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But, the bottom line is.. most Christians will speak out and truely condemn the killing of doctors and the bombing of clinics. But can the same be said for the majority of Muslims? What is their reaction when a car bomb kills people?.
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I believe that, too.
But, what I wonder is... why don't they say it publicly?
Or... do they say it... but, we never get to hear it (via our media)?
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I'm sorry to say this but to me this discussion is rather pointless. Are the crimes of muslims extremists on average more severe, more extreme to the point of (frequently) killing people for the most insane things etc. than the crimes of the Christian extremists? Yes. I think most people will agree. But does that make the crimes and attrocities the Christian extremists commit ok? ... No? Then what exactly is the point of this thread?
No, I'm not trying to excuse any Christain crimes. A crime is a crime. I just wanted to post that Youtube clip becuase it is scary/funny and informative. And also just wanted to show that there is a difference between fanatics and the means they use to acheive their agendas.
There is a problem with modern Islam. It needs to undergo a reformation like the Christain church did hundreds of years ago. We need a foreign policy that steers people away from subscriping the radical stripe of Islam. Hopefully these types of believers will just die off as the world continues to liberalize and societies open up.
I don't think we need to invade any countries unless these types of radicals take over a government and start threatened their neighbors or the rest of the world. Otherwise let's just use soft pressure to gently lead these people to a better way of life. The best way to do that is to lead by example.
at first the people were nice, the service wasn't completely out of the ordinary until when about the service was about to end the local pastor went to the pulpit and said in an aggressive and antogonizing tone, "i've been noticing some of you young ladies have been wearing short skirts. i don't want no whores in my church." then that was the last time we'd gone to that church. i was 16 back then.
No, I'm not trying to excuse any Christain crimes. A crime is a crime. I just wanted to post that Youtube clip becuase it is scary/funny and informative. And also just wanted to show that there is a difference between fanatics and the means they use to acheive their agendas.
There is a problem with modern Islam. It needs to undergo a reformation like the Christain church did hundreds of years ago. We need a foreign policy that steers people away from subscriping the radical stripe of Islam. Hopefully these types of believers will just die off as the world continues to liberalize and societies open up.
I'm glad you're not trying to excuse any crimes.
The Islam you see in the media is a political ideology, not a religion, imo.
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I believe that, too.
But, what I wonder is... why don't they say it publicly?
Or... do they say it... but, we never get to hear it (via our media)?
I think it just isn't shown in the media.
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for the less religious people (non practising, agnostics..) yes (and even so, that's coping with low self-esteem, or unrational fears..that can be argued as a mild form of mental illness), but the really zealot ones (whatever the religion) are at best delusional.
Worked into mental health and LOTS, probably the majority, of chronically ill people (excluding simple depression), even in a very secular society like England, have religious-related delusions/psychosis (God/Devil).
i know... if i were the dude, i'd be saying, "i give thanks to god for all our young beautiful girls we have in our church, in their nice little outfits. hallelujah."
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
This is fucking crazy, but it's a far cry from trying to kill infedels. This is something specific to Islam. Sure, ultra right-wing Christians kill abortion doctors becuase they "sin". But I'm not sure I've ever heard of an instance of a Christian killing someone else for not believing.
This is an epidimic in the Islamic world. Please discuss.
the number of abortion doctors killed is minimal. you can't blame christians for that. that's like saying atheists are thieves because an atheist stole my car.
when was the last real christian war? wasn't it constantine?
the number of abortion doctors killed is minimal. you can't blame christians for that. that's like saying atheists are thieves because an atheist stole my car.
when was the last real christian war? wasn't it constantine?
sheesh OLS, you don't know your history very well.
In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity:
24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.
the number of abortion doctors killed is minimal. you can't blame christians for that. that's like saying atheists are thieves because an atheist stole my car.
You cannot compare christians and atheists at all. But your point remains valid. Although, I'd say you can blame the christians who bombed the abortion clinic, just like you can blame that atheist for stealing your car. The difference is that those christian terrorists committed their crimes because of their interpretation of the bible, whereas the atheist probably didn't do it out of some atheist code or something because it doesn't exist.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
You cannot compare christians and atheists at all. But your point remains valid. Although, I'd say you can blame the christians who bombed the abortion clinic, just like you can blame that atheist for stealing your car. The difference is that those christian terrorists committed their crimes because of their interpretation of the bible, whereas the atheist probably didn't do it out of some atheist code or something because it doesn't exist.
so am i also responsible for what a terrorist "christian" did at an abortion clinic? i don't get it.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
that dude was some nut.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf
you say "christians" as a whole are to be blamed. i don't understand. i can see what you're saying and i agree. you know, there are crimes that christians commit. i just don't think that we can blame the entire group for it. just like i wouldn't blame the entire atheist community because of that atheist kid who stole my car.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf
yeah he was totally out of it. ridding the jews a christian movement? what about the prophecies in the bible that state God's restoration of Israel and Solomon's temple? then to think, Israel, God's chosen people and how he would bless others if they blessed them and curse those who curse them. how does that work in the movement? well, at least, that's what i would've asked him.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
you say "christians" as a whole are to be blamed. i don't understand. i can see what you're saying and i agree. you know, there are crimes that christians commit. i just don't think that we can blame the entire group for it. just like i wouldn't blame the entire atheist community because of that atheist kid who stole my car.
