Al Gore Might Run Again For President!

farfromglorified

evenkat wrote:

Al Gore still has gotten more votes than any President in US history.

No he hasn't. George Bush has...and that proves the validity of that statistic.

evenkat

farfromglorified wrote:

No he hasn't. George Bush has...and that proves the validity of that statistic.

Well Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and that's a fact.

The validity of the 2004 election is up for debate with the problem and errors with diebold machines...they handed the election to Bush just like they promised.

Going to vote for Hillary now in the Democratic primary .

farfromglorified

evenkat wrote:

Well Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and that's a fact.

Yes, that is a fact.

The validity of the 2004 election is up for debate with the problem and errors with diebold machines...they handed the election to Bush just like they promised.

Good luck finding factual evidence that 12,000,000 (20%) of Bush's votes were "up for debate". That's how many you'd have to remove in order to to get to Al Gore's 2000 number. You'd have to remove 3,000,000 (5%) to get to a Kerry popular vote win.

Going to vote for Hillary now in the Democratic primary .

Good. Please do whatever you can to keep her in New York.

evenkat

farfromglorified wrote:

Good luck finding factual evidence that 12,000,000 (20%) of Bush's votes were "up for debate". That's how many you'd have to remove in order to to get to Al Gore's 2000 number. You'd have to remove 3,000,000 (5%) to get to a Kerry popular vote win.

Good. Please do whatever you can to keep her in New York.

Bush got more votes than there was voters in many areas...this is just Florida alone:

http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

Compare just the counties that had from 80,000-500,000 voters.


Broward County

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.
Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward. Why a voting system would be designed to count backward was a mystery to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman. She was on the phone late Wednesday with Omaha-based Elections Systems and Software.

Collier County

Voter Turnout was 127,409. 128,352 votes were cast for president.

Duval County

Voter Turnout was 379,257. 379,614 votes were cast for president.

Glades County

Voter Turnout was 3,446. 4,188 votes were cast for president.

Highlands County

Voter Turnout was 33,996. 41,491 votes were cast for president.

Lake County

Voter Turnout was 123,751. 123,938 votes were cast for president.

Miami Dade County

Voter Turnout was 716,574. 768,553 votes were cast for president.

Okaloosa County

Voter Turnout was 89,485. 89,707 votes were cast for president.

Orange County

Voter Turnout was 386,104. 387,752 votes were cast for president.

Osceola County

Voter Turnout was 63,589. 82,178 votes were cast for president.

Leon County

Voter Turnout was 136229. 136,314 votes were cast for president.

Palm Beach County

Voter Turnout was 452,061. 542,835 votes were cast for president.

Volusia County

Voter Turnout was 209,052. 228,358 votes were cast for president.

...

Ok how about Wyoming:

Laramie County

Laramie County has 38080 registered voters. They recorded 40108 votes. 39879 votes were cast for president. (I have copy of file saved on my hard drive if they take it offline.)

And what happened here?

West Virginia

Voting stats are compiled here (word document). Statewide, republicans are 30% of the electorate, yet Bush received 56% of the vote. Democrats are 58% of the electorate, and Kerry received 43% of the vote.

...

How about counting some votes twice?

Washington

Grays Harbor County

County Auditor Vern Spatz said the ballots were counted correctly, but approximately 6,200 votes were counted twice because of human error while transferring data to the computer reporting system. The Aberdeen Daily World first reported the re-count on Tuesday. Most of the results that were entered twice were apparently from east Grays Harbor County -- an area which is considered more Republican. The original count had Rossi leading 231 votes. The new preliminary totaling of votes Tuesday shows Gregoire ahead by 277 votes. That’s a total swing of 508 votes.

...

Just add some made up votes for the Republicans and lose some votes for the Democrats. Make it easy for the Republicans to vote and hard for the Democrats:

Pennsylvania

Mercer County

Lark charged that a number of voters may have been disenfranchised by the problems that shut down voting machines for all or most of the day. Some precincts didn't have enough paper ballots for people to fill out, and Lark said he suspects some people didn't bother coming back when a new supply of paper ballots arrived. He had no estimate on how many people may have missed a chance to vote, but he did have some questions Friday about the accuracy of the count coming out of the electronic machines that were working.

Lark cited statistics collected by a poll worker at the Farrell municipal building poll, which showed the voting machine recorded that 289 people cast ballots. The machine, however, recorded a total of 48 votes for U.S. Sen. John Kerry and three votes for George W. Bush in the presidential race. Lark said he finds it difficult to believe that only 51 people out of the 289 who voted actually cast a ballot in the presidential race.

