Iraq War information

jlew24asu

Drowned Out wrote:

not sure about the UK...
I'm pretty sure this was aired on the National in Canada....which (someon correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a regular viewer) is an hour long show - a half hour of news, then a half hour of special interest documentary footage....the doc was broken into parts to be aired in it's entirety. But that's what is frustrating me....why was it a British photographer doing this story (about US troops), and why was it shown in it's entirety in Canada, but not the US? What does that tell ya about the coverage in the US? It should have been shown SOMEWHERE, if not during a half hour ABC spot. But it wasn't.

maybe it was shown on the 24 news stations? I dont know.

Truthmonger

Drowned Out wrote:

not sure about the UK...
I'm pretty sure this was aired on the National in Canada....which (someon correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a regular viewer) is an hour long show - a half hour of news, then a half hour of special interest documentary footage....the doc was broken into parts to be aired in it's entirety. But that's what is frustrating me....why was it a British photographer doing this story (about US troops), and why was it shown in it's entirety in Canada, but not the US? What does that tell ya about the coverage in the US? It should have been shown SOMEWHERE, if not during a half hour ABC spot. But it wasn't.

Because American broadcast news won't run anything like that in a protracted manner. American news has things showcased in 2 minute segments. And there are some things that just can't be covered in 2 minutes - like major planks as to why the U.S. went to war.

g under p

Here's some positive news out of Iraq and that is my friend and musician Michael Franti went to Baghdad, Iraq for 2 weeks and filmed a documentary. He survived and recorded what he saw there in talking to soldiers, local Iraqi citizens, children and he played music for them all.

I posted this in "Your Favorite Documentary" post checkout the trailer below and maybe you'll like what you see there. Michael records what he sees and some of it I'm sure you'll see doesn't paint a pretty picture of the war in Iraq. War is Hell....Fighting wars for peace, is like fucking for virginity.

Here's mine: I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2875/ikinalarged4b8aati3.jpg

Michael Franti, world-renowned musician and human rights worker, travels to Iraq, Palestine and Israel to explore the human cost of war with a group of friends, some video cameras and his guitar.

"I Know I'm Not Alone" video is a compelling soundtrack, visual and musical montages, and Franti's intimate voiceovers make the film speak to the MTV, X, Y & Z generations, as well as the baby-boomers. A true armchair travel film pulling the audience into these war zones in the company of Michael's guitar, eloquence and wit - you feel the humanity, artistic resilience and sometimes horrific experience of what it's like to live under the bombs and military occupation.

With its guerrilla style footage captured in active war zones, the documentary is unlike the many academic and politically driven pieces in the marketplace, instead offering the audience a sense of intimate travel and the opportunity to hear the voices of everyday people living, creating and surviving under the harsh conditions of war and occupation.

Here's a 10 minute preview of this documentary...Michael Franti - I Know I'm Not Alone


REVIEWS

"Watch this film then insist that Michael Franti becomes President of the United States!"
-Anthony Minghella (Academy Award Winning Director, English Patient, Cold Mountain)

"Michael Franti is the most important artist recording and touring today who has yet to reach the mass audience. The subjects he sings about are totally genuine and derived from personal experiences."
-Chris Blackwell (Founder-Palm Pictures, Island Life)

"Michael's (Franti) a modern minstrel weaving stories of war and occupation into his heart of peace, giving us hope, not just tears. The film is powerful, honest, and touching."
-Serj Tankian (Musician-System Of A Down)

"Michael Franti so easily embodies the kind of artist we must all yearn to be, forever connected to the heart of the people and always giving us something meaningful to dance to, even and especially, in the face of war and despair."
-Saul Williams (Musician, Actor, Poet)

"I Know I'm Not Alone" is an antidote to despair. With soulful music and boyish charm, Michael Franti sings his way through two brutal occupations--Iraq and Palestine, breaking through the hate and revealing the oneness of our human family.
-Medea Benjamin (Founder-Global Exchange)

Rating: 4 stars
NEW INTERNATIONALIST Magazine, UK

Peace

Vedderlution_Baby

Because the bad outweighs the good.

g under p

Here's some positive news out of Iraq and that is my friend and musician Michael Franti went to Baghdad, Iraq for 2 weeks and filmed a documentary. He survived and recorded what he saw there in talking to soldiers, local Iraqi citizens, children and he played music for them all.

I posted this in "Your Favorite Documentary" post checkout the trailer below and maybe you'll like what you see there. Michael records what he sees and some of it I'm sure you'll see doesn't paint a pretty picture of the war in Iraq. War is Hell....Fighting wars for peace, is like fucking for virginity.

Here's mine: I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2875/ikinalarged4b8aati3.jpg

Michael Franti, world-renowned musician and human rights worker, travels to Iraq, Palestine and Israel to explore the human cost of war with a group of friends, some video cameras and his guitar.

