The Double Standard

NCfan

How stupid is the world???

Hezbollah intentionally targets civillians and population centers with their rocket attacks.

Israel has the ability to flatten all of southern Lebanon, literally! Yet they try to limit civillian casualties with the use of strict rules of warefare and precision bombs. They fight an enemy who hides among civillians and uses them as sheilds against attacks.

The world applies a double standard to the two groups. Do people not see this double standard? Can somebody explain this to me?

blackredyellow

yes there is a double standard, and yes there should be. One is governement and a military of a democratic state, while the other is a well organized terrorist, or militia group. Different rules apply.

Shouldn't US Immigration officers be held to a different standard that some renegade 'minutemen" group?

Cosmo

NCfan wrote:

How stupid is the world???

Hezbollah intentionally targets civillians and population centers with their rocket attacks.

Israel has the ability to flatten all of southern Lebanon, literally! Yet they try to limit civillian casualties with the use of strict rules of warefare and precision bombs. They fight an enemy who hides among civillians and uses them as sheilds against attacks.

The world applies a double standard to the two groups. Do people not see this double standard? Can somebody explain this to me?

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Maybe the world should arm Hezbollah with tanks and planes and laser guided missiles so they can 'accurrately attack' Israel's military facilities and infrastructure insted of lobbing dumb bombs that fall anywhere.
Would that make you happy?

NMyTree

It's sad and disturbing.

It seems obvious what the situation is with Hezbullah, Lebenon and Israel.

Yet many ignore the obvious and dig and reach for distorted and twisted so-called facts.

I mean, we just had someone expose themselves for the rascist they really are, by calling a Jewish MT member (from Israel) a "Pig".:(:( We all know where the term "Pig" for Jewish people originates from and it's dispicable place in that culture. It's no secret.

This is a sad situation.

inmytree

NMyTree wrote:

It's sad and disturbing.

It seems obvious what the situation is with Hezbullah, Lebenon and Israel.

Yet many ignore the obvious and dig and reach for distorted and twisted so-called facts.

I mean, we just had someone expose themselves for the rascist they really are, by calling a Jewish MT member (from Israel) a "Pig".:(:( We all know where the term "Pig" for Jewish people originates from and it's dispicable place in that culture. It's no secret.

This is a sad situation.

um....I had no idea the term you mentioned was "racist"...I'm serious...I'm not saying it's ok to call anyone a "pig"...however, I honestly had no idea it has a racist meaning...

as for twisting facts....I recall a interview I saw in the Today show a while back, a fella defending bush said "the facts aren't right"....

NMyTree

inmytree wrote:

um....I had no idea the term you mentioned was "racist"...I'm serious...I'm not saying it's ok to call anyone a "pig"...however, I honestly had no idea it has a racist meaning...

It is. Disgustingly so. It's on the same level as calling a black person a nigger.

inmytree wrote:

as for twisting facts....I recall a interview I saw in the Today show a while back, a fella defending bush said "the facts aren't right"....

Bush and this Administration have lied about so much crap, I can't even imagine what that is refering to.

NCfan

blackredyellow wrote:

yes there is a double standard, and yes there should be. One is governement and a military of a democratic state, while the other is a well organized terrorist, or militia group. Different rules apply.

Shouldn't US Immigration officers be held to a different standard that some renegade 'minutemen" group?

So you are saying that Hezbollah does not have to limit collateral damage, but Israel does?

I hear you, but i don't understand the purpose of two sets of rules. If killing civillians is wrong in your view, Hezbollah should be held to the exact same degree of accountablility as israel. Should they not?

jsand

NCfan wrote:

So you are saying that Hezbollah does not have to limit collateral damage, but Israel does?

I hear you, but i don't understand the purpose of two sets of rules. If killing civillians is wrong in your view, Hezbollah should be held to the exact same degree of accountablility as israel. Should they not?

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

inmytree

jsand wrote:

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

and this means what...?

farfromglorified

I'm not really going to celebrate the serial killer that could kill thousands but rather chooses to kill only a few dozen.

NCfan

farfromglorified wrote:

I'm not really going to celebrate the serial killer that could kill thousands but rather chooses to kill only a few dozen.

I understand your point, and agree to a certain extent. But this is an example of compasion and decency by Isreal, and I think people should acknowledge that.

What this equates to is Israel giving its sworn enemy a chance to negotiate a peace, some sort of agreement. They are giving Hezbollah a chance to exist.

Israel is capable of totally eliminating Hezbollah militarily. The reason Hezbollah has political support is because they take advantage of Israel's leaniency and exploit it as their strength. When in reality, that is false.

Isreal slaps Hezbollah and Hamas on the wrist every time they do something bad. But if Isreal back-handed these groups across the room when they stepped out of line, then eventually their support would cease because people don't want to get back-handed.

Why do you think millions of people "decided" they didn't want to believe in Nazism after 1945? Is it because they would face death if they tried to continue that movement, or is it because after war forced them to face the reality of their ideology - they decided that it was wrong?

Either way, they both exemplify that good things can come at the point of a gun.

RockinInCanada

NCfan wrote:

I understand your point, and agree to a certain extent. But this is an example of compasion and decency by Isreal, and I think people should acknowledge that.

What this equates to is Israel giving its sworn enemy a chance to negotiate a peace, some sort of agreement. They are giving Hezbollah a chance to exist.

