whatever, the quote is the quote. it is unedited and completely in context. eat it.
must say, you left out the most important part of the quote. In context? not quite.
The Delaware senator's remarks were the second of their kind over the weekend. At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Biden said Obama's challengers will "find out this guy's got steel in his spine" when he is tested.
-kind of the most important part of the quote.
I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.
I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.
I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.
I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.
Well, start a provoking thread, or even a half coherent thought, and we'll see what develops. I'm down for a challenge.
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Senator Biden has now seen the inner workings of the Obama machine, and he's had enough. Biden's foreign policy experience, his love of country, and his growing awareness of what an Obama presidency actually means, have led him to deliver the warning: world despots will be anxious to attack this country if Obama becomes president...
“Mark my words,” Mr. Biden warned at the Seattle fund-raiser, according to reports from network producers traveling with him, “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
Carefully disguised as support, there's little doubt that a man of Biden's tenure in politics didn't know what he was saying.
It's getting sicker by the day.
An Obama Presidency is unacceptable.
No foreign despots were anxious to attack the US under a man like George Bush. Nope, elect Bush the III--McCain--and no despot would dare to attack. You know that 9/11 was the anticipatory hit for Obama even daring to run for president. Let's not vote for Obama, the man best suited to the presidency, because the world is full of idiots who might do idiotic things. Let's elect someone totally unsuited for the presidency because we like watching a 72 year old have temper tantrums that will amuse foreign despots so much they won't be able to quit laughing to attack us. That sounds like good policy to me!
must say, you left out the most important part of the quote. In context? not quite.
The Delaware senator's remarks were the second of their kind over the weekend. At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Biden said Obama's challengers will "find out this guy's got steel in his spine" when he is tested.
-kind of the most important part of the quote.
Okay, although I think it doesn't really change the gravity of the sentiment, I should have made sure to post the whole thing.
I was the only one who posted the direct quotes to begin with. I did post the complete quote, with video, on the other thread. I felt it redundant to re-post. My mistake.
I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.
I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.
Paranoia much? I don't know you, so, how can I dislike you?
I just think you have been posting republican talking points and spinning opinion like it's fact for the past two weeks ... and last week, ending your opinion filled comments with "FACT!", somehow, making them fact in your mind.
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Okay, although I think it doesn't really change the gravity of the sentiment, I should have made sure to post the whole thing.
I was the only one who posted the direct quotes to begin with. I did post the complete quote, with video, on the other thread. I felt it redundant to re-post. My mistake.
Now, back to calling me a liar...
actually it does exactly that, change the sentiment.
saying
'if obama is elected we will be attacked'
is very different from
'if obama is elected he can handle it IF we are attacked.'
very different...and no you didn't lie...still, very misleading.
I am willing to give him a shot for several reasons. Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent. But I sure as hell liked Clinton's administration more than either Bush's administrations. McCain is WAY too much like W., and Obama is much more like Clinton who, aside from personal indiscretions, was a fairly good president. This is not pre-2000. I can't vote for a 3rd party candidate. Maybe I will again in 4-8 years, if and when the country turns for the better and I can be idealistic again. To me, Obama is WAY lesser of the 2 evils and I want to give him a shot. I side with him on some issues and not others...but way more than I do with McCain.
As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush. I think we need a president with not only a plan, but with charisma. I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office. Maybe that's simplistic, but I think it's true. We need something different, and Obama may not be perfect but I think he's a good choice for the state we are in as a nation.
I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. Obama just makes sense right now. I don’t expect perfection from him. I just expect change, and like I said, I do side with him on some issues...far more than I do with McCain. To me, it makes sense to vote for him.
It is you, in fact, who is full of shiat....
"Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent"
well, a pretty large extent, as I have demonstrated.
"As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush."
jesus, set your standards high much?
"I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office"
you're even dumber than i thought, that's beyond naive.
you agree with him more, and a black president makes us look better.
holy moly
the fact that you agree with Obama more should be your first clue, don't hurt yourself with that butter knife...
some concrete would be good, but you got none.
actually it does exactly that, change the sentiment.
saying
'if obama is elected we will be attacked'
is very different from
'if obama is elected he can handle it IF we are attacked.'
very different...and no you didn't lie...still, very misleading.
so, the fact that you think he'll have the balls, means we should invite them to try?