"I Know I'm Not Alone" video is a compelling soundtrack, visual and musical montages, and Franti's intimate voiceovers make the film speak to the MTV, X, Y & Z generations, as well as the baby-boomers. A true armchair travel film pulling the audience into these war zones in the company of Michael's guitar, eloquence and wit - you feel the humanity, artistic resilience and sometimes horrific experience of what it's like to live under the bombs and military occupation.

With its guerrilla style footage captured in active war zones, the documentary is unlike the many academic and politically driven pieces in the marketplace, instead offering the audience a sense of intimate travel and the opportunity to hear the voices of everyday people living, creating and surviving under the harsh conditions of war and occupation.

Here's a 10 minute preview of this documentary...Michael Franti - I Know I'm Not Alone


REVIEWS

"Watch this film then insist that Michael Franti becomes President of the United States!"
-Anthony Minghella (Academy Award Winning Director, English Patient, Cold Mountain)

"Michael Franti is the most important artist recording and touring today who has yet to reach the mass audience. The subjects he sings about are totally genuine and derived from personal experiences."
-Chris Blackwell (Founder-Palm Pictures, Island Life)

"Michael's (Franti) a modern minstrel weaving stories of war and occupation into his heart of peace, giving us hope, not just tears. The film is powerful, honest, and touching."
-Serj Tankian (Musician-System Of A Down)

"Michael Franti so easily embodies the kind of artist we must all yearn to be, forever connected to the heart of the people and always giving us something meaningful to dance to, even and especially, in the face of war and despair."
-Saul Williams (Musician, Actor, Poet)

"I Know I'm Not Alone" is an antidote to despair. With soulful music and boyish charm, Michael Franti sings his way through two brutal occupations--Iraq and Palestine, breaking through the hate and revealing the oneness of our human family.
-Medea Benjamin (Founder-Global Exchange)

Rating: 4 stars
NEW INTERNATIONALIST Magazine, UK

Peace

This why war is hell........F-16 is a Homicide Bomber checkout the soldiers response after he's ended 40 lives and he's not sure whether or not they're civilians. It's just people running and it's time to take them out, OH DUDE!

You ain't seeing this on Fox News/CNN/MSNBC anytime soon.

Peace

Cosmo

Not so much news reports... but, opinions. Opinions from Iraqi War verterans. This includes the ones I know personally... whom I talk with regarding their experiences. It also includes second hand opinions/stories relayed from a friend that works at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach.
Sure... these are unsustantiated reports... but, I'm not going to question people who were actually there.
There are some good things going one over there... but, they are greatly out shadowed by what's going bad over there. Everyone I've spoken to says one thing needs to be done... more soldiers or get the fuck out. The other strong opinion I get from them... the Iraqi Security forces are a fucking joke. They may be a big a problem as the insurgents as their allegiences are NOT to the nation of Iraq... but, more for their personal agendas... whether it be religious, tribal or just plain fucking extortion.
Nothing scientific... no second party confirmation... just what they tell me. They were fucking there... I wasn't. That's fucking good enough for me.

jlew24asu

Cosmo wrote:

Not so much news reports... but, opinions. Opinions from Iraqi War verterans. This includes the ones I know personally... whom I talk with regarding their experiences. It also includes second hand opinions/stories relayed from a friend that works at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach.
Sure... these are unsustantiated reports... but, I'm not going to question people who were actually there.
There are some good things going one over there... but, they are greatly out shadowed by what's going bad over there. Everyone I've spoken to says one thing needs to be done... more soldiers or get the fuck out. The other strong opinion I get from them... the Iraqi Security forces are a fucking joke. They may be a big a problem as the insurgents as their allegiences are NOT to the nation of Iraq... but, more for their personal agendas... whether it be religious, tribal or just plain fucking extortion.
Nothing scientific... no second party confirmation... just what they tell me. They were fucking there... I wasn't. That's fucking good enough for me.

good enough for me too. I only know one guy who was there. he told me its a shame that more positive things doesnt get reported. I had a chance to talk to him at a party this summer. he said he had been there for 15 months and didnt see one person die. couple shootouts, but no death. and he was in bagdhad.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

When people are getting murdered...think happy thoughts...

Abuskedti

jlew24asu wrote:

good enough for me too. I only know one guy who was there. he told me its a shame that more positive things doesnt get reported. I had a chance to talk to him at a party this summer. he said he had been there for 15 months and didnt see one person die. couple shootouts, but no death. and he was in bagdhad.

thats cool you know a guy.. and I am happy for him that he didn't see anything. many of us know a guy - there are more than 150,000 there and they rotate whenever possible.

However, if you check, you'll find that many men woman and childre died while he was there - nice for him again that he didn't see it.. but there was lotza blood in Iraq while he was there....

choose information that fits your view is dangerous.. and more than anything else the reason for this mess.

jlew24asu

Abuskedti wrote:

thats cool you know a guy.. and I am happy for him that he didn't see anything. many of us know a guy - there are more than 150,000 there and they rotate whenever possible.

However, if you check, you'll find that many men woman and childre died while he was there - nice for him again that he didn't see it.. but there was lotza blood in Iraq while he was there....

choose information that fits your view is dangerous.. and more than anything else the reason for this mess.

