The brave Joe Biden

Wilds

BinFrog wrote:

I am willing to give him a shot for several reasons. Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent. But I sure as hell liked Clinton's administration more than either Bush's administrations. McCain is WAY too much like W., and Obama is much more like Clinton who, aside from personal indiscretions, was a fairly good president. This is not pre-2000. I can't vote for a 3rd party candidate. Maybe I will again in 4-8 years, if and when the country turns for the better and I can be idealistic again. To me, Obama is WAY lesser of the 2 evils and I want to give him a shot. I side with him on some issues and not others...but way more than I do with McCain.

As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush. I think we need a president with not only a plan, but with charisma. I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office. Maybe that's simplistic, but I think it's true. We need something different, and Obama may not be perfect but I think he's a good choice for the state we are in as a nation.

I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. Obama just makes sense right now. I don’t expect perfection from him. I just expect change, and like I said, I do side with him on some issues...far more than I do with McCain. To me, it makes sense to vote for him.

I pretty much agree with all you said. I think we will be a better member of the world community. I think we will be slightly less war hungry. And I think we might even begin to see our deficit come down as it did under Clinton.

I'm just jaded by the entire system as it is taken over by our (Corporation ruled) monetary system. Seems like something hard to get out from under.

Open

jimed14 wrote:

You know, if you're gonna spread the republican talking points, you might want to realize some of us are going to be smart enough to get the ENTIRE story ...

F.[/b]

That's all this guy does.....half truths and presents opinions as facts.

jimed14

Open wrote:

That's all this guy does.....half truths and presents opinions as facts.

agreed

BinFrog

Wilds wrote:

I'm just jaded by the entire system as it is taken over by our monetary system. Seem something hard to get out from under.

Well, yeah. Money rules our political system. It's the way of the world. We base our economic and military decisions on money, be it in the form of trade, oil, lobbyists, big business, and on and on. There's no way around that until humanity as a whole realizes we're all being foolish and destroying the ourselves and more importantly the planet which, in the end, will go on without us...or our money.

We've lost track of what is truly important. In that regard, it's a very sad world to be living in. More than ever, we are lost.

prytoj

jimed14 wrote:

You know, if you're gonna spread the republican talking points, you might want to realize some of us are going to be smart enough to get the ENTIRE story ...

From FOX NEWS no less ...

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/biden-obama-tested-world-months-administration/

"Remember I said it standing here. if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough -- I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen," Biden continued.

The Delaware senator's remarks were the second of their kind over the weekend. At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Biden said Obama's challengers will "find out this guy's got steel in his spine" whenhe is tested.

I posted the entire thing in the other thread

prytoj

I post opinion, I post fact, but the two are different.

If you have a half-truth, why not call me out on it rather than pissing like little biatches?

cuz you can't

heads in the sand....

yoiu;re just pissed cuz you got NUTHIN but platitudes!

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

I posted the entire thing in the other thread

but had no issue starting a new thread with only half the story ...

prytoj

jimed14 wrote:

but had no issue starting a new thread with only half the story ...

whatever, the quote is the quote. it is unedited and completely in context. eat it.

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

whatever, the quote is the quote. it is unedited and completely in context. eat it.

aren't you supposed to end your opinions with your signature? "FACT!"

BinFrog

prytoj wrote:

whatever, the quote is the quote. it is unedited and completely in context. eat it.

Did you just use the term "eat it" in a political thread and expect us to take you seriously?

Commy

prytoj wrote:

whatever, the quote is the quote. it is unedited and completely in context. eat it.

must say, you left out the most important part of the quote. In context? not quite.

The Delaware senator's remarks were the second of their kind over the weekend. At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Biden said Obama's challengers will "find out this guy's got steel in his spine" when he is tested.
-kind of the most important part of the quote.

jimed14

BinFrog wrote:

Did you just use the term "eat it" in a political thread and expect us to take you seriously?

if you have been around here for the past two weeks, you'll know it's par for the course.

prytoj

I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.

I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.

BinFrog

prytoj wrote:

I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.

I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.

Well, start a provoking thread, or even a half coherent thought, and we'll see what develops. I'm down for a challenge.

