When I complain to a restuarant manager for poor service, I feel justified in doing so.
Who cares. Feeling justified is about as self-centered as one can get. It's useless except to build up your own ego. Feeling justified is the opposite of taking responsibility and accepting consequences for actions.
Even in your example it happened in the past. As someone famous said "you glorify the past when the future is all used up". Well my future is all about sunny skies to come even through the stormiest weather. I don't feel any need to justify my actions when I'm taking responsibility for and accepting consequences for them. You may want me to explain my actions but that's a far cry from justifying them. Justified actions are far too close to feeling sanctimonious for me, no thanks.
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Personality typing is a model. I made a point in a thread the other day using that model. I don't doubt there are other contexts where neuroscience may be shown to be interconnected with psychology.
What I said about your focus and my own served my purpose in the discussion at the time in order to get my point across. Now I'm a blank slate developing my perceptions for this subject.
Take a sheet of blank paper, love it, take it to france, feed it, sing to it, read to it Shakespeare, and the paper will not know love, france, taste, sound or Shakespeare.
An interesting take on the blank slate theory.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Who cares. Feeling justified is about as self-centered as one can get. It's useless except to build up your own ego. Feeling justified is the opposite of taking responsibility and accepting consequences for actions.
Even in your example it happened in the past. As someone famous said "you glorify the past when the future is all used up". Well my future is all about sunny skies to come even through the stormiest weather. I don't feel any need to justify my actions when I'm taking responsibility for and accepting consequences for them. You may want me to explain my actions but that's a far cry from justifying them. Justified actions are far too close to feeling sanctimonious for me, no thanks.
You are still missing the point. I'm speaking of justification in terms of the present. As I stated initially, upon reflection, that is into the past, actions are more easily viewed as unjust. In terms of the Justice System, all judgements of justification are reflections on the past. But here I am discussing in-the-moment, as of the present, justification of current actions.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I was under the impression that you were somewhat of an expert.
I am not an expert, nor do I know anything about this: "Furthermore Gray mentions the influence Locke, Hobbes, Descartes, Darwin and so on had on the foundation of psychology, which is a scientific study and therefor must be causally connected to all other fields of science."
I know what I've learned about psychology. I feel I've personally interacted with universal psychic forces and have learned to alter them by understanding them. I can communicate about that to others. I feel I know quite a bit about the actual psychic forces that flow through us all, including the psychological principles that stem from these forces. and even in this context, I only know what I know. I don't know of or understand all of psychology, much less the myriad multi-dimensional facets, or the vast, multi-dimensional perspectives held on the matter.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
just because one feels they are justified in their actions doesn't mean they actually are.
And that's not the point I'm making.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I am not an expert, nor do I know anything about this: "Furthermore Gray mentions the influence Locke, Hobbes, Descartes, Darwin and so on had on the foundation of psychology, which is a scientific study and therefor must be causally connected to all other fields of science."
I know what I've learned about psychology. I feel I've personally interacted with universal psychic forces and have learned to alter them by understanding them. I can communicate about that to others. I feel I know quite a bit about the actual psychic forces that flow through us all, including the psychological principles that stem from these forces. and even in this context, I only know what I know. I don't know of or understand all of psychology, much less the myriad multi-dimensional facets, or the vast, multi-dimensional perspectives held on the matter.
So you know panpsychism, not psychology.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Take a sheet of blank paper, love it, take it to france, feed it, sing to it, read to it Shakespeare, and the paper will not know love, france, taste, sound or Shakespeare.
An interesting take on the blank slate theory.
I allow life to arise through me. I open myself to the unique variation of the moment and my perceptions as they move through me. That's what releasing the ego and aligning with universality is about. I'm open to being and to potential and the continua. Therefore I'm not preconceiving, but rather am perceiving.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I allow life to arise through me. I open myself to the unique variation of the moment and my perceptions as they move through me. That's what releasing the ego and aligning with universality is about. I'm open to being and to potential and the continua. Therefore I'm not preconceiving, but rather am perceiving.
It sounds like rubbish to me though. Why should I value your opinion if you've acquired your knowledge in such a way, that it cannot be validated or refuted?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It sounds like rubbish to me though. Why should I value your opinion if you've acquired your knowledge in such a way, that it cannot be validated or refuted?
I don't ask you to value my opinion. I ask that you accept it as my perspective and as a symbol of accepting who I am, which is all I can be.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It sounds like rubbish to me though. Why should I value your opinion if you've acquired your knowledge in such a way, that it cannot be validated or refuted?
Besides, it absolutely can be validated, as millions have done, through subjective practise and experience.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Besides, it absolutely can be validated, as millions have done, through subjective practise and experience.
But is it congruent with the view from nowhere?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I don't ask you to value my opinion. I ask that you accept it as my perspective and as a symbol of accepting who I am, which is all I can be.
