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  • I think its silly that he's being put to death. I know he is responsible for the killing of thousands of lives, but so are most leaders. Killing Saddem is like killing Captain Hook or Lex Luther. What would the world be like without them?.. the guy used to go fishing with hand grenades. I hate to make light of it, but its kind of funny. Can't we just let him live in jail?

    Would you say the same for Goehring?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Tremorvoid

    Go ahead and tell me what your thesis is about.

    When ever you get around to publishing it, if it hasn't been ripped to shreds, I'll take a look at it.

    Certainly it's not about determinism/indeterminism because you don't have a clue.

    Anyway, I don't care how big your dick is, I have a concrete understanding of reality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not innate. Go ahead and study Dev. Psych.



    There is nothing anyone can't understand. Best you remember that.



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    im a developmental cell biologist. i think i got a pretty good idea what innate means. besides the fact that i know myself and how my brain works and how its been since i was a kid...and that it almost frightens my dad how similar our minds work. trust me. its not normal. and its not common.

    and as far as "there is nothing anyone cant understand"....ive been a teacher for 4 years...at the college level...and trust me....there are a LOT of people who dont know their own head from their ass. I have also associated with many "common folks" thru our family business and thru volunteering with less forunate people...and honestly....many people on this board....and it shocks the shit outta me how its even possible to lack such simple common sense on some things....let alone the ability to think on a molecular level.

    im done with this. some people are just so fuckin...AHHH...
    Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
    To find an approach and a way to live
    Are we getting something out of this
    all-encompassing trip?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tremorvoid wrote:
    im a developmental cell biologist. i think i got a pretty good idea what innate means. besides the fact that i know myself and how my brain works and how its been since i was a kid...and that it almost frightens my dad how similar our minds work. trust me. its not normal. and its not common.

    and as far as "there is nothing anyone cant understand"....ive been a teacher for 4 years...at the college level...and trust me....there are a LOT of people who dont know their own head from their ass. I have also associated with many "common folks" thru our family business and thru volunteering with less forunate people...and honestly....many people on this board....and it shocks the shit outta me how its even possible to lack such simple common sense on some things....let alone the ability to think on a molecular level.

    im done with this. some people are just so fuckin...AHHH...

    So you study cell cleavage and shit? Big fucking deal. That means literally jack shit when we are discussing the nature of human behavior.

    I'll debate you until you fucking puke, free-will is a myth!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • dkst0426dkst0426 Posts: 523
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Lame
    Telling you what just happened as heard on the news is lame?

    People like you crack me up. No biggie--no need to let your misery become a part of my life.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    dkst0426 wrote:
    Telling you what just happened as heard on the news is lame?

    People like you crack me up. No biggie--no need to let your misery become a part of my life.

    No, sorry. The news is lame. Not your telling it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Tremorvoid

    Go ahead and tell me what your thesis is about.

    When ever you get around to publishing it, if it hasn't been ripped to shreds, I'll take a look at it.

    Certainly it's not about determinism/indeterminism because you don't have a clue.

    Anyway, I don't care how big your dick is, I have a concrete understanding of reality.

    no thanks. and ive already co-authored 2 papers, but telling you or posting on this board where to find them would be giving out my full name and advisors name and my contact info. stuff that i keep private from a little message board. go read in journals like "cell" or "the journal of cell biology"...if you want a glimpse into the broad discipline of cell biology.

    and no its not about big words that you like to throw around that are not relevant to anything that has to do with "reality".....its about true reality...true science...not philosophical debate that cannot be proven.

    and guess what....im a woman and my dick is still bigger than yours! ;)
    later crazy dude
    Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
    To find an approach and a way to live
    Are we getting something out of this
    all-encompassing trip?
  • “It’s the idea that people living close to nature tend to be noble. It’s seeing all those sunsets that does it. You can’t watch a sunset and then go off and set fire to your neighbor’s tepee. Living close to nature is wonderful for your mental health.”

