Hugo Chavez

rebornFixer

jeffbr wrote:

Good thing you started a new thread about this. The post was way too important to be put into one of the other few threads on the subject. :rolleyes:

No shit ... Kudos to everyone who is keeping the intellectual quality of the posts so high.

rebornFixer

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Chavez was democratically elected 6 times, he is not a dictator.

Don't be foolish ...
Seriously. There were a bunch of links posted in the other Chavez threads.

TheVoiceInside

reborncareerist wrote:

Don't be foolish ...
Seriously. There were a bunch of links posted in the other Chavez threads.

Oh sorry I forgot, you have all the answeres.

rebornFixer

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Oh sorry I forgot, you have all the answeres.

Well, are you here to actually learn something or not?
I never said that I had all the answers.

TheVoiceInside

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, are you here to actually learn something or not?
I never said that I had all the answers.

Look theres alot that has been written about Chavez. I cannot possibly make any conclusions on his goverment. A lot of people lost alot of money because of him so they will do evrything to descredit him. That means that i have to questions certain articles. Also there are many sources that back Chavez and I also question them. There are too many interest around this character making it very difficult for me too judge him. Maybe if I lived in Venezuela I might hve a better idea of the situation.

Open

browneyedgrl wrote:

I have asked this question before but nobody seems to have a straight answer.

If you hate this country, what it stands for, our President, and defend a pig like Chavez, an idiot like Chavez, and more of a devil than Bush can ever be, Fidel...why do you remain here in the U.S.? Why not move to Venezuela where everything is peachy keen? Where you can live under the ideals of a man you so respect?

Why not move to Cuba? Share in the Revolutionary beliefs and enjoy that communist regime you so admire?

Please someone reply without using the customary..."You soo stupid" or "What the hell you talkin' bout?" or the always common "well, ,just because".


Of those of you who are always dissing this "Imperialistic" country, why don;t you just leave?

Bush IS NOT responsible for what is good in this country....this whole "dont like it then leave" mentality is very childish. The great thing about this country is that if you dont like what's going on you dont have to leave, you can do something about it, and DISCUSS it.

rebornFixer

Open wrote:

Bush IS NOT responsible for what is good in this country....this whole "dont like it then leave" mentality is very childish. The great thing about this country is that if you dont like what's going on you dont have to leave, you can do something about it, and DISCUSS it.

Agreed ... But unfavorable comparisons to places like Venezuela just invite the "love it or leave it" kind of response. It is easy to forget that Bush, for all his faults, has not succeeded in making the U.S. as politically or personally restrictive as countries governed by people like Chavez. Is Chavez allowed to criticize? Of course ... But that doesn't obscure the fact that he's still a dangerous man hiding behind a Socialist facade, and the fact that Bush is not a dictator, because the system won't permit it.

Open

I know what you mean, my response geared towards the "dont like it leave" mentality. That always gets me b/c it's such a lazy question (no offense to the poster, i've heard that alot, living in texas). I honestly havent read up on Chavez, so i wont comment about him. Gotta run, Cheers to a good Saturday night.

Bathgate66

Top Ten Signs Hugo Chavez Is Nuts

10. Concludes tense negotiations by dramatically asking, "Deal or no deal?"

9. Said Bush left behind smell of sulphur, when the smell is actually Old Spice and Milwaukee's Best

8. Opens every speech with a rousing, "Meeeeoooow!"

7. On flight over, watched all of Larry the Cable Guy movie

6. Son-of-a-bitch is eating tainted spinach like it's M&Ms

5. Told Geico he wasn't interested in saving 15% on car insurance

4. Despite security warnings, brought hair gel with him on airplane

3. 20-minute speech attacking Bush -- 30-minute speech praising Ventriloquist Week on the Late Show

2. Referred to his home country only as "Funkytown"

1. For some reason, called Bush the devil instead of Cheney

jsand

Pickr wrote:

Protest is Patriotism

Since when? Who said this, besides liberals trying to rationalize their actions?

jsand

Open wrote:

this whole "dont like it then leave" mentality is very childish.

As childish as the "If you support the war, sign up for the army" mentality?

RainDog

jsand wrote:

As childish as the "If you support the war, sign up for the army" mentality?

Exactly. So, do you agree with the "if you don't like it, then leave" meme?

RainDog

jsand wrote:

Since when? Who said this, besides liberals trying to rationalize their actions?

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.” - Thomas Jefferson

Byrnzie

browneyedgrl wrote:

IIf you hate this country, what it stands for, our President, and defend a pig like Chavez, an idiot like Chavez, and more of a devil than Bush can ever be, Fidel...why do you remain here in the U.S.?

Of those of you who are always dissing this "Imperialistic" country, why don;t you just leave?

So you equate America with the Bush administration then? They are one and the same thing in your opinion? If someone criticises the President then they are also criticising America? That's a strange way of looking at things. I thought that only fascist dictatorships promoted that notion??

Byrnzie

browneyedgrl wrote:

you cannot defend a dictator like Chavez and then in the next breath, say that you love this country. It is senseless.

Chavez is not a dictator. He was voted into power in a democratic process.

jsand

RainDog wrote:

Exactly. So, do you agree with the "if you don't like it, then leave" meme?

No. I'm more of an advocate of "If you don't like it, shut the fuck up" mantra.

jsand

RainDog wrote:

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.” - Thomas Jefferson

And that translates to "protest is patriotism" in your mind? Ok. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how the spirit of this quote has been distorted. You think Jefferson would support Americans who side with Chavez?

RainDog

jsand wrote:

No. I'm more of an advocate of "If you don't like it, shut the fuck up" mantra.

How very unAmerican of you.

Congress shall make no law ....... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

jsand

RainDog wrote:

How very unAmerican of you.

Congress shall make no law ....... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Wow - a verbatim quote from the Constitution. I don't remember advocating that the government impose laws on freedom of speech. 1st Amendment applies to government-imposed restrictions only.

RainDog

jsand wrote:

And that translates to "protest is patriotism" in your mind? Ok. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how the spirit of this quote has been distorted. You think Jefferson would support Americans who side with Chavez?

What part of “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all" don't you understand?