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Tasered UF student

woundedorganwoundedorgan Posts: 607
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
I observed that video on YouTube at the John Kerry thing....anybody else see that..
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,811
    no I haven't seen it, but I've read about it

    from the sounds of it, those cops are in some deep shit
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  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    saw it on the news.

    the guy deserved to get the stun gun. anybody resisting arrest is gonna get subdued by whatever means necessary.
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  • NOTHINGFANNOTHINGFAN Posts: 69
    lowlight10 wrote:
    saw it on the news.

    the guy deserved to get the stun gun. anybody resisting arrest is gonna get subdued by whatever means necessary.

    but why was he being arrested, for raising his voice?
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  • LizardkingLizardking Posts: 936
    If he wasn't a Pearl Jam fan we don't care on this thread ;
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  • Yellow LedbellyYellow Ledbelly Posts: 3,749
    What shocked me most about it was the fact the Senator Kerry, the voice of the down-trodden and forgotten, didn't speak up for the young lad's right to raise his voice
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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,725
    woundedorgan wrote:
    I observed that video on YouTube at the John Kerry thing....anybody else see that..

    Was he wearing a PJ shirt or something?

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  • SPALMASPALMA Posts: 2,279
    my son (who is also a PJ fan) and a UF senior marched in a protest on campus yesterday. (I am proud of that!)

    I think the taser-ee was an ass and the taser-ors were only justified because of the prevalent "zero tolerance" mode we have been in since 9-11. I don't agree, and we need to change this - but the police were operating within now accepted parameters.

    I am more worried about the recent censorings (PJ internet show) and Sally Fields (network).
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  • JoanneJoanne Posts: 98
    Yes he did! He told the police to let him answer the students question and not to arrest him. Here's a quote:

    In a statement issued Tuesday, Kerry said he didn't know a Taser had been used on the student until after he left the event, and said he hoped no one was injured.

    "In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he said.

    "I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but again, I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention."
    We're still making records for people who listen to it all the way through, eyes closed, in that space.
  • DaytimeDilemmaDaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    I saw the tape on CNN.com. I think that if he was being disruptive, then taking him out of the room is one thing, but there was no need for him to be tasered over and over like that.
  • NOTHINGFANNOTHINGFAN Posts: 69
    I think Kerry said he didn't know about it until after the event, so he doesn't have to testify in court.
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  • chicagojammer06chicagojammer06 Posts: 60
    that guy deserved to get his ass kicked, maybe not tased, but a good kick in the nuts
  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Shouldn't this be on A Moving Train?
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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    lowlight10 wrote:
    saw it on the news.

    the guy deserved to get the stun gun. anybody resisting arrest is gonna get subdued by whatever means necessary.


    you must be a cop or have a cops I.Q.

    those cops should be hung.
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  • CatchyPJUserNameCatchyPJUserName Posts: 17
    seriously. The kid was given his chance to speak. He was asking asinine questions. His time ran out, but he decided to continue. He was asked to leave, then resisted. He deserved the tazer. In fact, up the voltage a little and hit him again on his way out of jail.
    The moron has done stupid stunts before just to get a laugh out of people, and this was just another chance to be an a-hole. He obviously planned to make a scene just to get a rise out of people. As far as I'm concerned, he should get tazed weekly to see if it might help him with his excessive need for attention.
  • woundedorganwoundedorgan Posts: 607
    not much to do with PJ except that he was censored in the worst way....maybe he crossed the line and acted like a tool but to subdue him with a taser when he clearly was not in the position to cause harm to anyone...I am on the fence with this one....we know what 1 crazy person can do and then this guy was only asking questions.....just disturbing that we have to bust out the taser on college campuses....
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    JamMastaE wrote:
    you must be a cop or have a cops I.Q.

    those cops should be hung.
    What exactly is a cop's IQ???

    I have friends who are cops and am considering being one myself. All have college degrees. All have high IQs.. You're making a big fucking generalization.

    Hanging people for giving out a shock of electricity? Get real. They were excessive, but a slap on the wrist or suspension would do.
  • CatchyPJUserNameCatchyPJUserName Posts: 17
    He was given a chance to speak... he wasn't censored. The fact that he continued to speak when his time was up, then to cause a scene, cut into other people's chance to speak... in effect, he was censoring everyone else by only letting them hear his questions and opinions...
  • woundedorganwoundedorgan Posts: 607
    CatchyPJUserName wrote:
    He was given a chance to speak... he wasn't censored. The fact that he continued to speak when his time was up, then to cause a scene, cut into other people's chance to speak... in effect, he was censoring everyone else by only letting them hear his questions and opinions...


    He continued to speak except he is wailing in pain after being hit with electricity....look...he was a dick, I accept that...but if you watch the video, you will see that before he was able to get his words out, 2 security gaurds actually grab him...to me that is censorship....He did not start making a disturbance until he was removed by force....If you listen you will hear people clapping when he was speaking...so I interpret this as an over reaction and censorship...You may be wrong about who was censoring who, please think about it....
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  • rriversrrivers Posts: 3,698
    UF should question why they have cops who can't subdue what looks like a 150 lb kid without a taser when there outnumber him 6 to 1.
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  • CatchyPJUserNameCatchyPJUserName Posts: 17
    woundedorgan wrote:
    He continued to speak except he is wailing in pain after being hit with electricity....look...he was a dick, I accept that...but if you watch the video, you will see that before he was able to get his words out, 2 security gaurds actually grab him...to me that is censorship....He did not start making a disturbance until he was removed by force....If you listen you will hear people clapping when he was speaking...so I interpret this as an over reaction and censorship...You may be wrong about who was censoring who, please think about it....

    no, the videos they are showing only show him being dragged and (deservingly) shocked. He was given the microphone. He had his say. His time ran out. He decided to continue to speak, thereby cutting into other people's time. He was censoring everyone else in the room by not letting them have their turn to speak.

