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It's sort of like pissing on a hornet's nest... if you see some dude do it and get his ass and dick stung by a swarm of the crazy hornet fucks... "Don't Piss On Hornet's Nests" should be the lesson you take away from this observation, right?
I haven't gotten the full story of the Pope's remarks and the context they were given... possibly a better forum would have been in his face to face open discussion about religions with other Muslim and Jewish religious leaders.
rolling on the office floor right now....
I'm loving all of this...the Pope saying shit..the Muslims saying shit....I say go at it some more....Go Pope Go Pope....
A majority of wars and violence through the history of human beings, have been a result of religious differences, religious discrimination or religious inititives.
And don't give me that nonsense that they were not or are not truely religious representitives of their religion. Religion, through it's own very essence and context dictates that religion, is in fact, always politically, socially and financially entertwined, focused and motivated.
You can not seperate religion from it's infleunce on society, politics and financial interests; because religions always direct their context towards all of them.
this is where i disagree with u.
i believe u CAN seperate the essence of a religion from its effects at a given moment in time upon society.
and once u do that, i believe ull realise that it is the people who are to be blamed for using religion as an excuse for their selfish agendas. The Church in the middle ages a great example of this. Christianity in its essence, was not at fault, for the corruption and worse evils by the clergy in their greed for political power and wealth.
Same thing with Islam. It is a doctrine that can be twisted and its text (the Quran) can be read in isolated verses; out of context,leading to lotsa bullshit happening in its name.
But is it Islam's fault? I certainly dont think so.
You might, but I urge u to show some restraint and respect for my beliefs. Or even if u cant afford me that, at least show ME some respect, cos I never harmed u or ur family. No need to call my prophet a pig-fucker. Thats just insensitive and disrespectful.
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i believe u CAN seperate the essence of a religion from its effects at a given moment in time upon society.
You can disagree all you want, but history and current events clearly prove my comments are correct. Sounds good in theory, but in practice, religion always imposes itself into social, political and financial institutions. The content of "Holy Books" always and specifically target these things.
......and once u do that, i believe ull realise that it is the people who are to be blamed for using religion as an excuse for their selfish agendas. The Church in the middle ages a great example of this. Christianity in its essence, was not at fault, for the corruption and worse evils by the clergy in their greed for political power and wealth.
Same thing with Islam. It is a doctrine that can be twisted and its text (the Quran) can be read in isolated verses; out of context,leading to lotsa bullshit happening in its name.
And this is where you miss my point.
Human nature always tramples-over anything else. Thus religion has been, continues to be and probably will always be used as a tool for manipultion and as means for certain individuals to acheive their goals, desires and agendas.
The Clergy and Clerics are the religion. Religion is nothing if not the people who represent the words and context of any particular religion.
You might, but I urge u to show some restraint and respect for my beliefs. Or even if u cant afford me that, at least show ME some respect, cos I never harmed u or ur family. No need to call my prophet a pig-fucker. Thats just insensitive and disrespectful.
Those comments you refer to were designed to prove a point.
Where is a thread started by you (shahril), denouncing, condeming or at least criticizing the outrageous, irrational, unreasonable, incorrectly interpreted and incorrectly comprehended over-reaction by Muslims, from all over the world; to the Pope's speech?
Where is it?
Interstingly, you choose to come in this thread and demand respect from me, for you and your religion. Where's your outrage for all the hateful and violence-advocating words by Muslims, over this speech?
Have you demanded that those whackos stop disrespecting, distorting and misrepresenting your religion and prophet?
Yes, what I said was insensitive.
But no more insensitive than the words of whackos who routinely insult and stereotype Americans and westerners, as a whole. No more than the verbal and physical insults dealt out by Muslims all over the world, to non-believers......on an every day basis.
It's a glaring and dispicable double-standard that Muslims believe everyone else (non-believers) should walk on egg-shells, thread lightly and be ever so cautious with their words and actions; while Muslims believe they are free to berate and insult anyone they choose. And why is that?
Obviously you are not happy with my comments. Is it possible that other non-believers such as myself, are fed up with being insulted by Muslims?
My comments were not intended to disrespect you. They were meant to illustrate a point. I think that was accomplished.
