you seem to paint your own picture of exactly what is going on in Iraq. maybe you would have a different opinion if you've been there.
So you think the routine news reports of 60 dead - and 140 dead, and the battles where insurgents are engaged in a firefight - and 3 US soldiers dead - 8 dead - 4 dead..
Those are just the cons that can be offset by a relative normal lives 400 miles to the north?
60 dead today is just letters? 80 injured.. just letters? What does it look like? If the media showed what it looked like.. they would be reporting more accurately - but it is glossed over with photos that don't show the suffering, agony and blood....
and you say they are painting a disproportionatly negative picture?
you see the guys on television learning to walk on state-of-the-art artificial limbs.. but you didn't see that guy on the ground with his leg blown off fighting for his life.... or the ones that fought for their lives and lost.
you saw months of fireworks at the start of the war blowing all over the city of bagdad.. but not the men, women and children that were schredded by them..
The picture painted by the media is overwhelmingly biased toward the positive. and you interpret them and painting the picture badly.
You are blind and it is without question a deliberate blindness you choose.
and your propaganda and those like you are what allow it to continue. There are people dying today - hungry and unattended in Iraq - and they pray that someone cares enough to help them... Sadly they are wrong.
It disgusts me any country can do what is being done right now to another country and sleep at night.
Murder sanitized by a corrupt media.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
look man, I hate war as much as you. I would also like to believe most people do. but as seen in Iraq thats not the case. shiites and sunnis kill each other daily.
and as for something positive coming from WWI and WWII. I'll ask the obvious, you dont think its positive to rid the world of hilter and the nazis? in order for that to happen, war was necessary.
people kill people daily, period. The people killing are extremists. They will probably continue to kill each other until one side "wins"...but I don't think the violence is supported by the majority of those people....it's splitting hairs anyway.
I don't ook at WWII as a positive in that the world got rid of Hitler...I look at it as a negative in that Hitler's actions, and allied reactions caused millions to die. The war was started with imperialist intentions, and fought by the allies as self defense. How will history view the Iraq situation?
60 dead today is just letters? 80 injured.. just letters? What does it look like? If the media showed what it looked like.. they would be reporting more accurately - but it is glossed over with photos that don't show the suffering, agony and blood....
I remember watching American news about the Iraq war and wondering - where's the blood, where's the gore ? To the American media it was a bloodless war. And I remember being really surprised one day when ABC or CBS showed footage of an American soldier getting hit and bleeding very badly. It was so conspicuous, it stuck out like a sore thumb.
I do not think the media paints it overwhelmingly positive.
No comment on the different versions of the same documentary I posted above?
seeing a senior iraqi woman bullied and crawling around her trashed house pickin up the meds that troops tossed all over the floor
kids bloodied
kids witnessing a family friend shot dead (and the body on the porch of the same poor woman from the day before)
an iraqi policeman with his leg blown half off
american soldiers dying
american soldiers crying about the length of their tour
none of which was shown on the edited ABC version. You should watch those links man...the voiceover might be too sexy for you tho.
(they are youtube and googlevid links, but only showing mainstream media stories - should be legit enough for ya)
No comment on the different versions of the same documentary I posted above?
seeing a senior iraqi woman bullied and crawling around her trashed house pickin up the meds that troops tossed all over the floor
kids bloodied
kids witnessing a family friend shot dead (and the body on the porch of the same poor woman from the day before)
an iraqi policeman with his leg blown half off
american soldiers dying
american soldiers crying about the length of their tour
none of which was shown on the edited ABC version. You should watch those links man...the voiceover might be too sexy for you tho.
(they are youtube and googlevid links, but only showing mainstream media stories - should be legit enough for ya)
o you know how I love the voice overs. the ABC video was extremely negative. sure it wasnt as long as the other but it still shows a horrible "normal day" in Iraq. the news broadcast you posted is only on for 30 mins each night, so yea, there are time constraints. how long is the UK and canada programs? hour??
o you know how I love the voice overs. the ABC video was extremely negative. sure it wasnt as long as the other but it still shows a horrible "normal day" in Iraq. the news broadcast you posted is only on for 30 mins each night, so yea, there are time constraints. how long is the UK and canada programs? hour??
so I dont see your point.
not sure about the UK...