This is the point of the thing. It has nothing to do with his ability to handle things, but that people are more willling to mess with us if Obama's president.
That's what Biden's saying that I thought was important.
"Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent"
well, a pretty large extent, as I have demonstrated.
"As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush."
jesus, set your standards high much?
"I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office" you're even dumber than i thought, that's beyond naive.
you agree with him more, and a black president makes us look better.
holy moly the fact that you agree with Obama more should be your first clue, don't hurt yourself with that butter knife...
some concrete would be good, but you got none.
jeez man ... do you feel all better inside throwing these insults at people?
is that how you are "demonstrating" your points?
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
To be fair, I'd like to think you're just a kid saying stuff, but I'm still waiting for you to point out how "half-truthed" I am.
it was already proven by debunking your original post with the rest of what Biden had to say ...
and if you seriously think Biden is "inviting" the U.S. to be attacked, you're every bit as silly as the people who took McCain's quote about being in Iraq for 100 years and stating McCain wanted to fight a 100 year war.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
so, the fact that you think he'll have the balls, means we should invite them to try?
This is the point of the thing. It has nothing to do with his ability to handle things, but that people are more willling to mess with us if Obama's president.
That's what Biden's saying that I thought was important.
Both candidates were briefed by the Whitehouse...apparently something is going down in 6 months or so. Then there are reports of US soldiers being trained to deal with domestic issues. So something is going to happen, according to the Whitehouse and their policy, very soon.
Biden simply thinks Obama can handle it. That's it.
me? I'm barely willing to vote for Obama as it is, but you have to be out your mind to think McCain is the better candidate.
Both candidates were briefed by the Whitehouse...apparently something is going down in 6 months or so. Then there are reports of US soldiers being trained to deal with domestic issues. So something is going to happen, according to the Whitehouse and their policy, very soon.
Biden simply thinks Obama can handle it. That's it.
me? I'm barely willing to vote for Obama as it is, but you have to be out your mind to think McCain is the better candidate.
I asked for an article on this a couple hours ago, and never got it.
well, if there's anything you'd like to debate, we can do that.
just attacking me for having an opinion, though, without debating the subject itself, is pretty messed up.
The whole quote was posted on the original Biden thread, by me. That was where the discussion started with just a couple of sentences. Your welcome for the entire thing, as some otherwise wouldn't have known, unfair as I am
My thread is pointing out the importance of the meaning behind Biden's words that he said with such conviction. The fact that Biden mixed in a "i think he can handle it" was not MY point.
Debate that, not whether or not I'm a right wing mouthpiece.
I've been pretty careful to state that I'm an independent conservative, so there's no secret where I'm coming from.
I'm pretty sure what he means is that Obama has an obscene amount of work ahead of him and he is going to be criticized and tested indefinitely until he has fixed our global problems and that will only demonstrate Obama's sound nature that Biden has been supporting during this campaign.
Both candidates were briefed by the Whitehouse...apparently something is going down in 6 months or so. Then there are reports of US soldiers being trained to deal with domestic issues. So something is going to happen, according to the Whitehouse and their policy, very soon.
Biden simply thinks Obama can handle it. That's it.
me? I'm barely willing to vote for Obama as it is, but you have to be out your mind to think McCain is the better candidate.
Okay, I can't believe that a veep candidate would say something that sensitive. I mean, if intelligence suggests we're going to have a crisis in six months, would somebody like Biden really come out and talk about it? then politicize it by selling Obama?
Just not adding up, but I'm still waiting for some more info. I've been looking and can't find it.
Okay, I can't believe that a veep candidate would say something that sensitive. I mean, if intelligence suggests we're going to have a crisis in six months, would somebody like Biden really come out and talk about it? then politicize it by selling Obama?
Just not adding up, but I'm still waiting for some more info. I've been looking and can't find it.
