Comparative Religion: Godmen

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

ok.

i'm not.

just slightly buzzed, though, nothing major.

your post kind of blasted out there in the scheme of the mood of the things, like spray paint.

it was just a thought that came to mind.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

I've never been very motivated since I was a kid. At one time I had a lot of energy, but I spent too much time in padded and concrete rooms. I lost my will to live completely. When I surfaced, things looked a lot different. I still thing dancing is a ridiculous waste of time and energy. Just have sex already! Know what I mean?

This kind of matches my outlook in some ways, and my own history, but at the same time...i have my guitar here. I havent played it in four years. One of the strings has disinigrated.

fuck it.

Abookamongstthemany

Ahnimus wrote:

I've never been very motivated since I was a kid. At one time I had a lot of energy, but I spent too much time in padded and concrete rooms. I lost my will to live completely. When I surfaced, things looked a lot different. I still thing dancing is a ridiculous waste of time and energy. Just have sex already! Know what I mean?

The dance leading up to the sex is where all the thrill is at...

gue_barium

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The dance leading up to the sex is where all the thrill is at...

oh my.

it's thrilling, it is, but...

obviously, you haven't been with...

La einstiniao de Stalliano

Abookamongstthemany

gue_barium wrote:

oh my.

it's thrilling, it is, but...

obviously, you haven't been with...

La einstiniao de Stalliano

the intense attraction and the build up.....the wanting... is always the best part

of course, you have to give a girl a reason to be wanting you that badly in the first place.

El_Kabong

gue_barium wrote:

oh my.

it's thrilling, it is, but...

obviously, you haven't been with...

La einstiniao de Stalliano

actually, she lives w/ him...

gue_barium

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

the intense attraction and the build up.....the wanting... is always the best part

of course, you have to give a girl a reason to be wanting you that badly in the first place.

I'm a premature ejaculator.

It doesn't make much difference, to me.

Or her. Ultimately.

gue_barium

El_Kabong wrote:

actually, she lives w/ him...

Hey now.

no need to flaunt it.

angelica

from an interview with Einstein and George Sylvester Viereck from back in the day, as published in Time magazine April 17, 2007:

V: You accept the historical existence of Jesus?

Einstein: Unquestionably! No one can read the gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.

angelica

angelica wrote:

What is referred to are the totality of sense impressions. And he's saying logical consideration is an arbitrary creation of the human mind rather than equal to the sense impressions referred to.

I said I'd be the first person to admit it if we found more information and I was proven to be wrong in my original interpretation. It's odd because now that we have the entire article, it does speak to exactly what I was saying, about our arbitrary attributions, which stem from the totality of sense impressions and in that sense the self-evidence stands. However, I was originally inaccurate in how I specifically interpreted the use of the words "logical consideration" in the original context of the one-line quote.

Peace.

Kann

angelica wrote:

from an interview with Einstein and George Sylvester Viereck from back in the day, as published in Time magazine April 17, 2007:

V: You accept the historical existence of Jesus?

Einstein: Unquestionably! No on can read the gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.

how does hard determinism fly with jesus' message by the way?
if we reduce jesus' message to "try to love your friends as well as your enemy's" what does the term try represent?

angelica

Kann wrote:

how does hard determinism fly with jesus' message by the way?
if we reduce jesus' message to "try to love your friends as well as your enemy's" what does the term try represent?

I think this is Ahnimus' whole point--that the two are in conflict with one another. I think this is why Ahnimus is so desperate to "disprove" the validity of religion and free-will--so that his idea of determinism--that he rightly understands and perceives--can "rule".

What I see is that free-will is a spiritual/philosophical position, not a position of the linear cause and effect physical world and the physical laws that Ahnimus and Einstein predominantly focus on. The way I see it, like my signature says, deep truths like determinism and free-will can and do co-exist simultaneously with one another at the same time. The non-physical world abides by different laws than cause/effect physical ones where two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time.


It's clear that Ahnimus devalues much that cannot be proven. And that makes perfect sense when one takes his personality preferences into consideration. Also, in some of the brain science videos that have been posted out here, there is the idea that just like some people just don't have the ability to understand and perceive deep math concepts, there are also those who just cannot understand and perceive the deep spiritual concepts. The problem enters in if I think because I don't understand deep math, and if I cannot prove it, that it means it does not exist.

I wonder if you might elaborate on your point about "try to love your friends...", Kann. I'm not sure I understand.

Kann

angelica wrote:

I wonder if you might elaborate on your point about "try to love your friends...", Kann. I'm not sure I understand.

I'm sorry I wrote that quickly, that sentence made sense in my head but not so much after reading it! What I meant is "try to love your enemies as much as you love your friends".
I didn't understand your whole post. I did get the math part, I can relate to that!

angelica

Kann wrote:

I'm sorry I wrote that quickly, that sentence made sense in my head but not so much after reading it! What I meant is "try to love your enemies as much as you love your friends".
I didn't understand your whole post. I did get the math part, I can relate to that!

I'd like to hear Ahnimus respond to the "try to love your enemies as much as you love your friends" part. I'd like to hear him say what he thinks "try" represents.


I guess what I'm saying in my post, is that I don't see a problem between determinism and free will. I've believed in both --to a serious degree-- for a long time. Some people don't naturally "get" or "feel" or understand why people follow religion. And they want to make their own feelings about religion apply to everyone. They want to project their ideas, conflicts and feelings on others, because they have not grounded in themselves, yet.

I fully respect athiesm that is self-contained. I've known many people who perceive the mystery of life differently than I do and their interpretation is just as valuable as my own. Once a power struggle sets in, that's a different story. Athiests who cannot live and let live are like Christians who cannot live and let live.

Ahnimus

The same way you do it now Angelica. You get an idea in your head and you do it.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

The same way you do it now Angelica. You get an idea in your head and you do it.

Is this an answer to the "try" question?

Ahnimus

Yes

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Yes

Thank-you.

angelica

Ahnimus, sure "try" is an idea you get in your head, that you act on. But what does it represent?

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Ahnimus, sure "try" is an idea you get in your head, that you act on. But what does it represent?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/try