Canadian School Shooting

Astird

...pointless posting here

I just came here to make sure my Montreal PJ friends were ok...came to the wrong place.

Dirty_Frank

onelongsong wrote:

what a crock. every canadian on this board has told us that THERE ARE NO HANDGUNS IN CANADA. so how did he turn the gun on himself?

Give the liberal vs. conservative a rest would ya?

Nothing worse than when people go right ahead and spin a tragic incident to formulate (poorly I might add) conclusions to their petty political debates.

19 people were shot in mid-day by a fucking lunatic with a gun in their cafeteria. Students, between the age of 16 and 20.

This sort of thing doesn't happen often in Canada, and when it does, it hits hard. It's a fucking travesty.

Worse will be the political spin brought on by the incident. People should focus more on how many lives were changed today than post Columbine, 911 hysteria.

Fuck.

:(

sourdough

I don't think anyone would dispute that there are handguns in Canada. Its obvious. There are shootings here, abeit not at all at the same rate as down south. Guns are a problem here and the truth is that most of them are illegal guns that come up from the states. I do believe there should be a ban on handguns here and I don't see any societal benefit from having them available. I feel differently about hunting rifles, but handguns are unnecessary.

jeffbr

Dirty_Frank wrote:

Nothing worse than when people go right ahead and spin a tragic incident to formulate (poorly I might add) conclusions to their petty political debates.

I completely agree with you, but I'm afraid this thread got sidetracked as backlash against a handfull of Canadians on this board who turn any tragedy, anywhere in the world, into an anti-US thread. It happens all too often on the board. Hopefully they will see this thread and recognize how bad a thread becomes when that happens. Sorry it happened here.

wavin_goodbye

been a pretty brutal - very long day (many friends currently go to the school, and graduated from it as well).. thankful that it wasn't as bad as initially thought, although so saddened by the death of the young woman..

condolences to her family, and to those of the 8 others in critical condition.


fucked up day.

searsr

I feel terrible for those that are affected by this tragedy.

Also, as I was reading through the thread, "Glorified G" came on the radio station that I am listening to. Quite a coincidence.

Astird

jeffbr wrote:

I completely agree with you, but I'm afraid this thread got sidetracked as backlash against a handfull of Canadians on this board who turn any tragedy, anywhere in the world, into an anti-US thread. It happens all too often on the board. Hopefully they will see this thread and recognize how bad a thread becomes when that happens. Sorry it happened here.

Whatever...I stopped even bothering coming here. Any post about a Canadian topic has some dufus saying something stupid and vise versa, and these posts hijack whatever "intelligent" debate was trying to take place. Sad that people can't be an example by not stooping to what they hate..."if you hate something don't you do it too"...maybe before teaching Canadians on this board their little lesson, asking if they were even ok could have been a start.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

jsand wrote:

It is certainly disrespectful, but that's what happens when I get bombarded with this conspiracy theory nonsense on a daily basis about an event that I lived through and deeply affected me. It was a cheap shot, and I do apologize to those I offended. Just trying to make some people taste their own bitter medicine.

Yeah, fight fire with fire. Always a brilliant idea. I think since some dude raped my sister, I'll rape HIS sister. That'll teach him.

Pickr

Saturnal wrote:

Yeah, fight fire with fire. Always a brilliant idea. I think since some dude raped my sister, I'll rape HIS sister. That'll teach him.

You got to remember who the true victims are in this...Not some poor kid who got shot, but some poor person who gets bombarded with consipracy theories..

murph83

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/14092006/2/national-blog-man-identified-dawson-college-gunman-paints-dark-portrait.html

blueandwhite

That guy is damned Scary.


The problem as I see it, isn't so much the guns themselves, but the ease with which one may go about acquiring them (legal and illegal). Simply put, when its too easy to obtain a firearm, it is inevitable that they will sometimes fall into the wrong hands. In Canada, its simply more difficult for the average person to acquire a firearm, reducing the likelihood of such a crime.

Unfortunately, no crime is unavoidable. One can only hope that gunman's other victims fully recover.

rebornFixer

blueandwhite wrote:

That guy is damned Scary.


The problem as I see it, isn't so much the guns themselves, but the ease with which one may go about acquiring them (legal and illegal). Simply put, when its too easy to obtain a firearm, it is inevitable that they will sometimes fall into the wrong hands. In Canada, its simply more difficult for the average person to acquire a firearm, reducing the likelihood of such a crime.