I'm pretty sure this was aired on the National in Canada....which (someon correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a regular viewer) is an hour long show - a half hour of news, then a half hour of special interest documentary footage....the doc was broken into parts to be aired in it's entirety. But that's what is frustrating me....why was it a British photographer doing this story (about US troops), and why was it shown in it's entirety in Canada, but not the US? What does that tell ya about the coverage in the US? It should have been shown SOMEWHERE, if not during a half hour ABC spot. But it wasn't.
and my point is stated above....the US version of the story is only enough to make you say, "oh my how horrible" but not enough to enrage/disgust you. The full version definitely eraged and disgusted me.....so I guess I'm saying that the US is only getting a half truth, which paints the war in a more positive light than it should be shown in.
and my point is stated above....the US version of the story is only enough to make you say, "oh my how horrible" but not enough to enrage/disgust you. The full version definitely eraged and disgusted me.....so I guess I'm saying that the US is only getting a half truth, which paints the war in a more positive light than it should be shown in.
thats just your opinion. as soon as I saw the little boy all bloodied I was disgusted.
not sure about the UK...
I'm pretty sure this was aired on the National in Canada....which (someon correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a regular viewer) is an hour long show - a half hour of news, then a half hour of special interest documentary footage....the doc was broken into parts to be aired in it's entirety. But that's what is frustrating me....why was it a British photographer doing this story (about US troops), and why was it shown in it's entirety in Canada, but not the US? What does that tell ya about the coverage in the US? It should have been shown SOMEWHERE, if not during a half hour ABC spot. But it wasn't.
maybe it was shown on the 24 news stations? I dont know.
not sure about the UK...
I'm pretty sure this was aired on the National in Canada....which (someon correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a regular viewer) is an hour long show - a half hour of news, then a half hour of special interest documentary footage....the doc was broken into parts to be aired in it's entirety. But that's what is frustrating me....why was it a British photographer doing this story (about US troops), and why was it shown in it's entirety in Canada, but not the US? What does that tell ya about the coverage in the US? It should have been shown SOMEWHERE, if not during a half hour ABC spot. But it wasn't.
Because American broadcast news won't run anything like that in a protracted manner. American news has things showcased in 2 minute segments. And there are some things that just can't be covered in 2 minutes - like major planks as to why the U.S. went to war.
Here's some positive news out of Iraq and that is my friend and musician Michael Franti went to Baghdad, Iraq for 2 weeks and filmed a documentary. He survived and recorded what he saw there in talking to soldiers, local Iraqi citizens, children and he played music for them all.
I posted this in "Your Favorite Documentary" post checkout the trailer below and maybe you'll like what you see there. Michael records what he sees and some of it I'm sure you'll see doesn't paint a pretty picture of the war in Iraq. War is Hell....Fighting wars for peace, is like fucking for virginity.
Michael Franti, world-renowned musician and human rights worker, travels to Iraq, Palestine and Israel to explore the human cost of war with a group of friends, some video cameras and his guitar.
"I Know I'm Not Alone" video is a compelling soundtrack, visual and musical montages, and Franti's intimate voiceovers make the film speak to the MTV, X, Y & Z generations, as well as the baby-boomers. A true armchair travel film pulling the audience into these war zones in the company of Michael's guitar, eloquence and wit - you feel the humanity, artistic resilience and sometimes horrific experience of what it's like to live under the bombs and military occupation.
With its guerrilla style footage captured in active war zones, the documentary is unlike the many academic and politically driven pieces in the marketplace, instead offering the audience a sense of intimate travel and the opportunity to hear the voices of everyday people living, creating and surviving under the harsh conditions of war and occupation.
"Watch this film then insist that Michael Franti becomes President of the United States!"
-Anthony Minghella (Academy Award Winning Director, English Patient, Cold Mountain)
"Michael Franti is the most important artist recording and touring today who has yet to reach the mass audience. The subjects he sings about are totally genuine and derived from personal experiences."
-Chris Blackwell (Founder-Palm Pictures, Island Life)
"Michael's (Franti) a modern minstrel weaving stories of war and occupation into his heart of peace, giving us hope, not just tears. The film is powerful, honest, and touching."
-Serj Tankian (Musician-System Of A Down)
"Michael Franti so easily embodies the kind of artist we must all yearn to be, forever connected to the heart of the people and always giving us something meaningful to dance to, even and especially, in the face of war and despair."
-Saul Williams (Musician, Actor, Poet)
"I Know I'm Not Alone" is an antidote to despair. With soulful music and boyish charm, Michael Franti sings his way through two brutal occupations--Iraq and Palestine, breaking through the hate and revealing the oneness of our human family.