    Daniel Quinn
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tremorvoid wrote:
    no thanks. and ive already co-authored 2 papers, but telling you or posting on this board where to find them would be giving out my full name and advisors name and my contact info. stuff that i keep private from a little message board. go read in journals like "cell" or "the journal of cell biology"...if you want a glimpse into the broad discipline of cell biology.

    and no its not about big words that you like to throw around that are not relevant to anything that has to do with "reality".....its about true reality...true science...not philosophical debate that cannot be proven.

    and guess what....im a woman and my dick is still bigger than yours! ;)
    later crazy dude

    lol, I've given my complete name out, but hey, I'm not a chicken shit.

    I understand a great amount of Cell Biology, I've probably even read one of your papers already.

    My beliefs are grounded in reality, in real science, free-will is grounded in philosophy. That's my point. If you want to debate the science of determinism, I'm there. I have the proof.

    Your dick isn't bigger than mine, but your ego certainly is.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

  • yes good link....too bad some people on here think that this is okay to do...or they are so forgiving of someone who would do that....

    eye for an eye....
    Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
    To find an approach and a way to live
    Are we getting something out of this
    all-encompassing trip?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tremorvoid wrote:
    yes good link....too bad some people on here think that this is okay to do...or they are so forgiving of someone who would do that....

    eye for an eye....

    Eye for an eye doesn't accomplish anything! It's seriously flawed.

    If you are making a biblical reference, remember "Eye for an eye" was the old testament, the new testament reads "Turn the other cheek".
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    lol, I've given my complete name out, but hey, I'm not a chicken shit.

    I understand a great amount of Cell Biology, I've probably even read one of your papers already.

    My beliefs are grounded in reality, in real science, free-will is grounded in philosophy. That's my point. If you want to debate the science of determinism, I'm there. I have the proof.

    Your dick isn't bigger than mine, but your ego certainly is.

    giving your complete name out on a message board doesnt mean youre just not chicken shit...it means you are a fool.

    if you know so much about cell biology or "the science of determinism" why dont you go to school and get a degree so that people MIGHT think you know what youre talking about. or maybe you tried and just didnt make the cut so you compensate for your shortcomings by reading every misc piece of info out there just to throw it in peoples faces....cause thats all ive seen from you for the past couple months that ive noticed you...none of it is logical...and all of it makes me laugh...i wouldnt want to debate with you ever...sure youd think youd win....but by default because i cannot compete with incoherant looneys.

    and by the way youve been ranting your shit lately...im quite certain your ego is bigger than mine. mine only came out when challenged...and well i know im pretty damn smart...its not my ego...its just nature. ;)
    Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
    To find an approach and a way to live
    Are we getting something out of this
    all-encompassing trip?
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Eye for an eye doesn't accomplish anything! It's seriously flawed.

    If you are making a biblical reference, remember "Eye for an eye" was the old testament, the new testament reads "Turn the other cheek".

    it teaches people a lesson...well at least the ones who are capable of learning a lesson. you commit a crime...i think that same crime should be commited on you....that way youll know how it feels....or in the case of murder...we will destroy all the pyschopaths out there and maybe JUST MAYBE the world would be a better place.

    and fuck the bible. it may be a reference from there...but its a saying that most people know...
    Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
    To find an approach and a way to live
    Are we getting something out of this
    all-encompassing trip?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tremorvoid wrote:
    giving your complete name out on a message board doesnt mean youre just not chicken shit...it means you are a fool.

    It's not foolish. Why would it be foolish? Nothing is going to happen and if it doesn, what is the difference if I give my name out at the bank or the bar?
    if you know so much about cell biology or "the science of determinism" why dont you go to school and get a degree so that people MIGHT think you know what youre talking about. or maybe you tried and just didnt make the cut so you compensate for your shortcomings by reading every misc piece of info out there just to throw it in peoples faces....cause thats all ive seen from you for the past couple months that ive noticed you...none of it is logical...and all of it makes me laugh...i wouldnt want to debate with you ever...sure youd think youd win....but by default because i cannot compete with incoherant looneys.