Unfortunately, no crime is unavoidable. One can only hope that gunman's other victims fully recover.

Based on what I've seen and heard, the guy's gun was already an illegal weapon in this country. Legal guns aren't the issue. Its too easy to get illegal guns on the streets.

That guy is indeed scary. He fits the typical school shooter profile to a tee, except that he's not white. I don't think race is an issue in school shootings, although I've heard people argue that it is a factor. Nope. I think this problem spans all groups of people.

Pickr

reborncareerist wrote:

Based on what I've seen and heard, the guy's gun was already an illegal weapon in this country. Legal guns aren't the issue. Its too easy to get illegal guns on the streets.

That guy is indeed scary. He fits the typical school shooter profile to a tee, except that he's not white. I don't think race is an issue in school shootings, although I've heard people argue that it is a factor. Nope. I think this problem spans all groups of people.

Media's not playing the race card, they are playing the gothy, freaky, Marilyn Manson listening card.

rebornFixer

sourdough wrote:

I don't think anyone would dispute that there are handguns in Canada. Its obvious. There are shootings here, abeit not at all at the same rate as down south. Guns are a problem here and the truth is that most of them are illegal guns that come up from the states. I do believe there should be a ban on handguns here and I don't see any societal benefit from having them available. I feel differently about hunting rifles, but handguns are unnecessary.

And I've said it before. Banning hanguns does nothing when all the handguns being used in crime are already illegal weapons being imported from the U.S. Think about it logically, dude.

rebornFixer

Pickr wrote:

Media's not playing the race card, they are playing the gothy, freaky, Marilyn Manson listening card.

No, I was referring to some psychologists and psychiatrists who make the race arguments about school shootings in general. No one is doing it in this case, yet.

Pickr

To the family of the girl killed...

http://www.legacy.com/can-montreal/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=19212332

RockinInCanada

reborncareerist wrote:

And I've said it before. Banning hanguns does nothing when all the handguns being used in crime are already illegal weapons being imported from the U.S. Think about it logically, dude.

I agree....some fellow Canadians should look at the restrictions on hand-guns...very stingy...for example if you purchase a hand-gun it requires you to have taken provincial and federal examinations (which still will not be enough to own a hand-gun) then you must take a test for possessing a restricted firearm (hand-gun).....and when you got this you go purchase your gun using valid specified gun-owner ID and then you must phone your local police detachement that you are buying and transporting a gun from the store to your house.....that to me tells me the process in place is good enough....it is illegal guns (most likely coming across the border) that are the problem....

rebornFixer

Pickr wrote:

To the family of the girl killed...

http://www.legacy.com/can-montreal/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=19212332

That made me teary, and now I have to test participants ...

Damn.
I hate this kind of stuff so much. What a world we live in ... I have to remind myself about all the really good decent people out there.

rebornFixer

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I agree....some fellow Canadians should look at the restrictions on hand-guns...very stingy...for example if you purchase a hand-gun it requires you to have taken provincial and federal examinations (which still will not be enough to own a hand-gun) then you must take a test for possessing a restricted firearm (hand-gun).....and when you got this you go purchase your gun using valid specified gun-owner ID and then you must phone your local police detachement that you are buying and transporting a gun from the store to your house.....that to me tells me the process in place is good enough....it is illegal guns (most likely coming across the border) that are the problem....

I've actually gone though the process, although I do not actually own a handgun. It is more rigorous than pretty much any other type of licensing.

This guy's weapon was an assault rifle. Already illegal, although apparently not unattainable.

Pickr

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I agree....some fellow Canadians should look at the restrictions on hand-guns...very stingy...for example if you purchase a hand-gun it requires you to have taken provincial and federal examinations (which still will not be enough to own a hand-gun) then you must take a test for possessing a restricted firearm (hand-gun).....and when you got this you go purchase your gun using valid specified gun-owner ID and then you must phone your local police detachement that you are buying and transporting a gun from the store to your house.....that to me tells me the process in place is good enough....it is illegal guns (most likely coming across the border) that are the problem....

but even those restrictions don't stop one from taking firearms from the valid owner and using them to commit such actions as we saw yesterday. This guy could have just easily stolen dad's gun from the closet if it were such the case.