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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From NY Times:
    AUSTIN, Texas — A jury in Texas awarded the parents of a child killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School more than $4 million in compensatory damages from the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defaming them by spreading lies that they were complicit in a government plot to stage the shooting as a pretext for gun control.

    And more trials to come.  Nail that S.O.B.

    I’ve been casually following this, didn’t he say that a $2M settlement would “break them” meaning his Info Wars org? 

    I haven't heard that but I can't imagine that to be.  Jones at times has made 10's of thousands of dollars per day at times.  I'm guessing he has tons of money stashed away.  In any case, I hope these court cased sink this disgusting cretin of a human being.
    Is referring to him as a "human being" being too nice?

    100's of thousands Brian.

    one disclosed email revealed in one day the company made 800k.

    Thank you for the correction, M!  I do remember the numbers being 100's of thousands.

    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From NY Times:
    AUSTIN, Texas — A jury in Texas awarded the parents of a child killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School more than $4 million in compensatory damages from the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defaming them by spreading lies that they were complicit in a government plot to stage the shooting as a pretext for gun control.

    And more trials to come.  Nail that S.O.B.

    I’ve been casually following this, didn’t he say that a $2M settlement would “break them” meaning his Info Wars org? 

    I haven't heard that but I can't imagine that to be.  Jones at times has made 10's of thousands of dollars per day at times.  I'm guessing he has tons of money stashed away.  In any case, I hope these court cased sink this disgusting cretin of a human being.
    Is referring to him as a "human being" being too nice?
    It’s hidden at this point unfortunately and he saw this coming 

    bankruptcy filing made by Free Speech Systems indicated that $62 million in assets had been withdrawn from the company in 2021 and 2022.
    "If you look at the bankruptcy filing, leading up to the declaration of bankruptcy, Alex Jones, the sole owner [of Free Speech Systems], took $62 million in draws in 2021 and 2022," Moshenberg told CNN. "Just straight up draws. That's why the company has few assets."

    the punitive damages should come in far higher. I doubt the families will ever see a dime.  

    I would not be surprised if his money is stashed, but I really hope those families at least get some kind of compensation.  B
    But regardless, how in the hell do you compensate parents who lost there kids and then had these kinds of lies about them spread around.  I can't even begin to imagine the pain he inflicted on these families. 
    That man is pure evil.
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    edited August 4
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From NY Times:
    AUSTIN, Texas — A jury in Texas awarded the parents of a child killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School more than $4 million in compensatory damages from the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defaming them by spreading lies that they were complicit in a government plot to stage the shooting as a pretext for gun control.

    And more trials to come.  Nail that S.O.B.

    I’ve been casually following this, didn’t he say that a $2M settlement would “break them” meaning his Info Wars org? 

    I haven't heard that but I can't imagine that to be.  Jones at times has made 10's of thousands of dollars per day at times.  I'm guessing he has tons of money stashed away.  In any case, I hope these court cased sink this disgusting cretin of a human being.
    Is referring to him as a "human being" being too nice?

    100's of thousands Brian.

    one disclosed email revealed in one day the company made 800k.

    Thank you for the correction, M!  I do remember the numbers being 100's of thousands.

    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From NY Times:
    AUSTIN, Texas — A jury in Texas awarded the parents of a child killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School more than $4 million in compensatory damages from the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defaming them by spreading lies that they were complicit in a government plot to stage the shooting as a pretext for gun control.

    And more trials to come.  Nail that S.O.B.

    I’ve been casually following this, didn’t he say that a $2M settlement would “break them” meaning his Info Wars org? 

    I haven't heard that but I can't imagine that to be.  Jones at times has made 10's of thousands of dollars per day at times.  I'm guessing he has tons of money stashed away.  In any case, I hope these court cased sink this disgusting cretin of a human being.
    Is referring to him as a "human being" being too nice?
    It’s hidden at this point unfortunately and he saw this coming 

    bankruptcy filing made by Free Speech Systems indicated that $62 million in assets had been withdrawn from the company in 2021 and 2022.
    "If you look at the bankruptcy filing, leading up to the declaration of bankruptcy, Alex Jones, the sole owner [of Free Speech Systems], took $62 million in draws in 2021 and 2022," Moshenberg told CNN. "Just straight up draws. That's why the company has few assets."

    the punitive damages should come in far higher. I doubt the families will ever see a dime.  