    I'm not interesting in having a piece of paper to wave around claiming I know everything. That's just adding to your arrogance. I know what I've read and what I know, and I know what I don't know, that's true knowledge. Knowledge doesn't come from a piece of fucking paper, only morons claim that.

    You couldn't debate me on it if you tried.
    and by the way youve been ranting your shit lately...im quite certain your ego is bigger than mine. mine only came out when challenged...and well i know im pretty damn smart...its not my ego...its just nature. ;)

    Have you seen how often I'm challenged?

    It's not nature, you can't learn that from a fucking amoeba, pick up a proper text on the development of human cognition.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • tremorvoid wrote:
    it teaches people a lesson...well at least the ones who are capable of learning a lesson. you commit a crime...i think that same crime should be commited on you....that way youll know how it feels....or in the case of murder...we will destroy all the pyschopaths out there and maybe JUST MAYBE the world would be a better place.

    and fuck the bible. it may be a reference from there...but its a saying that most people know...

    Problem is the other guys see our govt as pyschopaths. This cycle will never end the way we are going about it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tremorvoid wrote:
    it teaches people a lesson...well at least the ones who are capable of learning a lesson. you commit a crime...i think that same crime should be commited on you....that way youll know how it feels....or in the case of murder...we will destroy all the pyschopaths out there and maybe JUST MAYBE the world would be a better place.

    and fuck the bible. it may be a reference from there...but its a saying that most people know...

    Deterrants only work if the people comitting the crimes are afraid of the penalty. Psychopaths by definition are not detered by capital punishment. Again, you can't understand criminology or the human psyche by studying amoebas. Pick up a proper text.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    tremorvoid wrote:
    it teaches people a lesson...well at least the ones who are capable of learning a lesson. you commit a crime...i think that same crime should be commited on you....that way youll know how it feels....or in the case of murder...we will destroy all the pyschopaths out there and maybe JUST MAYBE the world would be a better place.

    and fuck the bible. it may be a reference from there...but its a saying that most people know...
    Except a crime is the breaking of a law. People set the law. Saddam never learned anything. His followers never learned anything.. pyschopaths do not learn from their mistakes, part of why they are physco.
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Deterrants only work if the people comitting the crimes are afraid of the penalty.

    It also helps if the guy you're executing wasn't on the payroll during the Iran/Iraq war.

    See, in America we forget these things as a matter of course, but in the Middle east, the 1980's might just as well have been yesterday. Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was backed by the USA for a long time. No one will be foregtting that anytime soon in the Middle East. Once he outlived his usefulness, we did him. No one will be forgetting that either in the Middle East.

    That, I think is the bigger lesson to foreign countries...the US will take whatever it wants, and use whomever it wants to forward its agenda. If you're not willing to drink the Kool aid, the US will replace you with someone who is...unless you have the bomb. Then, you get "diplomacy"
  • enharmonic wrote:
    It also helps if the guy you're executing wasn't on the payroll during the Iran/Iraq war.

    See, in America we forget these things as a matter of course, but in the Middle east, the 1980's might just as well have been yesterday. Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was backed by the USA for a long time. No one will be foregtting that anytime soon in the Middle East. Once he outlived his usefulness, we did him. No one will be forgetting that either in the Middle East.

    That, I think is the bigger lesson to foreign countries...the US will take whatever it wants, and use whomever it wants to forward its agenda. If you're not willing to drink the Kool aid, the US will replace you with someone who is...unless you have the bomb. Then, you get "diplomacy"


    Is there some rule with you that says allies can't change? Are we not allowed to flip flop politically in achieving things in our best interest?
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  • shmapshmap Posts: 374
    "Deterrants only work if the people comitting the crimes are afraid of the penalty." - Wow, amazingly I happen to agree here.

