Our Religious Nuts Versus Theirs

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MrBrian wrote:

and giving a green light or vote to drop bombs on people is what, more civil?

why yes it is

MichaelMcKevin

Simple.


Ours are all talk and no walk.

Theirs are the opposite.

Austicman

MrSmith wrote:

plus, there are maybe 12 KKK guys left holed up in Kentucky somewhere...

Don't forget the Skinheads.

Ahnimus

Christianity has a pretty solid history of violence. Many disbelievers died at the hands of Christians.

Either way, I agree that other more sever examples don't excuse anything, it's simply a red herring. A very common political tactic that has resulted in many deaths.

Is religion neurotic? I don't think so. Personally I'm more inclined to the theory of memetics. Daniel C Dennett does a lot of writing on this subject.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

With all religion, the deeper you go the scarier you get, and you don't have to look very far to see it. Racism abounds.

callen

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Is religion a mental disorder?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBLjVqrrjM

No...just coping mechanism.

redrock

Cosmo wrote:

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But, the bottom line is.. most Christians will speak out and truely condemn the killing of doctors and the bombing of clinics. But can the same be said for the majority of Muslims? What is their reaction when a car bomb kills people?

Yes, most muslims will condemn violence.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

NCfan wrote:

For those that think all zealots are equal, please take a look at this youtube clip.

http://www.towleroad.com/2007/11/pat-robertson-g.html

This is fucking crazy, but it's a far cry from trying to kill infedels. This is something specific to Islam. Sure, ultra right-wing Christians kill abortion doctors becuase they "sin". But I'm not sure I've ever heard of an instance of a Christian killing someone else for not believing.

This is an epidimic in the Islamic world. Please discuss.

Well I sure feel better knowing that "our" religious nuts will only kill others for sinning, and not for not believing...

fuck

810wmb wrote:

why yes it is

wow, do you even try to use your mind anymore?

you're like a follower of the Party, just like in 1984. The type of person that the government would love because you eat up anything they spit out at you.

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_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

wow, do you even try to use your mind anymore?

you're like a follower of the Party, just like in 1984. The type of person that the government would love because you eat up anything they spit out at you.

you are a fool

fuck

810wmb wrote:

you are a fool

I rest my case.

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_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

I rest my case.

sleep tight, you are still wrong

Cosmo

Cosmo wrote:

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But, the bottom line is.. most Christians will speak out and truely condemn the killing of doctors and the bombing of clinics. But can the same be said for the majority of Muslims? What is their reaction when a car bomb kills people?.

redrock wrote:

Yes, most muslims will condemn violence.

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I believe that, too.
But, what I wonder is... why don't they say it publicly?
Or... do they say it... but, we never get to hear it (via our media)?

NCfan

Collin wrote:

I'm sorry to say this but to me this discussion is rather pointless. Are the crimes of muslims extremists on average more severe, more extreme to the point of (frequently) killing people for the most insane things etc. than the crimes of the Christian extremists? Yes. I think most people will agree. But does that make the crimes and attrocities the Christian extremists commit ok? ... No? Then what exactly is the point of this thread?

No, I'm not trying to excuse any Christain crimes. A crime is a crime. I just wanted to post that Youtube clip becuase it is scary/funny and informative. And also just wanted to show that there is a difference between fanatics and the means they use to acheive their agendas.

There is a problem with modern Islam. It needs to undergo a reformation like the Christain church did hundreds of years ago. We need a foreign policy that steers people away from subscriping the radical stripe of Islam. Hopefully these types of believers will just die off as the world continues to liberalize and societies open up.

I don't think we need to invade any countries unless these types of radicals take over a government and start threatened their neighbors or the rest of the world. Otherwise let's just use soft pressure to gently lead these people to a better way of life. The best way to do that is to lead by example.

We need Obama in 08!

soulsinging

deadnothingbetter wrote:

at first the people were nice, the service wasn't completely out of the ordinary until when about the service was about to end the local pastor went to the pulpit and said in an aggressive and antogonizing tone, "i've been noticing some of you young ladies have been wearing short skirts. i don't want no whores in my church." then that was the last time we'd gone to that church. i was 16 back then.

mmm... girls in short skirts...

Collin

NCfan wrote:

No, I'm not trying to excuse any Christain crimes. A crime is a crime. I just wanted to post that Youtube clip becuase it is scary/funny and informative. And also just wanted to show that there is a difference between fanatics and the means they use to acheive their agendas.

There is a problem with modern Islam. It needs to undergo a reformation like the Christain church did hundreds of years ago. We need a foreign policy that steers people away from subscriping the radical stripe of Islam. Hopefully these types of believers will just die off as the world continues to liberalize and societies open up.

I'm glad you're not trying to excuse any crimes.

The Islam you see in the media is a political ideology, not a religion, imo.

spiral out

Cosmo wrote:

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I believe that, too.
But, what I wonder is... why don't they say it publicly?
Or... do they say it... but, we never get to hear it (via our media)?

I think it just isn't shown in the media.

Pegasus

callen wrote:

No...just coping mechanism.

for the less religious people (non practising, agnostics..) yes (and even so, that's coping with low self-esteem, or unrational fears..that can be argued as a mild form of mental illness), but the really zealot ones (whatever the religion) are at best delusional.

Worked into mental health and LOTS, probably the majority, of chronically ill people (excluding simple depression), even in a very secular society like England, have religious-related delusions/psychosis (God/Devil).

NCfan

Collin wrote:

I'm glad you're not trying to excuse any crimes.

The Islam you see in the media is a political ideology, not a religion, imo.

Agree big time!

deadnothingbetter

soulsinging wrote:

mmm... girls in short skirts...

i know... if i were the dude, i'd be saying, "i give thanks to god for all our young beautiful girls we have in our church, in their nice little outfits. hallelujah."