    I would not be surprised if his money is stashed, but I really hope those families at least get some kind of compensation.  B
    But regardless, how in the hell do you compensate parents who lost there kids and then had these kinds of lies about them spread around.  I can't even begin to imagine the pain he inflicted on these families. 
    That man is pure evil.
    I agree he’s a POS

    its probably  going to be another Goldman family chasing OJ around for decades trying to get the money they are owed type of situation 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From NY Times:
    AUSTIN, Texas — A jury in Texas awarded the parents of a child killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School more than $4 million in compensatory damages from the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defaming them by spreading lies that they were complicit in a government plot to stage the shooting as a pretext for gun control.

    And more trials to come.  Nail that S.O.B.

    I’ve been casually following this, didn’t he say that a $2M settlement would “break them” meaning his Info Wars org? 

    I haven't heard that but I can't imagine that to be.  Jones at times has made 10's of thousands of dollars per day at times.  I'm guessing he has tons of money stashed away.  In any case, I hope these court cased sink this disgusting cretin of a human being.
    Is referring to him as a "human being" being too nice?

    100's of thousands Brian.

    one disclosed email revealed in one day the company made 800k.

    Thank you for the correction, M!  I do remember the numbers being 100's of thousands.

    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    From NY Times:
    AUSTIN, Texas — A jury in Texas awarded the parents of a child killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School more than $4 million in compensatory damages from the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defaming them by spreading lies that they were complicit in a government plot to stage the shooting as a pretext for gun control.

    And more trials to come.  Nail that S.O.B.

    I’ve been casually following this, didn’t he say that a $2M settlement would “break them” meaning his Info Wars org? 

    I haven't heard that but I can't imagine that to be.  Jones at times has made 10's of thousands of dollars per day at times.  I'm guessing he has tons of money stashed away.  In any case, I hope these court cased sink this disgusting cretin of a human being.
    Is referring to him as a "human being" being too nice?
    It’s hidden at this point unfortunately and he saw this coming 

    bankruptcy filing made by Free Speech Systems indicated that $62 million in assets had been withdrawn from the company in 2021 and 2022.
    "If you look at the bankruptcy filing, leading up to the declaration of bankruptcy, Alex Jones, the sole owner [of Free Speech Systems], took $62 million in draws in 2021 and 2022," Moshenberg told CNN. "Just straight up draws. That's why the company has few assets."

    the punitive damages should come in far higher. I doubt the families will ever see a dime.  

    I would not be surprised if his money is stashed, but I really hope those families at least get some kind of compensation.  B
    But regardless, how in the hell do you compensate parents who lost there kids and then had these kinds of lies about them spread around.  I can't even begin to imagine the pain he inflicted on these families. 
    That man is pure evil.
    I agree he’s a POS

    its probably  going to be another Goldman family chasing OJ around for decades trying to get the money they are owed type of situation 

    Yes and, sadly, yes.
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
    -John Densmore











  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    now they has been and will continue to be he's a victim and the 1st amendment is under attack.

    funny thing though, the text of the amendment says nothing about consequences of speech from private citizens.....


     
    Alex Jones ordered to pay $49.3M total over Sandy Hook lies
    By JIM VERTUNO
    13 mins ago

    AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Texas jury on Friday ordered Infowars’ Alex Jones to pay $49.3 million in total damages to the parents of a first-grader killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, which the conspiracy theorist falsely called a hoax orchestrated by the government in order to tighten U.S. gun laws.

    The amount is less than the $150 million sought by Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, whose 6-year-old son Jesse Lewis was among 19 children and six educators killed in the deadliest classroom shooting in U.S. history.

    The trial is the first time Jones has been held financially liable for peddling lies about the 2012 attack in Newtown, Connecticut.