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In my opinion, this isn't comparable with religion at all. If you're a christian, muslim, hindu... you belong to a group. When you're an atheist you don't belong to a group, you don't have anything special in common with other atheists. You do not share a belief, you could but that's not necessarily the case. These atheists want to form groups and societies, but I'm not a part of them and a lot of atheists aren't, I'd say the majority isn't. If you are a christian, you're a christian. That's the difference.
In my opinion, this isn't comparable with religion at all. If you're a christian, muslim, hindu... you belong to a group. When you're an atheist you don't belong to a group, you don't have anything special in common with other atheists. You do not share a belief, you could but that's not necessarily the case. These atheists want to form groups and societies, but I'm not a part of them and a lot of atheists aren't, I'd say the majority isn't. If you are a christian, you're a christian. That's the difference.
In my opinion, this isn't comparable with religion at all. If you're a christian, muslim, hindu... you belong to a group. When you're an atheist you don't belong to a group, you don't have anything special in common with other atheists. You do not share a belief, you could but that's not necessarily the case. These atheists want to form groups and societies, but I'm not a part of them and a lot of atheists aren't, I'd say the majority isn't. If you are a christian, you're a christian. That's the difference.
dude, atheists share the belief that there is no god and cannot be a god and claim they know this for a fact.
dude, atheists share the belief that there is no god and cannot be a god and claim they know this for a fact.
I'm sorry, man, but that's ridiculous.
I don't believe in a god. I don't deny god, I just don't believe in god, there's a lack of faith, there's nothing.
Just like I have a lack of faith in blue frogchickens or anything that doesn't exist.
And whether or not someone claims they know this for a fact is also irrelevant. Christians share a common belief, they believe there is a god, Christ was his son and our savior. They believe and follow his teachings. That's what makes them a group.
See the difference? I'm having a hard time explaining myself today. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow, or find a post hippiemom once made that said the same but more eloquently.
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I believe that, too.
But, what I wonder is... why don't they say it publicly?
Or... do they say it... but, we never get to hear it (via our media)?
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No, I'm not trying to excuse any Christain crimes. A crime is a crime. I just wanted to post that Youtube clip becuase it is scary/funny and informative. And also just wanted to show that there is a difference between fanatics and the means they use to acheive their agendas.
There is a problem with modern Islam. It needs to undergo a reformation like the Christain church did hundreds of years ago. We need a foreign policy that steers people away from subscriping the radical stripe of Islam. Hopefully these types of believers will just die off as the world continues to liberalize and societies open up.
I don't think we need to invade any countries unless these types of radicals take over a government and start threatened their neighbors or the rest of the world. Otherwise let's just use soft pressure to gently lead these people to a better way of life. The best way to do that is to lead by example.
We need Obama in 08!
mmm... girls in short skirts...
I'm glad you're not trying to excuse any crimes.
The Islam you see in the media is a political ideology, not a religion, imo.
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I think it just isn't shown in the media.
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Worked into mental health and LOTS, probably the majority, of chronically ill people (excluding simple depression), even in a very secular society like England, have religious-related delusions/psychosis (God/Devil).
Agree big time!
the number of abortion doctors killed is minimal. you can't blame christians for that. that's like saying atheists are thieves because an atheist stole my car.
when was the last real christian war? wasn't it constantine?
sheesh OLS, you don't know your history very well.
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In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity:
24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.
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You cannot compare christians and atheists at all. But your point remains valid. Although, I'd say you can blame the christians who bombed the abortion clinic, just like you can blame that atheist for stealing your car. The difference is that those christian terrorists committed their crimes because of their interpretation of the bible, whereas the atheist probably didn't do it out of some atheist code or something because it doesn't exist.
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-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
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No, you are not, at least I don't think so.
What don't you get?
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He was a politician.
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I never said christians as a whole are to be blamed.
Atheists as a whole doesn't really exist.
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In my opinion, this isn't comparable with religion at all. If you're a christian, muslim, hindu... you belong to a group. When you're an atheist you don't belong to a group, you don't have anything special in common with other atheists. You do not share a belief, you could but that's not necessarily the case. These atheists want to form groups and societies, but I'm not a part of them and a lot of atheists aren't, I'd say the majority isn't. If you are a christian, you're a christian. That's the difference.
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LMAO
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I didn't realize my post was so funny. What did you find funny about it?
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dude, atheists share the belief that there is no god and cannot be a god and claim they know this for a fact.
I'm sorry, man, but that's ridiculous.
I don't believe in a god. I don't deny god, I just don't believe in god, there's a lack of faith, there's nothing.
Just like I have a lack of faith in blue frogchickens or anything that doesn't exist.
And whether or not someone claims they know this for a fact is also irrelevant. Christians share a common belief, they believe there is a god, Christ was his son and our savior. They believe and follow his teachings. That's what makes them a group.
See the difference? I'm having a hard time explaining myself today. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow, or find a post hippiemom once made that said the same but more eloquently.
edit: couldn't find her post anywhere.
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