    Are you sure they weren't applauding because the authorities were getting rid of a nuisance?
  • PahkTheCahPahkTheCah Posts: 193
    CatchyPJUserName wrote:
    He was given a chance to speak... he wasn't censored. The fact that he continued to speak when his time was up, then to cause a scene, cut into other people's chance to speak... in effect, he was censoring everyone else by only letting them hear his questions and opinions...


    Well put.

    I will say this though, watching people get tazed far surpasses my love for watching people trip and fall.
  • FreakshowFreakshow Posts: 8
    Funk the po-lease. No, but seriously, they had to taze because if they hadn't we would have seen a fair fight (one 6'3" young stud with a hard-on against three FORMER jocks and Judy Garland). Everyone knows police officers have to avoid fair fights; as soon as the cops start losing fights on CNN anarchy breaks out all over this Spike Lee joint. What?

    By the way have you ever noticed that in the "Police Oath Thing" they don't specify who they agree to "serve and protect"? hmmm....
  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    What exactly is a cop's IQ???

    I have friends who are cops and am considering being one myself. All have college degrees. All have high IQs.. You're making a big fucking generalization.

    Hanging people for giving out a shock of electricity? Get real. They were excessive, but a slap on the wrist or suspension would do.


    Ocean, why would you even bother responding to an ignorant statement like JamMaster's? dont waste your energy.

    the guy causing a scene was absolutely anticipated and that was his purpose. they said that he runs a political blog and posts politically based videos on youtube. obviosuly this guy knows that the questions at these things are usually pre-screened and asking a question like "did you belong to the skull and bones society?" is not going to be answered. he was there with the intention of causing trouble. yes, he deserved to be tazered. then he said that he thought the cops were gonna kill him if he left with them. give me a break.
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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    lowlight10 wrote:
    Ocean, why would you even bother responding to an ignorant statement like JamMaster's? dont waste your energy.


    don't point your fucking finger at me.

    ignorance is thinking that this behavior by police is exceptable.

    i guess we should all lay down and submit!

    fucking jellyfish,you're helping to destroy this country!!!!
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  • Chris1401Chris1401 Posts: 354
    Was the guy an idiot...yes

    Was he threatening other students, Kerry or the cops...no

    Should the cops have removed him and dealt with it in hallway outside...yes

    Should a taser be used when you have an unarmed "protestor" who has no violated a law and is already being subdubed by five cops? Hell no.

    That's where my problem lies. This guy was nuts, however there were no grounds for the taser. Those things are not a proven alternative to anything...they can kill and certainly this young man deserved to be removed, but not tasered and possibly killed.

    Just another misjudgement by our supposed finest.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Chris1401 wrote:
    Was the guy an idiot...yes

    Was he threatening other students, Kerry or the cops...no

    Should the cops have removed him and dealt with it in hallway outside...yes

    he is an idiot for asking questions that the media whores won't dare to ask?

    gee,i guess George Washington was an idiot for opposing king George?

    what happened to the people in this country? we are a nation of sheep.
    it makes me sick.
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    CatchyPJUserName wrote:
    no, the videos they are showing only show him being dragged and (deservingly) shocked. He was given the microphone. He had his say. His time ran out. He decided to continue to speak, thereby cutting into other people's time. He was censoring everyone else in the room by not letting them have their turn to speak.

    Are you sure they weren't applauding because the authorities were getting rid of a nuisance?

    he wasn't cutting into anyone's time, ecpect john kerry's maybe. hte guy that asked a question before the man we are talking about was supposedly the last one, as the speech and question and answer thing was over. this dude asked for a chance to speak as well, and kerry granted it. it was the cops who were trying to shut him up, not kerry. kerry said to let him finish. then 6 people dragged 1 dude around and tazed him.
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  • Two BirdsTwo Birds Posts: 256
    SPALMA wrote:
    my son (who is also a PJ fan) and a UF senior marched in a protest on campus yesterday. (I am proud of that!)

    I think the taser-ee was an ass and the taser-ors were only justified because of the prevalent "zero tolerance" mode we have been in since 9-11. I don't agree, and we need to change this - but the police were operating within now accepted parameters.

    I am more worried about the recent censorings (PJ internet show) and Sally Fields (network).


    Well said and I agree.
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  • pjsycopjsyco Wilmington, NC Posts: 646
    JamMastaE wrote:
    don't point your fucking finger at me.

    ignorance is thinking that this behavior by police is exceptable.

    i guess we should all lay down and submit!

    fucking jellyfish,you're helping to destroy this country!!!!

    Before you question someone's I.Q., why don't you learn to spell acceptable....I say tase away, the jerk deserved it.
  • LizardkingLizardking Posts: 936
    Not sure who I'm voting for next time, but this didn't help John Kerry's case!!


    Let the guy speak, he asked good questions, I hate politicians, they are all fucking crooks!!!
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