THAT may be the absolute difference between Obama-Biden and all other admins. There is a compelling sensitivity behind their statements and speeches that I do not see in McCain-Palin, inparticular. I notice it all the time and that this sensitivity comes from who they are as people and will color what they can do in the future.
Okay, I can't believe that a veep candidate would say something that sensitive. I mean, if intelligence suggests we're going to have a crisis in six months, would somebody like Biden really come out and talk about it? then politicize it by selling Obama?
Just not adding up, but I'm still waiting for some more info. I've been looking and can't find it.
Has it ever occured to you that Joe's just full of shit and he thought he was saying something important but instead he was just making shit up....
I mean... don't you know Joe just says crazy things
I know you don't like me. that's okay. but say something relevant. Prove me wrong. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're just angry.
I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.
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Both candidates were briefed by the Whitehouse...apparently something is going down in 6 months or so. Then there are reports of US soldiers being trained to deal with domestic issues. So something is going to happen, according to the Whitehouse and their policy, very soon.
Biden simply thinks Obama can handle it. That's it.
me? I'm barely willing to vote for Obama as it is, but you have to be out your mind to think McCain is the better candidate.
I've been looking for something somewhere to coroborate what you're saying, and I can't find it.
All attacks aside, I'll stick with my orignal post on this.
Biden is also a long-time member and current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In 1997, he became the ranking minority member and chaired the committee from June 2001 through 2003. When Democrats re-took control of the Senate following the 2006 elections, Biden again assumed the top spot on the committee in 2007.
HAHA. Nice spin. Bill O' Reilly would be proud. No matter how much you say it's not "acceptable", it doesn't make it any less likely. It's impending...and you can feel it.
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Biden is also a long-time member and current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In 1997, he became the ranking minority member and chaired the committee from June 2001 through 2003. When Democrats re-took control of the Senate following the 2006 elections, Biden again assumed the top spot on the committee in 2007.
yeah, he's full of shit I guess. Good to know.
your partisan bs doesn't change the fact that we've had 8 years of what is by now pretty much accepted as the worst president in history. and you want to elect a member of his party, someone that voted for his policies 95% of the time. not me.
Biden is also a long-time member and current chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In 1997, he became the ranking minority member and chaired the committee from June 2001 through 2003. When Democrats re-took control of the Senate following the 2006 elections, Biden again assumed the top spot on the committee in 2007.
yeah, he's full of shit I guess. Good to know.
Looks like a Wikipedia entry copied verbatim to me. Except the last 2 sentences of course. Biden isn't full of shit. Anyone who thinks he was somehow warning of an attack is though. I didn't see or hear any implication of an attack in his statement. Crisis doesn't necessarily mean attack. That's only in the fear mongering world of the extreme right.
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The Delaware senator's remarks were the second of their kind over the weekend. At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Biden said Obama's challengers will "find out this guy's got steel in his spine" when he is tested.
-kind of the most important part of the quote.
if you have been around here for the past two weeks, you'll know it's par for the course.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I'm just a guy. You think you're so freakin' smart then tell me somethin' I don't know.
Well, start a provoking thread, or even a half coherent thought, and we'll see what develops. I'm down for a challenge.
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No foreign despots were anxious to attack the US under a man like George Bush. Nope, elect Bush the III--McCain--and no despot would dare to attack. You know that 9/11 was the anticipatory hit for Obama even daring to run for president. Let's not vote for Obama, the man best suited to the presidency, because the world is full of idiots who might do idiotic things. Let's elect someone totally unsuited for the presidency because we like watching a 72 year old have temper tantrums that will amuse foreign despots so much they won't be able to quit laughing to attack us. That sounds like good policy to me!
Okay, although I think it doesn't really change the gravity of the sentiment, I should have made sure to post the whole thing.
I was the only one who posted the direct quotes to begin with. I did post the complete quote, with video, on the other thread. I felt it redundant to re-post. My mistake.
Now, back to calling me a liar...
Paranoia much? I don't know you, so, how can I dislike you?