DixieN

prytoj wrote:

Senator Biden has now seen the inner workings of the Obama machine, and he's had enough. Biden's foreign policy experience, his love of country, and his growing awareness of what an Obama presidency actually means, have led him to deliver the warning: world despots will be anxious to attack this country if Obama becomes president...

“Mark my words,” Mr. Biden warned at the Seattle fund-raiser, according to reports from network producers traveling with him, “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

Carefully disguised as support, there's little doubt that a man of Biden's tenure in politics didn't know what he was saying.

It's getting sicker by the day.

An Obama Presidency is unacceptable.

No foreign despots were anxious to attack the US under a man like George Bush. Nope, elect Bush the III--McCain--and no despot would dare to attack. You know that 9/11 was the anticipatory hit for Obama even daring to run for president. Let's not vote for Obama, the man best suited to the presidency, because the world is full of idiots who might do idiotic things. Let's elect someone totally unsuited for the presidency because we like watching a 72 year old have temper tantrums that will amuse foreign despots so much they won't be able to quit laughing to attack us. That sounds like good policy to me!

prytoj

Commy wrote:

must say, you left out the most important part of the quote. In context? not quite.

The Delaware senator's remarks were the second of their kind over the weekend. At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Biden said Obama's challengers will "find out this guy's got steel in his spine" when he is tested.
-kind of the most important part of the quote.

Okay, although I think it doesn't really change the gravity of the sentiment, I should have made sure to post the whole thing.

I was the only one who posted the direct quotes to begin with. I did post the complete quote, with video, on the other thread. I felt it redundant to re-post. My mistake.

Now, back to calling me a liar...

jimed14

prytoj wrote:

I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.

I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.

Paranoia much? I don't know you, so, how can I dislike you?

I just think you have been posting republican talking points and spinning opinion like it's fact for the past two weeks ... and last week, ending your opinion filled comments with "FACT!", somehow, making them fact in your mind.

Commy

prytoj wrote:

Okay, although I think it doesn't really change the gravity of the sentiment, I should have made sure to post the whole thing.

I was the only one who posted the direct quotes to begin with. I did post the complete quote, with video, on the other thread. I felt it redundant to re-post. My mistake.

Now, back to calling me a liar...

actually it does exactly that, change the sentiment.


saying

'if obama is elected we will be attacked'

is very different from

'if obama is elected he can handle it IF we are attacked.'

very different...and no you didn't lie...still, very misleading.

prytoj

BinFrog wrote:

I am willing to give him a shot for several reasons. Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent. But I sure as hell liked Clinton's administration more than either Bush's administrations. McCain is WAY too much like W., and Obama is much more like Clinton who, aside from personal indiscretions, was a fairly good president. This is not pre-2000. I can't vote for a 3rd party candidate. Maybe I will again in 4-8 years, if and when the country turns for the better and I can be idealistic again. To me, Obama is WAY lesser of the 2 evils and I want to give him a shot. I side with him on some issues and not others...but way more than I do with McCain.

As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush. I think we need a president with not only a plan, but with charisma. I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office. Maybe that's simplistic, but I think it's true. We need something different, and Obama may not be perfect but I think he's a good choice for the state we are in as a nation.

I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. Obama just makes sense right now. I don’t expect perfection from him. I just expect change, and like I said, I do side with him on some issues...far more than I do with McCain. To me, it makes sense to vote for him.

It is you, in fact, who is full of shiat....

"Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent"
well, a pretty large extent, as I have demonstrated.

"As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush."
jesus, set your standards high much?

"I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office"
you're even dumber than i thought, that's beyond naive.

you agree with him more, and a black president makes us look better.
holy moly
the fact that you agree with Obama more should be your first clue, don't hurt yourself with that butter knife...
some concrete would be good, but you got none.

prytoj

Commy wrote:

actually it does exactly that, change the sentiment.


saying

'if obama is elected we will be attacked'

is very different from

'if obama is elected he can handle it IF we are attacked.'

very different...and no you didn't lie...still, very misleading.

so, the fact that you think he'll have the balls, means we should invite them to try?

This is the point of the thing. It has nothing to do with his ability to handle things, but that people are more willling to mess with us if Obama's president.

That's what Biden's saying that I thought was important.