2 sides to every story ya know. the same guy I talked to almost had a friend die. point is, there are lots of blood and death, sometimes there isnt.

Abuskedti

jlew24asu wrote:

2 sides to every story ya know. the same guy I talked to almost had a friend die. point is, there are lots of blood and death, sometimes there isnt.

there hasn't been more than a few days where there isn't in Iraq. guess those rare deathless days are a feel good story for you...
the story really is all the death and injury... We have to stop.

jlew24asu

Abuskedti wrote:

there hasn't been more than a few days where there isn't in Iraq. guess those rare deathless days are a feel good story for you...
the story really is all the death and injury... We have to stop.

how do you know? are you keeping track on a daily basis or just assuming to fit your way of thinking.
and I agree it needs to stop. we do, and they do. they are doing most of the killing to themselves.

Truthmonger

jlew24asu wrote:

how do you know? are you keeping track on a daily basis or just assuming to fit your way of thinking.

How anyone could spend time there and not see death is fucking mindblowing. Especially anyone in the military. Today (Monday) was a slow day, but note the catalogue of death, injury and tragedy that happened in the last 24 hrs..


http://www.antiwar.com/updates/?articleid=11665

jlew24asu

Truthmonger wrote:

How anyone could spend time there and not see death is fucking mindblowing. Especially anyone in the military. Today (Monday) was a slow day, but note the catalogue of death, injury and tragedy that happened in the last 24 hrs..


http://www.antiwar.com/updates/?articleid=11665

thanks for the link. it doesnt give too much information how who is killing who though. either way, I agree, thats alot of death.

inmytree

jlew24asu wrote:

where does everyone get their information from?

all I hear on this board is how bad Iraq is. so much death, America is the evil occupier, millions have died.

I have NEVER heard one positive thing about the Iraq war on TV. no mainstream media source ever reports positive news. the public seems to thrive of negative news, so the media runs it, increasing their ratings. which is what they are all out for anyway.


but wait wait, I thought all main stream media is propaganda.

why don't they report anything positive? there has to be many areas of Iraq that are very happy. the kurds in the north for example, or the majority of shiites. sunnis are the ones now under attack because saddam suppressed the shittes for 30 years.


so where does everyone get their info from? do you suck up the "propaganda" when the mainstream media reports the atrocities that go on? they all of sudden become credible ?

my point is that, I think and hope much more positive stuff is going on in Iraq that is unreported and its hypocritical for most to credit the main stream media when they report bad stuff, but its propaganda when/if its positive.

Disclaimer, I have been drinking tonight thanks for listening to my rant.....carry on

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hV3vyRiwdeA

I often watch Mosaic - News from the Middle East on Link TV...

http://www.linktv.org/mosaic/

It's graphic and pretty amazing what they show on TV news outside of the US...

The show really puts things in perspective for me. I also watch CSPAN and check out http://www.watchingamerica.com, as well...

Abuskedti

jlew24asu wrote:

thanks for the link. it doesnt give too much information how who is killing who though. either way, I agree, thats alot of death.

"who is killing who" another favorite of yours...

We patrol the streets making sure noone wins unless we like them. We killed their security.. (army).. and the government we choose to protect is failing miserably -

yet we arrogantly patrol the streets in tanks.. and you sit at home blaming the defeated occupied nation for its lack of security - and they are murdered by criminals revolting against the occupation - or just enjoying the absolute failure of occupation - with the freedom to be pirates..

jlew24asu

Abuskedti wrote:

"who is killing who" another favorite of yours...

We patrol the streets making sure noone wins unless we like them. We killed their security.. (army).. and the government we choose to protect is failing miserably -

yet we arrogantly patrol the streets in tanks.. and you sit at home blaming the defeated occupied nation for its lack of security - and they are murdered by criminals revolting against the occupation - or just enjoying the absolute failure of occupation - with the freedom to be pirates..

Iraqis killing each other should hold responsibility for the horrible death that goes on. they are people to right?

Abuskedti

jlew24asu wrote:

Iraqis killing each other should hold responsibility for the horrible death that goes on. they are people to right?

yep, people just like us. If we had no law enforcement, the criminals would thrive and good people would be murdered at a great rate.

but you don't want to think

jlew24asu

Abuskedti wrote:

yep, people just like us. If we had no law enforcement, the criminals would thrive and good people would be murdered at a great rate.

but you don't want to think

so your saying american would like alot like Iraq if someone invaded us? nice fucking try dude. keep stretching.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

so your saying american would like alot like Iraq if someone invaded us? nice fucking try dude. keep stretching.

New Orleans looked pretty orderly when that hurricane attacked recently.


As for your original post. It is kind of hard to put a good spin on the water working for two hours a day, with three hours of power, when people are dying and there is around the clock bombing. Something has to be reported on.

I really wish they would shut up about 911 and the people who died there and get on with the nice new building they are erecting. You know Jlew...get on with the good news.