Should The Pope Be Killed?

Karas

I have been following it on the internet. I have not seen it on the TV yet. As far as I know he not retracted his comments, though he has said he regrets the reaction. I think it was a strong thing to say. And, although the potential for a holy war is not what anybody wants, I think the leader of the Catholic church should, let it be known that anybody "spreading the faith by the sword" is not in correlation with Catholic beliefs. And i dont think anyone forgets the Crusades, but he is saying that that was wrong, and it will not happen again with Catholocism, and shouldn't happen with Muslims. The pope during the Holocast receives criticism about not standing up against Hitler, even to this day, and now that a Pope is standing up for what the Catholics believe he is still "doing wrong." Catholocism is a powerful machine in this world and if it can be used against something that many regardless of religious following believe to be wrong, than I think that is good. I just hope he stays strong, and that is in many ways dependant on the Catholic Faith staying strong and supporting him. And probably more important than that, the need for other religions to stand in support.


I dont mean to offend anyone, but I do not feel that Holy wars are the answer. In many ways I feel that Holy Wars are a major problem in this World. And for the Pope to say that he is against them, which is basically all he said, then good for him. I was raised Catholic and am living in a Budhist nation, with a Budhist wife but currently am spiritual and not really religious.

I watched many people died, and saw my life in jepardy because of a religious based terrorist group. Do I like the way Pope Benedict went about saying wha the said, it probably could have been better, but do I like the message he sent, I think I do.

Regardless of your religion, or non religion, the Pope is a real person with real powers in that a lot of people listen to what he says. And just because he stepped on a couple toes, and said what millions have said in their own homes, doesnt make him wrong. I thikn he gets a lot of bad wrap because he is the leader of a religious party. I do not follow any religion, but understand the fact that most of this world does. Somebody has to lead them. "The Pope" can not die as long as their are Millions of catholics out there. And Muslim will never die as long as there are Millions (or however many) Muslims out there. And maybe the answer isnt about having them ignore each other even when they strongly disagree about something. I dont know, is Benedict bringing the Catholics into a Holy War ?? Can this war only be faught through words. Are the allies spreading faith through the sword with the war in Iraq ?? Faith is really a way life, right ? Whether it is to follow yourself or follow someone else, you are always moving with belief in someone or something...otherwise you would move in a differant direction...

lamperti77

People need to stop taking figuritive comments literally. Just because the Pope thinks or says something, does not necessarily mean every Catholic agrees with him. Take President Bush for example. He was voted into office but thankfully not every American thinks the same way he does. The world has become filled with people who are just looking for another reason to be angry. There are better things in life that should be looked at rather than the next argument.

If I used the same rationale as the people who shot the nun, I would attempt to kill off every Middle Eastern because they feel and think the same way Osama does. Doesn't make any sense does it??? Didn't think so.

enharmonic

NMyTree wrote:

No, he should not.

The one's who should step down are the ignorant morons calling for his death and the death of anyone who insults Islam. They should be forced out of whatever position they fill, by the intelligent and peaceful Muslims of the world.

What a bunch of vile pieces of shit these people are. These fuckers insult anyone, everyone and everything, on a daily basis. But their ridiculous Islam religion is off limits? Fuck them!


Fuck Islam!

Fuck Muslims!

Fuck Mohammed!!

Mohammed was a pig fucker!

Oh my, look what I said. Goodness gracious.......I should be careful, they'll be blowing up my car:rolleyes:

Surely you're not a Christian.

If the pope cared about Catholicism, he'd step down for fueling the hatred between Christians and Muslims...but he was born into hate, so you can't expect much out of him.

Cosmo

even flow? wrote:

Maybe the pope can have a cage match with whatever the highest ranking Muslim is and the Dali Lama can officiate.

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I was thinking that they have a naked slap and tickle fight... the Pope vs. the Ayatollah.

silent t

I'm not a supporter of the Pope or anything but it almost seems that this violent reaction to his words are cementing the point he was making.

Cosmo

silent t wrote:

I'm not a supporter of the Pope or anything but it almost seems that this violent reaction to his words are cementing the point he was making.

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That's my feeling.
If this Byzantine dude from way back said this... and things haven't changed in several Centuries... why do we continually deal with these crazies? Just buy their fucking oil and be done with it.
It'd be like the crazy fucking guy that owns the olny gas station in a small town... just buy the fucking gas and split. Don't hang around and talk to the guy or tell him how to run his gas station or criticize him, something that'll set him off and smash your windshield with a tire iron... you know the fucking guy is crazy... always has been and alwayws will be... just buy your fucking gas and leave.

rebornFixer

silent t wrote:

I'm not a supporter of the Pope or anything but it almost seems that this violent reaction to his words are cementing the point he was making.

Exactly ... A more restrained, moderate reaction would have served to prove him wrong. To be sure, there are Muslims who realy do want a dialogue with him, and their intentions are probably benign ... Most of them seem to live in North America, mind you, where different values exist.

Purple Hawk

Byrnzie wrote:

The pope shouldn't be killed. Like the Bush administration, and Tony Blair, he should be tarred and feathered and paraded through the streets in a stock, so we can all throw rotten fruit at him and laugh.

That wouldn't be a bad idea...but that clearly violates article 3 of the Geneva Convention.

enharmonic

Purple Hawk wrote:

That wouldn't be a bad idea...but that clearly violates article 3 of the Geneva Convention.

Someone who has done his homework. I appreciate that

bootlegger10

enharmonic wrote:

Surely you're not a Christian.