...

http://www.whoscounting.net/Glitches,%20Hitches,%20Anomalies%20and%20Irregularities.htm

Although Election Company officials each insist that their respective electronic voting systems are flawless and accurate within infinitesimal degrees (“under 1% error rate”), actual practice over the years has shown otherwise. In Iowa, in 2000 National Election, 300 ballots were fed into an optical scan machine in one county, which then reported 4 million votes. In 2003, Indiana voting machines count one county at 144,000 votes when there were only 5352 votes (2500% error!). Arizona, 1994, computer error evaporates 826 votes from a Tucson precinct accounting for a 66% error. In Dallas in 1998, a programming error in the tabulator missed over 41,000 votes. In a Texas primary, one county had but 500 ballots, yet the machine counted 800 votes (60% error). The companies’ sales reps refer to these “anomalies” as hitting ‘speed bumps’… They’re obviously not tallied in when figuring that advertised’ under 1% error rate.’

Scripps Howard News Service recently did a post election study, sampling 12,000 ballots. They found that nearly 1 in 10 ballots in the study did not show a vote for President in November, 2004… or whose votes for President never registered. This would extrapolate out to 12 million voters who went to the polls without casting a vote for the President. Compiled below is but a small sampling of the tens of thousands of election problems that have been reported to date.

farfromglorified

evenkat wrote:

Bush got more votes than there was voters in many areas...this is just Florida alone:

http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

Compare just the counties that had from 80,000-500,000 voters.


Broward County

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.
Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward. Why a voting system would be designed to count backward was a mystery to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman. She was on the phone late Wednesday with Omaha-based Elections Systems and Software.

Collier County

Voter Turnout was 127,409. 128,352 votes were cast for president.

Duval County

Voter Turnout was 379,257. 379,614 votes were cast for president.

Glades County

Voter Turnout was 3,446. 4,188 votes were cast for president.

Highlands County

Voter Turnout was 33,996. 41,491 votes were cast for president.

Lake County

Voter Turnout was 123,751. 123,938 votes were cast for president.

Miami Dade County

Voter Turnout was 716,574. 768,553 votes were cast for president.

Okaloosa County

Voter Turnout was 89,485. 89,707 votes were cast for president.

Orange County

Voter Turnout was 386,104. 387,752 votes were cast for president.

Osceola County

Voter Turnout was 63,589. 82,178 votes were cast for president.

Leon County

Voter Turnout was 136229. 136,314 votes were cast for president.

Palm Beach County

Voter Turnout was 452,061. 542,835 votes were cast for president.

Volusia County

Voter Turnout was 209,052. 228,358 votes were cast for president.

...

Ok how about Wyoming:

Laramie County

Laramie County has 38080 registered voters. They recorded 40108 votes. 39879 votes were cast for president. (I have copy of file saved on my hard drive if they take it offline.)

And what happened here?

West Virginia

Voting stats are compiled here (word document). Statewide, republicans are 30% of the electorate, yet Bush received 56% of the vote. Democrats are 58% of the electorate, and Kerry received 43% of the vote.

...

How about counting some votes twice?

Washington

Grays Harbor County

County Auditor Vern Spatz said the ballots were counted correctly, but approximately 6,200 votes were counted twice because of human error while transferring data to the computer reporting system. The Aberdeen Daily World first reported the re-count on Tuesday. Most of the results that were entered twice were apparently from east Grays Harbor County -- an area which is considered more Republican. The original count had Rossi leading 231 votes. The new preliminary totaling of votes Tuesday shows Gregoire ahead by 277 votes. That’s a total swing of 508 votes.

...

Just add some made up votes for the Republicans and lose some votes for the Democrats. Make it easy for the Republicans to vote and hard for the Democrats:

Pennsylvania

Mercer County

Lark charged that a number of voters may have been disenfranchised by the problems that shut down voting machines for all or most of the day. Some precincts didn't have enough paper ballots for people to fill out, and Lark said he suspects some people didn't bother coming back when a new supply of paper ballots arrived. He had no estimate on how many people may have missed a chance to vote, but he did have some questions Friday about the accuracy of the count coming out of the electronic machines that were working.

Lark cited statistics collected by a poll worker at the Farrell municipal building poll, which showed the voting machine recorded that 289 people cast ballots. The machine, however, recorded a total of 48 votes for U.S. Sen. John Kerry and three votes for George W. Bush in the presidential race. Lark said he finds it difficult to believe that only 51 people out of the 289 who voted actually cast a ballot in the presidential race.

