other people on this forum...but in typical brit fashion..you only skimmed the surface and chose to make a statement based on something you probably know very little about...other than what you see in the papers or on the news...just so you can take a poke at the "shitty americans"....

wendy1976

BarkingDogs wrote:

i dont have anger management issues...im just sick and tired of me and my friends being verbally attacked (or sued) for trying to do our jobs by making this country a safer place to live...people that have no idea what its like on the streets try and dictate how we perform our jobs.. i never said the US was perfect...we have a boatload of sick twisted individuals raoming the streets...but unfortunately some people seem to beleive the thugs and criminals have as many rights as the rest of the law abiding citizens....they (criminals) gave up their rights the second they broke the law...period....
be sure to give everyone back in holland a big hug for me...

i did not verbally attack you.Also i think that police officers are having a really hard job and i have respect for that....what made me react to you was the fact that on your first post you really said that we in holland are nothing compared to your policeforce.On that we have a different oppinion,that is not a crime is it?I just do not see the need for police dogs in a jail that is all i was saying....and am stil saying....right before you started to yell at me.
But ok back to my fantasy land here;)
Stepping out of this discussion.

Collin

BarkingDogs wrote:

i dont have anger management issues...im just sick and tired of me and my friends being verbally attacked (or sued) for trying to do our jobs by making this country a safer place to live...people that have no idea what its like on the streets try and dictate how we perform our jobs.. i never said the US was perfect...we have a boatload of sick twisted individuals raoming the streets...but unfortunately some people seem to beleive the thugs and criminals have as many rights as the rest of the law abiding citizens....they (criminals) gave up their rights the second they broke the law...period....
be sure to give everyone back in holland a big hug for me...

When you think that a stressful job gives you the right to torture people, I think you are not suited to be a law enforcer. I have a great deal of respect for police officers though many have treated me bad, though I've seen some very disturbing things... but I've also seen a lot of good things, things most people don't know about, things that don't involve killers and murders, because really, how many killers does an average police officer encounter.
But I think when you see criminals as people without rights, you are not fit to be a police officer.
I also think you're being an ass, no one here says we should give killers cookies and milk and hug them...

BarkingDogs

Puck78 wrote:

lovely

so, or you tell lies when you say that you work for "some security", or your country doesn't give any legal background to people working for "some security", considered that it looks like that you ignore any law protecting jailed people. In the second case your country is far behind countries like Albania, etc, that instead give training to people working for the police...

so as i asked earlier...how do you get that prisoner out of the cell if he refuse to comply?....simple question...

remember:

nightstick = head injury, broken bones and possible brain damage

taser = possible cardiac arrythmias and head injury secondary to the fall

bean bag gun= internal bleeding and possible cardiac arrythmias secondary to chest wall hit

pepper spray= only minimally effective with non- compliant prisoners ( ie: still a danger to the officer)

so how do we get the prisoner out?
im sure am interested in your suggestions for improving our system.

---

well whats the answer...youve been screeming civil rights violation this whole forum, yet you seem to be mute when asked for suggestions regarding improvement......typical

BarkingDogs

Collin wrote:

When you think that a stressful job gives you the right to torture people, I think you are not suited to be a law enforcer. I have a great deal of respect for police officers though many have treated me bad, though I've seen some very disturbing things... but I've also seen a lot of good things, things most people don't know about, things that don't involve killers and murders, because really, how many killers does an average police officer encounter.
But I think when you see criminals as people without rights, you are not fit to be a police officer.
I also think you're being an ass, no one here says we should give killers cookies and milk and hug them...

thats exactly why im not a cop...im a medic as stated earlier...but thats right ..you girls dont read further than what right in front of you...but i work side by side with the cops and i have been a medic on a swat team...i patch up the aftermath of all these sick criminal that yoiu say have all these rights....ever held a dead 2 year killed by a parent?
as far as im concerned...that parent(killer) has no rights...so once again you are correct... im not suited to be a law enforcement officer...cause that parent (killer) would be dead where they stand and never see the inside of a courtroom (only to be set free by some sick insanity defense or because some cop forgot to read them there rights while they waded through tthe pools of blood and brain matter on the floor)..sometime the truth is ugly and it stings like a son of a bitch...and until we stop trying to afford crimals and thugs the same rights as the law abiding little ole lady that works at the local grocery store...this country will continue to spiral out of control.

Ebizzie

BarkingDogs wrote:

thats exactly why im not a cop...im a medic as stated earlier...but thats right ..you girls dont read further than what right in front of you...but i work side by side with the cops and i have been a medic on a swat team...i patch up the aftermath of all these sick criminal that yoiu say have all these rights....ever held a dead 2 year killed by a parent?
as far as im concerned...that parent(killer) has no rights...so once again you are correct... im not suited to be a law enforcement officer...cause that parent (killer) would be dead where they stand and never see the inside of a courtroom (only to be set free by some sick insanity defense or because some cop forgot to read them there rights while they waded through tthe pools of blood and brain matter on the floor)..sometime the truth is ugly and it stings like a son of a bitch...and until we stop trying to afford crimals and thugs the same rights as the law abiding little ole lady that works at the local grocery store...this country will continue to spiral out of control.

take a look at the autistic beaning thread, they all want the coach who ordered the beaning to "rot in prison", "be put to death", and get raped behind bars. Once you put specific crimes to a specific person, that uber-liberal bleeding heart suddenly disappears. I'm with you, I guarantee that anyone put in the position of dealing with violent criminals would use anything at their disposal to fulfill the responsibilities of their job description while ensuring their own safety. Once they walk in those shoes and realize that Billy Jo Branson is cell 33 was convicted 3 times for assault with a deadly weapon, won't listen to their orders as far as coming out of their cell, I'd guess that they'd believe a highly trained dog would sound like a damn good idea. Those prisoners consider those guards their enemies, much as they thought of their victims as their enemies. They've shown in the past what they will do to those they do not like, trust, or respect. A guard MUST carry that same mentality in order to sustain order.