    Can we please move the pissing match elsewhere and stay with the topic at hand? Honestly, too many threads on this board get hijacked by people trying to show off for its own sake.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    enharmonic wrote:
    It also helps if the guy you're executing wasn't on the payroll during the Iran/Iraq war.

    See, in America we forget these things as a matter of course, but in the Middle east, the 1980's might just as well have been yesterday. Saddam was a brutal dictator, but he was backed by the USA for a long time. No one will be foregtting that anytime soon in the Middle East. Once he outlived his usefulness, we did him. No one will be forgetting that either in the Middle East.

    That, I think is the bigger lesson to foreign countries...the US will take whatever it wants, and use whomever it wants to forward its agenda. If you're not willing to drink the Kool aid, the US will replace you with someone who is...unless you have the bomb. Then, you get "diplomacy"

    I agree with that.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Is there some rule with you that says allies can't change? Are we not allowed to flip flop politically in achieving things in our best interest?


    How about a rule to not look like jerks by doing something and then crying about how bad it is when others do it....while STILL helping other jerks to do the same bad things.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    How about a rule to not look like jerks by doing something and then crying about how bad it is when others do it....while STILL helping other jerks to do the same bad things.

    Like, learn proper attribution practices.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not foolish. Why would it be foolish? Nothing is going to happen and if it doesn, what is the difference if I give my name out at the bank or the bar?



    I'm not interesting in having a piece of paper to wave around claiming I know everything. That's just adding to your arrogance. I know what I've read and what I know, and I know what I don't know, that's true knowledge. Knowledge doesn't come from a piece of fucking paper, only morons claim that.

    You couldn't debate me on it if you tried.



    Have you seen how often I'm challenged?

    It's not nature, you can't learn that from a fucking amoeba, pick up a proper text on the development of human cognition.

    fine...give your name out for all i care. i dont give out my personal info to strangers...theres no need to be irresponsible...and yes it CAN come back to haunt you...im protecting my career...and whats to say someone isnt reading every little thing you write and gets a fascination enough to stalk you....no need to give them the info to find you in real life....theres a lot of psychos in this world...and im sure theres a few people lurking that are questionable. id rather be safe than sorry. My friends know who i am...because i trust them...thats all that matters.

    i dont claim to know it all either genius. i know a lot about a little. you claim to know a lot about a lot...my opinion is that you are pushing it with what you think you know. and youre right...knowledge doesnt come with a piece of paper. but more times than not...going thru what it takes to obtain that piece of paper is proof that you have indeed aquired some knowledge that is above and beyond what you get from just reading books. graduate education is a 90% out of the "classroom"...you learn by collaborating with experts in the field...you learn by DOING....trying things out to see what works and what doesnt work...you learn by collecting your own ideas and bouncing them off of others who have more experience than you...you learn by APPLYING your knowledge to a problem...gathering data on that problem...analyzing how that data influences the problem...and drawing conclusions as to whether or not that data is supporting or negating the solution to your problem. i still have so much to learn as i am just now beginning my career...but i have a strong base to grow on.

    and i will grow on the areas of knowledge that I see fit. that i see relevant. that i see usefull. i have no desire to be an expert on "the development of human cognition". thats psychology...and what i do know about psychology...its mostly BS...lol...no one really knows how the brain works...so why read about someones theories that cannot be proven. psychology is a social science. it is not a "hard science". and fyi...i havent looked at an ameba since high school. i focus on subcellular structures....protein...DNA...RNA...chemicals...and how they create the blueprint for how a cell works. and ultimately...how a whole organism works. MD's focus on treating symptoms and making a diagnosis. PhD's focus on both creating the tools to treat/test the diagnosis and by figuring out what was causing the symptoms in the first place. Understanding how all the components of a cell...the protein interactions that trigger a cascade or pathway of events within the cell...the gene regulation that determines which proteins are available to interact....that is the key to understanding diseases and how to cure them. I would say 99% of all medicines available today are ultimately the result of people researching these types of processes. So dont mock me or my field of research. You dont have a clue what really goes on in a lab or the things that i am capable of. we dont just poke amebas and go "cool man did you see that thing move??"