Israel is capable of totally eliminating Hezbollah militarily. The reason Hezbollah has political support is because they take advantage of Israel's leaniency and exploit it as their strength. When in reality, that is false.

Isreal slaps Hezbollah and Hamas on the wrist every time they do something bad. But if Isreal back-handed these groups across the room when they stepped out of line, then eventually their support would cease because people don't want to get back-handed.

Why do you think millions of people "decided" they didn't want to believe in Nazism after 1945? Is it because they would face death if they tried to continue that movement, or is it because after war forced them to face the reality of their ideology - they decided that it was wrong?

Either way, they both exemplify that good things can come at the point of a gun.

Nazi Germany is not even comparble to present day terrorism....two totally different situations.....and therefore must be handeled differently....

NCfan

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Nazi Germany is not even comparble to present day terrorism....two totally different situations.....and therefore must be handeled differently....

Actually, it goes a bit further than Israel just being "nice" to Hezbollah. Israel and the US/Britain have too much to lose by waging an all-out campaign against Islamic Fundamentalist.

I think we could win, but we keep holding out - waiting for the other side to change.

It's when we feel like we have nothing to lose, that is when the gloves will come off.

It's the same "sleeping giant" analogy. If we get hit hard enough by these Islamic terrorist, we will come at them with everything we have.

farfromglorified

NCfan wrote:

I understand your point, and agree to a certain extent. But this is an example of compasion and decency by Isreal, and I think people should acknowledge that.

No. It is not compassionate to drop leaflets followed by bombs. It is compassionate to not drop bombs.

It should be recognized that Israel does take steps to avoid civilian casualties. But that should not be celebrated simply because their enemies do not do this.

What this equates to is Israel giving its sworn enemy a chance to negotiate a peace, some sort of agreement. They are giving Hezbollah a chance to exist.

Such "chances" are not Israel's right to "give". Israel holds no ownership of the existence of Hezbollah, Lebanon, or anyone else.

Israel is capable of totally eliminating Hezbollah militarily. The reason Hezbollah has political support is because they take advantage of Israel's leaniency and exploit it as their strength. When in reality, that is false.

I agree with you here. It's a wise tactic and much of the world falls victim to it.

Isreal slaps Hezbollah and Hamas on the wrist every time they do something bad. But if Isreal back-handed these groups across the room when they stepped out of line, then eventually their support would cease because people don't want to get back-handed.

Disagree here. Suicidal, desperate people aren't really scared of backhanding.

Why do you think millions of people "decided" they didn't want to believe in Nazism after 1945? Is it because they would face death if they tried to continue that movement, or is it because after war forced them to face the reality of their ideology - they decided that it was wrong?

Ummm...I think you have it backwards. You might try asking if they believed it in the first place.

Either way, they both exemplify that good things can come at the point of a gun.

Nothing good comes at the point of a gun. To suggest that violence is good when it ends violence is a very troubling statement.

jsand

farfromglorified wrote:

Such "chances" are not Israel's right to "give". Israel holds no ownership of the existence of Hezbollah, Lebanon, or anyone else.

Israel has every right to decide on the existence of Hezbollah so long as it launches attacks on Israel and is sworn to Israel's destruction. As for Lebanon, Israel has every right to attack it so long as it aids, abets, harbors and fails to disarm Hezbollah.

farfromglorified

jsand wrote:

Israel has every right to decide on the existence of Hezbollah so long as it launches attacks on Israel and is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Really? Does Hezbollah have the opposite right then for everytime Israel kills one of its members or one of the citizens it represents?

As for Lebanon, Israel has every right to attack it so long as it aids, abets, harbors and fails to disarm Hezbollah.

Really? Does Lebanon have the opposite right then for everytime Israel aids, abets, harbors and fails to disarm the IDF?

jsand

farfromglorified wrote:

Really? Does Hezbollah have the opposite right then for everytime Israel kills one of its members or one of the citizens it represents?



Really? Does Lebanon have the opposite right then for everytime Israel aids, abets, harbors and fails to disarm the IDF?

More moral equivalence at its finest. I expected no less from the moving train.

polaris

its the same double standard as the west calling hezbollah "terrorists" but at the same time allowing israel to build checkpoints and walls, fire missles into markets, or that standard that allows the US to use depleted uranium everywhere? ... or the standard that allows certain countries to "terrorize" people all in the name of democracy ...

its much easier for us to rationalize suffering based on "right" and "wrong" ... it is much harder to look ourselves in the mirror when see what role we played in someone's death ...

jsand

polaris wrote:

its the same double standard as the west calling hezbollah "terrorists" but at the same time allowing israel to build checkpoints and walls, fire missles into markets, or that standard that allows the US to use depleted uranium everywhere? ... or the standard that allows certain countries to "terrorize" people all in the name of democracy ...

its much easier for us to rationalize suffering based on "right" and "wrong" ... it is much harder to look ourselves in the mirror when see what role we played in someone's death ...

The moral depravity on this board is astounding.

Abookamongstthemany

jsand wrote:

More moral equivalence at its finest. I expected no less from the moving train.

So why don't you try answering the question?

Cosmo

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So why don't you try answering the question?

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The guy really needs to have a nice grilled cheese sandwich... really.