    Jurors at first awarded Heslin and Lewis $4.1 million in compensatory damages, which Jones called a major victory. But in the final phase of the two-week trial, the same Austin jury came back and tacked on an additional $45.2 million in punitive damages.

    Punitive damages are meant to punish defendants for particularly egregious conduct, beyond monetary compensation awarded to the individuals they hurt. A high punitive award is also seen as a chance for jurors to send a wider societal message and a way to deter others from the same abhorrent conduct in the future.

    Attorneys for the family had urged jurors to hand down a financial punishment that would put Infowars out of business.

    “You have the ability to stop this man from ever doing it again,” Wesley Ball, an attorney for the parents, told the jury.

    It’s unclear how much money Jones and Infowars’ parent company, Free Speech Systems, have.

    An economist hired by the plaintiffs testified that Jones and the company are worth up to $270 million, suggesting that Jones was still making money.

    But Jones testified that any award over $2 million would “sink us.” And Free Speech Systems filed for bankruptcy protection during the trial’s first week.

    Jones still faces two other defamation lawsuits from Sandy Hook families in Texas and Connecticut.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

    AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his company Free Speech Systems are worth up to $270 million, an economist testified Friday to a jury trying to determine if Jones should have to pay punitive damages to the family of a 6-year-old killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings.

    A Texas jury on Thursday ordered conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay more than $4 million in compensatory damages to the parents of a 6-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. (Aug 4)

    The same jury ordered Jones to pay Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis $4.1 million in compensation for defamation. Jurors began considering additional punitive damages Friday as a separate issue. The parents want to punish Jones for a decade of pushing false hoax claims that they say led to a decade of trauma and abuse from the Infowars host's followers.

    Bernard Pettingill, who was hired by the plaintiffs to study Jones’ net worth, said records show that Jones withdrew $62 million for himself in 2021, when default judgments were issued in lawsuits against him.

    “That number represents, in my opinion, a value of a net worth," Pettingill said. "He’s got money put in a bank account somewhere.”

    The money that flows into Jones’ companies eventually funnels its way to him, said Pettingill, who added that he has testified in approximately 1,500 cases during his career.

    “He is a very successful man,” Pettingill said, calling Jones a “maverick” and “revolutionary” for finding ways to monetize his online messaging.

    While the $4.1 million award Thursday was less than the $150 million the parents sought, it marked the first time Jones has been held financially liable for repeatedly claiming that the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history was a hoax perpetrated to try to bring about tighter gun restrictions.

    Mark Bankston, an attorney for Heslin and Lewis, whose 6-year-old son Jesse was among 20 children and six educators killed in the school attack in Newtown, Connecticut, insisted that the $4.1 million compensation award wasn't a disappointment and warned that they would be trying to punish Jones in the next phase.

    “We aren't done yet,” Bankston said Thursday. “After tomorrow, he's going to owe a whole lot more.”

    Another of the plaintiffs' attorneys, Wesley Ball, asked jurors in closing Friday to award an additional $145.9 million, which would bring the total amount in damages to that $150 million target.

    “You are asked to punish Alex Jones," Ball said. "You are asked to deter Alex Jones from ever doing this awful thing again to another person or another family — to deter anyone who wants to step into his shoes.”

    "Send the message to those who desire to do the same: Speech is free. Lies, you pay for,” he said.

    But Jones' lawyers said their client has already learned his lesson, and asked for lenience. The jury's punishment should be less than $300,000, attorney Andino Reynal said.

    “You’ve already sent a message. A message for the first time to a talk show host, to all talk show hosts, that their standard of care has to change," Reynal said.

    Jones still faces two other defamation lawsuits from Sandy Hook families in Texas and Connecticut that put his personal wealth and media empire in jeopardy.

    Jones — who was in the courtroom briefly Friday but left before Pettingill's testimony — told jurors earlier this week that any award over $2 million would “sink us." And a week ago, his company Free Speech Systems, which is Infowars' parent company, filed for federal bankruptcy protection.

    Lawyers for the family suing Jones contend that Jones has tried to hide evidence of his true wealth and have sued him claiming he's tried to hide money in various shell companies.

