Why Do We Even Fight Against Terrorism?

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I trust everone here has read PNAC and is familiar with all the authors?

    The noble war on terror

    hahahahah! (hahahaa)

    Let's just say I'm not convinced in the least.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PNAC was first written in Israel.

    Some of big players include:

    Dick Cheney
    Donald Rumsfeld
    Paul Wolfowitz
    Jeb Bush
    Lewis Libby
    Richard Perle

    ....also Douglas Feith, Bill Kristal, Elliot Abrams, Aaron Friedberg, Donald Kagan, Robert Kagan, Stephen Rosen (the AIPAC employee caught spying on the US) Eliot A. Cohen, Paula Dobriansky, Fred C. Ikle, and Norman Podhoretz, All Zionists and all Jewish. That's not anti-Semetic it's just the truth and what that means is they have dual citizenship and put the another nation's interests ahead of the US.

    Who is doing what? Is it Israel now, or the US....dual-citizens making big (huge) policies seem to abound...

    hmm
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    NMyTree wrote:
    Anyone who has a true interest in fighting Terrorism and the Terrorists commiting it, would know that you can't fight it this way.

    Diplomacy (without appeasment and pandering), Policy changes and a thorough investigation of it all; would be the first step to fighting Terrorism.

    With our government and corporate interests, cleaning up our own backyard first and then addressing our fickle and highly biased foreign policy; would be the first steps.

    That would expose the true terrorists for what they are and seperate them from the one's who actually have a good, valid reason to be angry with the USA and hold a grudge.
    exactly. we had the world on our side, everyone condemned the attacks. most of the Arab world was willing to pretty much give us full support in diplomatic ways of handling it... not bombing and occupying Afghanistan...
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    AiCPearlJamWeen wrote:
    Terrorism will never die and I think we should all just deal with it and keep to our god damn selves. It's so stupid to spend billions a week on the "war on terror" when it looks like we haven't even made a dent after 8 years. How much have we spent? The US just keeps digging itself into a hole with all the attention going to terrorism when we have debts to China. If I ever get a chance to move out of the US I am taking it.


    Just like the war on drugs, the war against terrorism is just a metaphoric catch all phrase to control, whether it's land, natural resources, financial resources, intellectual resources, people or whole governments these idealistic concept of wars have no ending. Moving to another country will not solve your problem because the war on terrorism is based on superiority. The concept that my way of thinking, of living, and of being me, is better than yours and you. There is no live and let live those words are viewed as non-conformist terrorist rhetoric.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    _outlaw wrote:
    exactly. we had the world on our side, everyone condemned the attacks. most of the Arab world was willing to pretty much give us full support in diplomatic ways of handling it... not bombing and occupying Afghanistan...


    Or Iraq.

    That was like being given the key to a city and full free access to anything and everything any given city has to offer.

    But instead of using humility, integrity, thoughtfullness and intellect; you go get get drunk out of your mind, get behind the wheel of a 1970's four door Cadillac and then drive your drunk-ass wrecklessly through the streets, sidewalks, Malls and run over a few hundred innocent pedestrians and shoppers.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    AiCPearlJamWeen wrote:
    Terrorism will never die and I think we should all just deal with it and keep to our god damn selves. It's so stupid to spend billions a week on the "war on terror" when it looks like we haven't even made a dent after 8 years. How much have we spent? The US just keeps digging itself into a hole with all the attention going to terrorism when we have debts to China. If I ever get a chance to move out of the US I am taking it.
    I'm not even afraid of Al-Qaida. They had one good day. And they had to buy a plane ticket to do it.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    Actually, believe it or not, most Arabs are not happy with the occupation of Afghanistan.

    Well, shit, most Southerners weren't happy with the Civil War. Sometimes in this world, you have to do what you have to do, no matter how many people you offend.

    Ousting the Taliban is one of those things that needed to be done.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Well, shit, most Southerners weren't happy with the Civil War. Sometimes in this world, you have to do what you have to do, no matter how many people you offend.

    Ousting the Taliban is one of those things that needed to be done.
    Invading Afghanistan was a terrible crime against the people of Afghanistan.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Commy wrote:
    Invading Afghanistan was a terrible crime against the people of Afghanistan.

    That's true.

    It's a shame their government put them in that situation.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    AiCPearlJamWeen wrote:
    If I ever get a chance to move out of the US I am taking it.

    From what i understand, Iran is a pleasant place to relocate. Nothing but peace loving, neighborly types there.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    slightofjeff wrote:
    That's true.

    It's a shame their government put them in that situation.

    I was going to post the same thing.

    We agree a lot for two people who vote on opposite sides of the spectrum. ;)
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    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    cornnifer wrote:
    From what i understand, Iran is a pleasant place to relocate. Nothing but peace loving, neighborly types there.

    LOL!!!

    I can put anyone interested in touch with my GF's family who lives there. They can tell you all about there wonderful gov't.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Look what doing nothing got us....

    9-11


    Well, if you consider occupying various foreign nations in the middle east along with meddling with the internal affairs of those countries as "doing nothing" then I guess you are right, "doing nothing" got us 9/11.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Well, if you consider occupying various foreign nations in the middle east along with meddling with the internal affairs of those countries as "doing nothing" then I guess you are right, "doing nothing" got us 9/11.

    And here comes the Blame America First crowd, right on cue ...
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    And here comes the Blame America First crowd, right on cue ...
    actually they made a simple point-you said the US did nothing and was attacked on 9/11, which is untrue.
  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    Fighting terrorism is something we SHOULD do. We were doing it long before 9-11. The problem is that the administration has used fear tactics to label basically anyone with different political views as "linked to Al Qaeda". The Neo-Cons have used that as an excuse to buy a lot of oil and military equipment and establish bases to project power from.

    We, as a people, need to learn to stop allowing our leaders to sacrifice the values the country was built on in order to "keep us safe". Eroding our civil liberties is a slippery slope that begins with holding someone without charging them that results in imprisoning people people without chargng them. That's not very far way from the Black Maria days.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Commy wrote:
    actually they made a simple point-you said the US did nothing and was attacked on 9/11, which is untrue.

    Actually, I didn't say that at all. Some other fella did.

    Although, I suppose I could have.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    _outlaw wrote:
    exactly. we had the world on our side, everyone condemned the attacks. most of the Arab world was willing to pretty much give us full support in diplomatic ways of handling it... not bombing and occupying Afghanistan...

    and you know this how? not saying it is false but i am just wondering what conenctions you have to the Arab world wher you can say this.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Actually, I didn't say that at all. Some other fella did.

    Although, I suppose I could have.
    my bad
  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    I think folks need to do a better job differentiating between Iraq and Afghanistan. We needed to go to Afghanistan for multiple reasons. The Taliban REALLY is evil and REALLY was training groups for attacks on the US. The Taliban was also probably one of the most repressive regimes in the world. Most press, even Al-Jazeera, supported US intervention in Afghanistan in initially. That's not to say that Arab and Islamic nations don't watch the happenings there with a suspicious eye, we've given them justification for that. Now, our efforts there haven't made everyone happy, but we were very justified in establishing a presence there. We've actually had one there since the 1980s.

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