Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays

Solat13

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If you've ever had to run two businesses and have your fingers in a lot of pies, you'd know exactly how this is possible, and the fact that there is only 24 hours in the day. Sometimes you trust people that are close to you, and they let you down.

It's easy to sit back and think someone can be everywhere at once. In reality this is never the case.

Watch any of his explanations on it, and it becomes pretty clear what the situation is, and that he's not a racist.

It's happened, it's a well timed smear, so many are eating up the propaganda because they want to. The media controls small minds imo. It's like looking at a pile of crap and trying to describe who and what made it in precise detail.

ridiculous.

I can see how maybe he wasn't running the show at the newsletter, but did he even "read" the newsletter and be like uh, this isn't good, who wrote this.

All I know is if I had a newsletter coming out under my name and I wasn't really involved in it, I would at least take the time to read it. How many hours of the day could it take to actually read the newsletter with your name attached to it.

blackredyellow

Solat13 wrote:

I can see how maybe he wasn't running the show at the newsletter, but did he even "read" the newsletter and be like uh, this isn't good, who wrote this.

All I know is if I had a newsletter coming out under my name and I wasn't really involved in it, I would at least take the time to read it. How many hours of the day could it take to actually read the newsletter with your name attached to it.

I agree, but even giving in to that argument and accepting that he didn't know anything about it or what was written, when asked about it in 1996, he basically tried to justify the comments (and his campaign manager said he was still writing the newsletter).

RolandTD20Kdrummer

blackredyellow wrote:

Of course... you are never wrong Roland, we already know that.

But, I've worked several jobs, and I am currently running operations in three venues in Oklahoma, NY & Ontario, so I know what it is like to juggle a bunch of things at once.

You keep saying he didn't have time and are insinuating that people don't know how busy he was then, but in reality, you don't know how busy he was then either. I don't know how often these newsletters were put out, but you can't tell me that he didn't have like 10 minutes every month or so to read the newsletter and make a call to have it shut down or issue a retraction or apology. No one is that busy.

And this doesn't change the fact that in 1996, he apparently tried to justify some of the comments instead of denying them then.

I'm just saying it's definitely possible he didn't know about it, and in your case if you are busy you can also see that quite it's possible he didn't have time to proof read every single word of every article. Is it questionable, yes.

He vehemently denies it now, the libertarian platform is not really racist by design. It's troubling to a certain degree, is he a racist? Good question, I'm not getting that vibe in any way shape or form, and neither are all the (many) black voters supporting him, or all has it affected all his re elections throughout the years.

I think many are making this out to be a smoking gun, and again looking at a turd and then trying to describe it's maker.

This is FOX level propaganda rehashed to destroy the message of freedom at a crucial time. For some small minds it will work.

blackredyellow

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm just saying it's definitely possible he didn't know about it, and in your case if you are busy you can also see that quite it's possible he didn't have time to proof read every single word of every article. Is it questionable, yes.

He vehemently denies it now, the libertarian platform is not really racist by design. It's troubling to a certain degree, is he a racist? Good question, I'm not getting that vibe in any way shape or form, and neither are all the (many) black voters supporting him, or all has it affected all his re elections throughout the years.

I think many are making this out to be a smoking gun, and again looking at a turd and then trying to describing it's maker.

This is FOX level propaganda rehashed to destroy the message of freedom at a crucial time. For some small minds it will work.

But then why in 1996 when asked, did he apparently try to justify the comments? That's what bugs me about this story.

sweetpotato

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

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“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

hmmm. i'm thinking that the obvious political reason is that he's running for president of the united states.

something like this would undoubtedly come out if were about ANY of the candidates (which, incidentally, it's not...). mr. paul, if you can't take the heat, get the fuck outa the race.

my2hands

Solat13 wrote:

I can see how maybe he wasn't running the show at the newsletter, but did he even "read" the newsletter and be like uh, this isn't good, who wrote this.

All I know is if I had a newsletter coming out under my name and I wasn't really involved in it, I would at least take the time to read it. How many hours of the day could it take to actually read the newsletter with your name attached to it.

about 15 minutes... i am sure it wasnt a novel


if solat13 and i are agreeing on something political... you know this shit must be legit... and hell has frozen over

sweetpotato

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

How much review do you think any of the five (ahem, six) members of Pearl Jam before "Deep" goes out twice a year?

Seriously.