If the pope cared about Catholicism, he'd step down for fueling the hatred between Christians and Muslims...but he was born into hate, so you can't expect much out of him.

He quoted a centuries old text. Because the Muslims are irrational the Pope is the one to step down, to lose his position? Nonsense. I thought you liberals liked free speech? Ah, YOU didn't like what he said, so free speech doesn't matter anymore.

somebodyelsessky2020

Insane Radical Islam at it again...if the Pope did say it...their reaction pretty much supports the claim..

shahril

NMyTree wrote:

No, he should not.

The one's who should step down are the ignorant morons calling for his death and the death of anyone who insults Islam. They should be forced out of whatever position they fill, by the intelligent and peaceful Muslims of the world.

What a bunch of vile pieces of shit these people are. These fuckers insult anyone, everyone and everything, on a daily basis. But their ridiculous Islam religion is off limits? Fuck them!


Fuck Islam!

Fuck Muslims!

Fuck Mohammed!!

Mohammed was a pig fucker!

Oh my, look what I said. Goodness gracious.......I should be careful, they'll be blowing up my car:rolleyes:

heh...are u a Christian by any chance? cant quite remember cos ive been away for some time
if u are, did Jesus teach u to say these things? Doubt it..

And btw, no the pope should not be killed. Rushdie should not be killed. Those who do call for his death are taking an extreme interpretation of the Quran; taken from a verse that was meant to be read within context. Do some research and maybe u guys would undstand.

I always maintain that Islam has nothing to answer to. The prophet himself said "There are 77 groups of people who claim to be Muslim. Only one is truly Muslim, those who follow my example"

And no it doesnt mean u have to marry a 9 year old.

I think if everyone here takes an objective, non-cynical look on Islam and the Quran lots of misconceptions can be cleared up.

Terrorists, extremists=unIslamic. I may share their grievances but thats abt it.

Drew263

silent t wrote:

I'm not a supporter of the Pope or anything but it almost seems that this violent reaction to his words are cementing the point he was making.

Thank you.....finally someone sees that through all the PC bullshit that has cluttered our minds.

NMyTree

shahril wrote:

heh...are u a Christian by any chance? cant quite remember cos ive been away for some time
if u are, did Jesus teach u to say these things? Doubt it..

And btw, no the pope should not be killed. Rushdie should not be killed. Those who do call for his death are taking an extreme interpretation of the Quran; taken from a verse that was meant to be read within context. Do some research and maybe u guys would undstand.

I always maintain that Islam has nothing to answer to. The prophet himself said "There are 77 groups of people who claim to be Muslim. Only one is truly Muslim, those who follow my example"

And no it doesnt mean u have to marry a 9 year old.

I think if everyone here takes an objective, non-cynical look on Islam and the Quran lots of misconceptions can be cleared up.

Terrorists, extremists=unIslamic. I may share their grievances but thats abt it.

Nope.

Not Christian. Not Catholic. Not Hindu

I'm a human being. Not a religion.

Maybe one day you can learn to be happy and content as a human being, as opposed to a religion.

Collin

NMyTree please explain yourself, because it sounds like you consider religious people as non-human beings, my mistake if that is not what you mean.

NMyTree

Collin wrote:

NMyTree please explain yourself, because it sounds like you consider religious people as non-human beings, my mistake if that is not what you mean.

Incorrect. It's the language barrier, Collin.

It is my opinion that religious people are not happy simply being human beings. They seem to have a need to be part of some sort of mystic, supernatural phenomena or somekind of cosmic magic entity.

I also think it's a sad testament to our species that so many of us require imaginary, supernatural, after-life threats and consequences to behave well and be kind to other human beings and other living creatures, in general.

Ironically, it's their so-called loyalty and "faith" to this imaginary, supernatural magic that leads to human beings acting out in the most violent manner.

It's a paradox of absurdity.

Collin

NMyTree wrote:

Incorrect. It's the language barrier, Collin.

It is my opinion that religious people are not happy simply being human beings. They seem to have a need to be part of some sort of mystic, supernatural phenomena or somekind of cosmic magic entity.

I also think it's a sad testament to our species that so many of us require imaginary, supernatural, after-life threats and consequences to behave well and be kind to other human beings and other living creatures, in general.

Ironically, it's their so-called loyalty and "faith" to this imaginary, supernatural magic that leads to human beings acting out in the most violent manner.

It's a paradox of absurdity.

Yeah I thought I got it wrong:D

I don't entirely agree but I can definitely see your point.

shahril

NMyTree wrote:

Ironically, it's their so-called loyalty and "faith" to this imaginary, supernatural magic that leads to human beings acting out in the most violent manner.

It's a paradox of absurdity.

how do u get around the argument (fact, imho) that the majority of people with religion are peace loving?

NMyTree

shahril wrote:

how do u get around the argument (fact, imho) that the majority of people with religion are peace loving?

Are you kidding me? Peace-loving?

A majority of wars and violence through the history of human beings, have been a result of religious differences, religious discrimination or religious inititives.

And don't give me that nonsense that they were not or are not truely religious representitives of their religion. Religion, through it's own very essence and context dictates that religion, is in fact, always politically, socially and financially entertwined, focused and motivated.

You can not seperate religion from it's infleunce on society, politics and financial interests; because religions always direct their context towards all of them.

even flow?

"Would you like to see the pope on the end of a rope. Do you think he's a fool?"

Damn! Ozzy was on to something back in the day. Maybe he was a Muslim?