...

http://www.whoscounting.net/Glitches,%20Hitches,%20Anomalies%20and%20Irregularities.htm

Although Election Company officials each insist that their respective electronic voting systems are flawless and accurate within infinitesimal degrees (“under 1% error rate”), actual practice over the years has shown otherwise. In Iowa, in 2000 National Election, 300 ballots were fed into an optical scan machine in one county, which then reported 4 million votes. In 2003, Indiana voting machines count one county at 144,000 votes when there were only 5352 votes (2500% error!). Arizona, 1994, computer error evaporates 826 votes from a Tucson precinct accounting for a 66% error. In Dallas in 1998, a programming error in the tabulator missed over 41,000 votes. In a Texas primary, one county had but 500 ballots, yet the machine counted 800 votes (60% error). The companies’ sales reps refer to these “anomalies” as hitting ‘speed bumps’… They’re obviously not tallied in when figuring that advertised’ under 1% error rate.’

Scripps Howard News Service recently did a post election study, sampling 12,000 ballots. They found that nearly 1 in 10 ballots in the study did not show a vote for President in November, 2004… or whose votes for President never registered. This would extrapolate out to 12 million voters who went to the polls without casting a vote for the President. Compiled below is but a small sampling of the tens of thousands of election problems that have been reported to date.

Ok. Let's pretend all of these problems were specific only to George Bush. And let's deduct all these votes from his total and leave John Kerry as is. George Bush still wins the popular vote.

Look, voting machines are bad. They fuck up all the time and they fuck up for both parties. Let's fix them. George Bush is not responsible for voting machines. Local county and state offices are responsible for those machines.

Pearl Jam and toast

farfromglorified wrote:

Ok. Let's pretend all of these problems were specific only to George Bush. And let's deduct all these votes from his total and leave John Kerry as is. George Bush still wins the popular vote.

Look, voting machines are bad. They fuck up all the time and they fuck up for both parties. Let's fix them. George Bush is not responsible for voting machines. Local county and state offices are responsible for those machines.

Exactly.

John Kerry lost because he was a lowsy candidate representing a party that has it's head up it's own ass.

Sure the repubs are far more evil, but at least they can run a goddamn campaign and debate.

Democrats almost seem to seek out the response in arguments that is the worst possible answer.. it's a trend i've noticed the last few years.. Kind of thing that leaves me yelling at the screen.. "WHY THE HELL DID YOU SAY THAT YOU SHIT THROWING MONKEY?!".... :rolleyes:

Pearl Jam and toast

farfromglorified wrote:

No he hasn't. George Bush has...and that proves the validity of that statistic.

wasn't that reagan... ?

or are we talking actual numbers? (which would be stupid because what really matters in that kind of thing is % )

farfromglorified

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

wasn't that reagan... ?

No, it's Bush. It's a stupid statistic. The person who gets "the most presidential votes in history" is pretty much always the last guy to win the popular vote because the population grows so more people vote each election.

or are we talking actual numbers? (which would be stupid because what really matters in that kind of thing is % )

I don't remember who has the biggest popular vote % ever. FDR maybe?? I think Reagan does hold the Electoral record though (Mondale won only one state in 84).

You could figure it out here:

http://uselectionatlas.org/

DCGARDEN

Maybe Gore can take Lieberman as his running mate

Oh wait......He was for removing Sadamm Hussein before we removed him...and he ....oh my god.....still for the removal of Sadamm Hussein......
He can't be a democrat

evenkat

DCGARDEN wrote:

Maybe Gore can take Lieberman as his running mate

Oh wait......He was for removing Sadamm Hussein before we removed him...and he ....oh my god.....still for the removal of Sadamm Hussein......
He can't be a democrat

'Removal of Saddam' is not the same as 'staying the course'. I think all Americans were happy with the removal of Saddam from power. It's the fact that the Bush Administration has failed with the aftereffects of removing a government leaving Iraq unstable, a haven for terrorists and even more dangerous then before. Meanwhile Bin Laden is free.

acroyear

God, please let AL Gore run again.. that would be a blessing for the Republicans..

world

I remember after one of the Democrat Nomination debates in '04 the Daily Show announced that Bush has won the National Election. Thats how stupid the Democrats looked.

IWishIWasASailor

My god some of you would sleep with any dog.

Al Gore? The same Al Gore that has and always will support censorship?

Al fucking Gore.

rarghrargh-brownstar

world wrote:

What do I sign if Im FOR rape and murder?

do you think he is FOR rape and murder like you?

edit: oh, only if he is trying to prove a point i.e. involving opposite (negative) viewpoint equating with raising philanthropy and awareness to an existing cause.


its easy to take that literally at first. ^ quoted text.