[half expecting Sea to show up and pwne me with inside information. ]

i'm betting that the people who DO write & edit Deep are close enough to the band that they know what they would approve being written in their name, and what they wouldn't. and i'm also pretty fucking sure that if some nimrod let an article get published in Deep that was racist, sexist or otherwise disgusting, the band would immediately come out with a statement apologizing for the gross oversight and detailing how the problem was handled.

did paul do any of those things? except for NOW, of course, when he's running for the highest office in the land.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

hmmm. i'm thinking that the obvious political reason is that he's running for president of the united states.

something like this would undoubtedly come out if were about ANY of the candidates (which, incidentally, it's not...). mr. paul, if you can't take the heat, get the fuck outa the race.

Huckabee's kid hung a dog as a camp counselor with a few other kids. I don't see this paraded on FOX, or elsewhere. Everyone has skeletons. Look at all their advisor's alone....that's some scary shit right there. Those are the ingredients in the final product. If you want to know your candidate, look at their advisor's.

It's very apparent why RP is a target. And it's very apparent why he is being marginalized.

Remember Kennedy...MLK? Political figures get murdered in the US for possessing the same sentiment on freedom Dr Paul has.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

oh, there is plenty pf proof...

some of you guys just refuse to ackowledge it... but, that's your prerogative

Maybe you missed the second paragraph in the CNN article saying there was no proof or evidence of the author.

You're fabricating your "proof" based on blind prejudice.

sweetpotato

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Huckabee's kid hung a dog as a camp counselor with a few other kids. I don't see this paraded on FOX, or elsewhere. Everyone has skeletons. Look at all their advisor's alone....that's some scary shit right there. Those are the ingredients in the final product. If you want to know your candidate, look at their advisor's.

that comparison is cute. grasping at straws, anyone??

besides, this is about what the candidate HIMSELF said & did, not what someone's overpriviledged child did at camp one year.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Maybe you missed the second paragraph in the CNN article saying there was no proof or evidence of the author.

You're fabricating your "proof" based on blind prejudice.

no... i am basing my proof on HIS NEWSLETTER



i dont see how anyone can excuse or explain this away? i really cant...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

blackredyellow wrote:

But then why in 1996 when asked, did he apparently try to justify the comments? That's what bugs me about this story.

That's concerning. He may have been trying to protect a friend. You know it would have been a witch hunt, and someone's life would have been ruined over a few paragraphs of text. You can still have a loyal friend whose values differ from you in some aspects, it doesn't mean you accept them, or subscribe to them.

It's still not smoking gun evidence that Dr Paul is a racist imo.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Huckabee's kid hung a dog as a camp counselor with a few other kids.

huckabee's kid isnt running for president of the united states of america...

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's still not smoking gun evidence that Dr Paul is a racist imo.

he seems to be more then a racist...


as far as a smoking gun... your right... it's not a smoking gun... it;s the FUCKING BULLET HOLE!

sweetpotato

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's very apparent why RP is a target. And it's very apparent why he is being marginalized.

something tells me that some of paul's supporters are his worst enemies- those marginalized geeks who blog and post all day about their messiah. i think it's because of THEIR reputation as overzealous nutjobs that paul's skeletons are too delicious to let slide.

well, that and the fact that he's apparently a racist homophobe, running for president of the united states.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

no... i am basing my proof on HIS NEWSLETTER



i dont see how anyone can excuse or explain this away? i really cant...

Precisely why a case based on your "supposed evidence" would lose in court, in 5 mins flat, and also why CNN had the legal obligation to state UP FRONT they had no proof.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

he seems to be more then a racist...


as far as a smoking gun... your right... it's not a smoking gun... it;s the FUCKING BULLET HOLE!

Your logic is flawed, and overtly biased.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

something tells me that some of paul's supporters are his worst enemies- those marginalized geeks who blog and post all day about their messiah. i think it's because of THEIR reputation as overzealous nutjobs that paul's skeletons are too delicious to let slide.

well, that and the fact that he's apparently a racist homophobe, running for president of the united states.

You just committed an act of blatant hypocrisy.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Precisely why a case based on your "supposed evidence" would lose in court, in 5 mins flat, and also why CNN had the legal obligation to state UP FRONT they had no proof.

this guy is nailed...

and you know it good friend...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

that comparison is cute. grasping at straws, anyone??

besides, this is about what the candidate HIMSELF said & did, not what someone's overpriviledged child did at camp one year.

Look up up for yourself instead of pretending to know something you obviously don't.

I get the idea a rational discussion with you is an impossibility in this universe short of 15 years of much needed life experience.