    sorry for hijacking this thread...im done here...ill leave all you to debate the reasons why sadam deserved to live and be given another chance to control his country. This has been enlightening though...a complete waste of my time....but enlightening in respect to the problems of tomorrow due to peoples obscure views of today.
    Seems that needlessly it's getting harder
    To find an approach and a way to live
    Are we getting something out of this
    all-encompassing trip?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tremorvoid wrote:
    fine...give your name out for all i care. i dont give out my personal info to strangers...theres no need to be irresponsible...and yes it CAN come back to haunt you...im protecting my career...and whats to say someone isnt reading every little thing you write and gets a fascination enough to stalk you....no need to give them the info to find you in real life....theres a lot of psychos in this world...and im sure theres a few people lurking that are questionable. id rather be safe than sorry. My friends know who i am...because i trust them...thats all that matters.

    I'd be flattered if someone were to stalk me. As much as I put my name out there hoping, it doesn't happen. :(
    i dont claim to know it all either genius. i know a lot about a little. you claim to know a lot about a lot...my opinion is that you are pushing it with what you think you know. and youre right...knowledge doesnt come with a piece of paper. but more times than not...going thru what it takes to obtain that piece of paper is proof that you have indeed aquired some knowledge that is above and beyond what you get from just reading books. graduate education is a 90% out of the "classroom"...you learn by collaborating with experts in the field...you learn by DOING....trying things out to see what works and what doesnt work...you learn by collecting your own ideas and bouncing them off of others who have more experience than you...you learn by APPLYING your knowledge to a problem...gathering data on that problem...analyzing how that data influences the problem...and drawing conclusions as to whether or not that data is supporting or negating the solution to your problem. i still have so much to learn as i am just now beginning my career...but i have a strong base to grow on.

    Hey, I do that too, it's really easy with my studies because I can test my theories every time I have a social interaction.
    and i will grow on the areas of knowledge that I see fit. that i see relevant. that i see usefull. i have no desire to be an expert on "the development of human cognition". thats psychology...and what i do know about psychology...its mostly BS...lol...no one really knows how the brain works...so why read about someones theories that cannot be proven. psychology is a social science. it is not a "hard science". and fyi...i havent looked at an ameba since high school. i focus on subcellular structures....protein...DNA...RNA...chemicals...and how they create the blueprint for how a cell works. and ultimately...how a whole organism works. MD's focus on treating symptoms and making a diagnosis. PhD's focus on both creating the tools to treat/test the diagnosis and by figuring out what was causing the symptoms in the first place. Understanding how all the components of a cell...the protein interactions that trigger a cascade or pathway of events within the cell...the gene regulation that determines which proteins are available to interact....that is the key to understanding diseases and how to cure them. I would say 99% of all medicines available today are ultimately the result of people researching these types of processes. So dont mock me or my field of research. You dont have a clue what really goes on in a lab or the things that i am capable of. we dont just poke amebas and go "cool man did you see that thing move??"

    I completely appreciate the field you are in, I just don't see it as the only road to conceptual thought processes. That reminds me, I ordered a lecture series on RNA from HHMI 4 weeks ago and it isn't here yet. I'm starting to think it's not coming. I've already seen it anyway, but I'd like to watch it on the big screen. I know cognitive sciences are kind of a soft-science but the field is interbreeding. It's been overhauled quite a bit and it's more solid now than ever before. It's pretty hard to disprove some of the leading theories. Anyway, keep up the good work. ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Is there some rule with you that says allies can't change? Are we not allowed to flip flop politically in achieving things in our best interest?

    Allies can change, obviously, but we can't ignore the fact that Sadaam slaughtered innocent Kurds and Iraqis for a long time. In the beginning, he did it, and we didn't mind. When it became politically advantageous to us, we decided that it was wrong.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
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