I just think you have been posting republican talking points and spinning opinion like it's fact for the past two weeks ... and last week, ending your opinion filled comments with "FACT!", somehow, making them fact in your mind.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
saying
'if obama is elected we will be attacked'
is very different from
'if obama is elected he can handle it IF we are attacked.'
very different...and no you didn't lie...still, very misleading.
It is you, in fact, who is full of shiat....
"Do I think he is a savior? No. He is a democrat and definitely part of the machine to an extent"
well, a pretty large extent, as I have demonstrated.
"As you said, all signs point towards it being a better administration that W's. Then again, that's not hard. Obama could be the 2nd worst president of all-time and still be better than Bush."
jesus, set your standards high much?
"I think the world will look at us differently with a well spoken, charismatic, seemingly open-minded African-American man in office"
you're even dumber than i thought, that's beyond naive.
you agree with him more, and a black president makes us look better.
holy moly
the fact that you agree with Obama more should be your first clue, don't hurt yourself with that butter knife...
some concrete would be good, but you got none.
so, the fact that you think he'll have the balls, means we should invite them to try?
This is the point of the thing. It has nothing to do with his ability to handle things, but that people are more willling to mess with us if Obama's president.
That's what Biden's saying that I thought was important.
jeez man ... do you feel all better inside throwing these insults at people?
is that how you are "demonstrating" your points?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
it was already proven by debunking your original post with the rest of what Biden had to say ...
and if you seriously think Biden is "inviting" the U.S. to be attacked, you're every bit as silly as the people who took McCain's quote about being in Iraq for 100 years and stating McCain wanted to fight a 100 year war.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
This thread sums you up:
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=306419
Both candidates were briefed by the Whitehouse...apparently something is going down in 6 months or so. Then there are reports of US soldiers being trained to deal with domestic issues. So something is going to happen, according to the Whitehouse and their policy, very soon.
Biden simply thinks Obama can handle it. That's it.
me? I'm barely willing to vote for Obama as it is, but you have to be out your mind to think McCain is the better candidate.
I asked for an article on this a couple hours ago, and never got it.
well, if there's anything you'd like to debate, we can do that.
just attacking me for having an opinion, though, without debating the subject itself, is pretty messed up.
The whole quote was posted on the original Biden thread, by me. That was where the discussion started with just a couple of sentences. Your welcome for the entire thing, as some otherwise wouldn't have known, unfair as I am
My thread is pointing out the importance of the meaning behind Biden's words that he said with such conviction. The fact that Biden mixed in a "i think he can handle it" was not MY point.
Debate that, not whether or not I'm a right wing mouthpiece.
I've been pretty careful to state that I'm an independent conservative, so there's no secret where I'm coming from.
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Okay, I can't believe that a veep candidate would say something that sensitive. I mean, if intelligence suggests we're going to have a crisis in six months, would somebody like Biden really come out and talk about it? then politicize it by selling Obama?
Just not adding up, but I'm still waiting for some more info. I've been looking and can't find it.
THAT may be the absolute difference between Obama-Biden and all other admins. There is a compelling sensitivity behind their statements and speeches that I do not see in McCain-Palin, inparticular. I notice it all the time and that this sensitivity comes from who they are as people and will color what they can do in the future.
Has it ever occured to you that Joe's just full of shit and he thought he was saying something important but instead he was just making shit up....
I mean... don't you know Joe just says crazy things
I don't think it means anything....
Here's something you don't know, SHIT.
Now you are a victim?
A prytoj's post is unacceptable...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
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I've been looking for something somewhere to coroborate what you're saying, and I can't find it.
All attacks aside, I'll stick with my orignal post on this.
yeah, he's full of shit I guess. Good to know.
HAHA. Nice spin. Bill O' Reilly would be proud. No matter how much you say it's not "acceptable", it doesn't make it any less likely. It's impending...and you can feel it.
Looks like a Wikipedia entry copied verbatim to me. Except the last 2 sentences of course. Biden isn't full of shit. Anyone who thinks he was somehow warning of an attack is though. I didn't see or hear any implication of an attack in his statement. Crisis doesn't necessarily mean attack. That's only in the fear mongering world of the extreme right.