I saw a famous Muslim speak earlier this week on CBS News' Free Speech segment about the Pope's statement. Although she must not be that famous becase I can't remember her name. Anyway, she denounced the Muslim community's protest by encouraging everyone to take the pope's statement in its overall context.
She also said that the Koran contains words that, if taken out of context, would be thought of as atrocities as well. I realize I’m not very specific but I loved what she had to say.
Keep the big door open and everyone will come around.
I saw a famous Muslim speak earlier this week on CBS News' Free Speech segment about the Pope's statement. Although she must not be that famous becase I can't remember her name. Anyway, she denounced the Muslim community's protest by encouraging everyone to take the pope's statement in its overall context.
She also said that the Koran contains words that, if taken out of context, would be thought of as atrocities as well. I realize I’m not very specific but I loved what she had to say.
That's great to hear!! I'm very happy to see that!
The media should make a HUGE deal out of this and replay this interview on every news outlet and media source. It's sorely needed!
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That was great Ozzy ( Black Sabbath)!!
I think Ozzy was a Muslim once, but he got drunk at the pub and forgot he was one.
rolling on the office floor right now....
I'm loving all of this...the Pope saying shit..the Muslims saying shit....I say go at it some more....Go Pope Go Pope....
this is where i disagree with u.
i believe u CAN seperate the essence of a religion from its effects at a given moment in time upon society.
and once u do that, i believe ull realise that it is the people who are to be blamed for using religion as an excuse for their selfish agendas. The Church in the middle ages a great example of this. Christianity in its essence, was not at fault, for the corruption and worse evils by the clergy in their greed for political power and wealth.
Same thing with Islam. It is a doctrine that can be twisted and its text (the Quran) can be read in isolated verses; out of context,leading to lotsa bullshit happening in its name.
But is it Islam's fault? I certainly dont think so.
You might, but I urge u to show some restraint and respect for my beliefs. Or even if u cant afford me that, at least show ME some respect, cos I never harmed u or ur family. No need to call my prophet a pig-fucker. Thats just insensitive and disrespectful.
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You can disagree all you want, but history and current events clearly prove my comments are correct. Sounds good in theory, but in practice, religion always imposes itself into social, political and financial institutions. The content of "Holy Books" always and specifically target these things.
And this is where you miss my point.
Human nature always tramples-over anything else. Thus religion has been, continues to be and probably will always be used as a tool for manipultion and as means for certain individuals to acheive their goals, desires and agendas.
The Clergy and Clerics are the religion. Religion is nothing if not the people who represent the words and context of any particular religion.
My comments in my previous post to you, were clearly focused on all religions. Not just Islam. The subject of religions as a whole.
Those comments you refer to were designed to prove a point.
Where is a thread started by you (shahril), denouncing, condeming or at least criticizing the outrageous, irrational, unreasonable, incorrectly interpreted and incorrectly comprehended over-reaction by Muslims, from all over the world; to the Pope's speech?
Where is it?
Interstingly, you choose to come in this thread and demand respect from me, for you and your religion. Where's your outrage for all the hateful and violence-advocating words by Muslims, over this speech?
Have you demanded that those whackos stop disrespecting, distorting and misrepresenting your religion and prophet?
Yes, what I said was insensitive.
But no more insensitive than the words of whackos who routinely insult and stereotype Americans and westerners, as a whole. No more than the verbal and physical insults dealt out by Muslims all over the world, to non-believers......on an every day basis.
It's a glaring and dispicable double-standard that Muslims believe everyone else (non-believers) should walk on egg-shells, thread lightly and be ever so cautious with their words and actions; while Muslims believe they are free to berate and insult anyone they choose. And why is that?
Obviously you are not happy with my comments. Is it possible that other non-believers such as myself, are fed up with being insulted by Muslims?
My comments were not intended to disrespect you. They were meant to illustrate a point. I think that was accomplished.
She also said that the Koran contains words that, if taken out of context, would be thought of as atrocities as well. I realize I’m not very specific but I loved what she had to say.
That's great to hear!! I'm very happy to see that!
The media should make a HUGE deal out of this and replay this interview on every news outlet and media source. It's sorely needed!
Thanks.
Agreed. The media needs to spread moderation, and reduce its focus on the whacky folks.