Fair enough. But I doubt we will ever see eye-to-eye.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ironically Angelica. With our drastically opposed views. I think you are the only one that actually understood my point on this discussion. At least I hope you did. It seems everyone else was preoccupied by thoughts of the criminal justice system.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ironically Angelica. With our drastically opposed views. I think you are the only one that actually understood my point on this discussion. At least I hope you did. It seems everyone else was preoccupied by thoughts of the criminal justice system.
not me.
your original post merely pointed out the immaturity of the developing mind.
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your original post merely pointed out the immaturity of the developing mind.
How so?
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well ryan neither you or your brother had the faculties to deal with the siituation without antagonising each other. had either of you had any objectivity, one of you would have removed themself from the room. the situation was allowed to degenerate into a power struggle.
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well ryan neither you or your brother had the faculties to deal with the siituation without antagonising each other. had either of you had any objectivity, one of you would have removed themself from the room. the situation was allowed to degenerate into a power struggle.
Ironically Angelica. With our drastically opposed views. I think you are the only one that actually understood my point on this discussion. At least I hope you did. It seems everyone else was preoccupied by thoughts of the criminal justice system.
I do think I understand what you are saying.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Fair enough. But I doubt we will ever see eye-to-eye.
We touch base with the similarities of our visions quite often. We would not continually gravitate into seemingly endless conversations/debates were it not for our similarities. Like attracts like.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
well ryan neither you or your brother had the faculties to deal with the siituation without antagonising each other. had either of you had any objectivity, one of you would have removed themself from the room. the situation was allowed to degenerate into a power struggle.
Fair enough, but that was sort of beside my point. That exactly we felt justified in our positions. Certainly there are reasons why we felt justified, but shouldn't have. But the point was, that had we not felt justified, we wouldn't have behaved as we did.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
no fanch i didn't. when i saw the title i just figured it was about ahnimus justifying his arrogant attitude somewhere else on the board.
I suppose that assumption is typical? And I suppose you still think that's what this is about?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Universal principles are always congruent with...the universe...and Truth.
Give me an example
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Fair enough, but that was sort of beside my point. That exactly we felt justified in our positions. Certainly there are reasons why we felt justified, but shouldn't have. But the point was, that had we not felt justified, we wouldn't have behaved as we did.
how is it beside the poiint ryan. earlier i said just because one feels justified, that doesn't make it so. you dismissed that as being beside the point. and now here you are saying what? that immaturity is beside the point as well and that the fact that both of you felt justified is now enough because you both felt had reason?
do you even know what it is you're trying to convey here?
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Even in your example it happened in the past. As someone famous said "you glorify the past when the future is all used up". Well my future is all about sunny skies to come even through the stormiest weather. I don't feel any need to justify my actions when I'm taking responsibility for and accepting consequences for them. You may want me to explain my actions but that's a far cry from justifying them. Justified actions are far too close to feeling sanctimonious for me, no thanks.
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Take a sheet of blank paper, love it, take it to france, feed it, sing to it, read to it Shakespeare, and the paper will not know love, france, taste, sound or Shakespeare.
An interesting take on the blank slate theory.
You are still missing the point. I'm speaking of justification in terms of the present. As I stated initially, upon reflection, that is into the past, actions are more easily viewed as unjust. In terms of the Justice System, all judgements of justification are reflections on the past. But here I am discussing in-the-moment, as of the present, justification of current actions.
I know what I've learned about psychology. I feel I've personally interacted with universal psychic forces and have learned to alter them by understanding them. I can communicate about that to others. I feel I know quite a bit about the actual psychic forces that flow through us all, including the psychological principles that stem from these forces. and even in this context, I only know what I know. I don't know of or understand all of psychology, much less the myriad multi-dimensional facets, or the vast, multi-dimensional perspectives held on the matter.
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And that's not the point I'm making.
So you know panpsychism, not psychology.
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then what is the point youre trying to make ryan.
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It sounds like rubbish to me though. Why should I value your opinion if you've acquired your knowledge in such a way, that it cannot be validated or refuted?
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But is it congruent with the view from nowhere?
Fair enough. But I doubt we will ever see eye-to-eye.
not me.
your original post merely pointed out the immaturity of the developing mind.
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How so?
well ryan neither you or your brother had the faculties to deal with the siituation without antagonising each other. had either of you had any objectivity, one of you would have removed themself from the room. the situation was allowed to degenerate into a power struggle.
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You didn't think it was about Justin Timberlake?
no fanch i didn't. when i saw the title i just figured it was about ahnimus justifying his arrogant attitude somewhere else on the board.
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Fair enough, but that was sort of beside my point. That exactly we felt justified in our positions. Certainly there are reasons why we felt justified, but shouldn't have. But the point was, that had we not felt justified, we wouldn't have behaved as we did.
I suppose that assumption is typical? And I suppose you still think that's what this is about?
Give me an example
You don't understand my point of the thread?
how is it beside the poiint ryan. earlier i said just because one feels justified, that doesn't make it so. you dismissed that as being beside the point. and now here you are saying what? that immaturity is beside the point as well and that the fact that both of you felt justified is now enough because you both felt had reason?
do you even know what it is you're trying to convey here?
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