    During his testimony, Jones was confronted with a memo from one of his business managers outlining a single day's gross revenue of $800,000 from selling vitamin supplements and other products through his website, which would approach nearly $300 million in a year. Jones called it a record sales day.

    Jones, who has portrayed the lawsuit as an attack on his First Amendment rights, conceded during the trial that the attack was “100% real” and that he was wrong to have lied about it. But Heslin and Lewis told jurors that an apology wouldn’t suffice and called on them to make Jones pay for the years of suffering he has put them and other Sandy Hook families through.

    The parents told jurors about how they’ve endured a decade of trauma, inflicted first by the murder of their son and what followed: gun shots fired at a home, online and phone threats, and harassment on the street by strangers. They said the threats and harassment were all fueled by Jones and his conspiracy theory spread to his followers via his website Infowars.

    A forensic psychiatrist testified that the parents suffer from “complex post-traumatic stress disorder” inflicted by ongoing trauma, similar to what might be experienced by a soldier at war or a child abuse victim.

    Throughout the trial, Jones has been his typically bombastic self, talking about conspiracies on the witness stand, during impromptu press conferences and on his show. His erratic behavior is unusual by courtroom standards, and the judge has scolded him, telling him at one point: “This is not your show.”

    The trial has drawn attention from outside Austin as well.

    Bankston told the court Thursday that the U.S. House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol has requested records from Jones' phone that Jones' attorneys had mistakenly turned over to the plaintiffs. Bankston later said he planned to comply with the committee's request.

    Last month, the Jan. 6 committee showed graphic and violent text messages and played videos of right-wing figures, including Jones, and others vowing that Jan. 6 would be the day they would fight for Trump.

    The committee first subpoenaed Jones in November, demanding a deposition and documents related to his efforts to spread misinformation about the 2020 election and a rally on the day of the attack.

    ___

    Find AP’s full coverage of the Alex Jones trial at: https://apnews.com/hub/alex-jones



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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    Just in from NY Times:

    A Texas jury on Friday decided that the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones must pay the parents of a child killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting $45.2 million in punitive damages, one day after rendering a $4 million award for compensatory damages.

    The jury announced both awards after several dramatic days in court that included testimony that Mr. Jones and Free Speech Systems, the parent company of his misinformation-peddling media outlet, Infowars, were worth between $135 million and $270 million.


    And this:

    “We ask that you send a very, very simple message and that is: Stop Alex Jones,” Mr. Ball said. “Stop the monetization of misinformation and lies. Please.”


    Yes, please!



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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,376
    has joe rogan chimed in yet? lol
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    edited August 8
    has joe rogan chimed in yet? lol

    not sure I really care
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    has joe rogan chimed in yet? lol

    Won't it be nice when they both become a distant memory one day!
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 26,361
    has joe rogan chimed in yet? lol
    He'll be on a later deleted by Spotify episode any day now.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    edited August 8
    Says it all:

    May be an image of 6 people people standing and text that says  THAT THATPOLLOTS POLLOT You can use your celebrity for good INFO WWARS Or you can be be Alex Jones


    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
     
    Case against Alex Jones can proceed, Connecticut judge says
    Yesterday

    BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (AP) — A federal bankruptcy judge on Monday cleared the way for a defamation lawsuit in Connecticut to proceed against Infowars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

    The case was filed by relatives of some victims of the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Jones has falsely claimed that the nation’s deadliest school shooting — which killed 20 students and six educators — was a hoax.

    Jones’ lawyer had sought to transfer the case to a federal bankruptcy court, rather than continue the case in Connecticut state court. That move brought the first day of jury selection to a sudden halt earlier this month.

    However, Monday's ruling by Judge Julie Manning essentially allows the plaintiffs to continue the defamation lawsuit against just Jones as an individual, without Free Speech Systems, a company owned by Jones and a defendant in the Connecticut case.

    “The plaintiffs’ rights to have that process continue in the Connecticut Superior Court should not be disturbed,” Manning wrote in the decision, adding that the plaintiffs’ claims for damages were ready for trial.

    A message was left seeking comment with Jones’ attorney, Norm Pattis.


    continues....


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