-Medea Benjamin (Founder-Global Exchange)
Rating: 4 stars
NEW INTERNATIONALIST Magazine, UK
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Here's some positive news out of Iraq and that is my friend and musician Michael Franti went to Baghdad, Iraq for 2 weeks and filmed a documentary. He survived and recorded what he saw there in talking to soldiers, local Iraqi citizens, children and he played music for them all.
I posted this in "Your Favorite Documentary" post checkout the trailer below and maybe you'll like what you see there. Michael records what he sees and some of it I'm sure you'll see doesn't paint a pretty picture of the war in Iraq. War is Hell....Fighting wars for peace, is like fucking for virginity.
Michael Franti, world-renowned musician and human rights worker, travels to Iraq, Palestine and Israel to explore the human cost of war with a group of friends, some video cameras and his guitar.
"I Know I'm Not Alone" video is a compelling soundtrack, visual and musical montages, and Franti's intimate voiceovers make the film speak to the MTV, X, Y & Z generations, as well as the baby-boomers. A true armchair travel film pulling the audience into these war zones in the company of Michael's guitar, eloquence and wit - you feel the humanity, artistic resilience and sometimes horrific experience of what it's like to live under the bombs and military occupation.
With its guerrilla style footage captured in active war zones, the documentary is unlike the many academic and politically driven pieces in the marketplace, instead offering the audience a sense of intimate travel and the opportunity to hear the voices of everyday people living, creating and surviving under the harsh conditions of war and occupation.
"Watch this film then insist that Michael Franti becomes President of the United States!"
-Anthony Minghella (Academy Award Winning Director, English Patient, Cold Mountain)
"Michael Franti is the most important artist recording and touring today who has yet to reach the mass audience. The subjects he sings about are totally genuine and derived from personal experiences."
-Chris Blackwell (Founder-Palm Pictures, Island Life)
"Michael's (Franti) a modern minstrel weaving stories of war and occupation into his heart of peace, giving us hope, not just tears. The film is powerful, honest, and touching."
-Serj Tankian (Musician-System Of A Down)
"Michael Franti so easily embodies the kind of artist we must all yearn to be, forever connected to the heart of the people and always giving us something meaningful to dance to, even and especially, in the face of war and despair."
-Saul Williams (Musician, Actor, Poet)
"I Know I'm Not Alone" is an antidote to despair. With soulful music and boyish charm, Michael Franti sings his way through two brutal occupations--Iraq and Palestine, breaking through the hate and revealing the oneness of our human family.
-Medea Benjamin (Founder-Global Exchange)
Rating: 4 stars
NEW INTERNATIONALIST Magazine, UK
Peace
This why war is hell........F-16 is a Homicide Bomber checkout the soldiers response after he's ended 40 lives and he's not sure whether or not they're civilians. It's just people running and it's time to take them out, OH DUDE!
You ain't seeing this on Fox News/CNN/MSNBC anytime soon.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Not so much news reports... but, opinions. Opinions from Iraqi War verterans. This includes the ones I know personally... whom I talk with regarding their experiences. It also includes second hand opinions/stories relayed from a friend that works at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach.
Sure... these are unsustantiated reports... but, I'm not going to question people who were actually there.
There are some good things going one over there... but, they are greatly out shadowed by what's going bad over there. Everyone I've spoken to says one thing needs to be done... more soldiers or get the fuck out. The other strong opinion I get from them... the Iraqi Security forces are a fucking joke. They may be a big a problem as the insurgents as their allegiences are NOT to the nation of Iraq... but, more for their personal agendas... whether it be religious, tribal or just plain fucking extortion.
Nothing scientific... no second party confirmation... just what they tell me. They were fucking there... I wasn't. That's fucking good enough for me.
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Not so much news reports... but, opinions. Opinions from Iraqi War verterans. This includes the ones I know personally... whom I talk with regarding their experiences. It also includes second hand opinions/stories relayed from a friend that works at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach.
Sure... these are unsustantiated reports... but, I'm not going to question people who were actually there.
There are some good things going one over there... but, they are greatly out shadowed by what's going bad over there. Everyone I've spoken to says one thing needs to be done... more soldiers or get the fuck out. The other strong opinion I get from them... the Iraqi Security forces are a fucking joke. They may be a big a problem as the insurgents as their allegiences are NOT to the nation of Iraq... but, more for their personal agendas... whether it be religious, tribal or just plain fucking extortion.
Nothing scientific... no second party confirmation... just what they tell me. They were fucking there... I wasn't. That's fucking good enough for me.
good enough for me too. I only know one guy who was there. he told me its a shame that more positive things doesnt get reported. I had a chance to talk to him at a party this summer. he said he had been there for 15 months and didnt see one person die. couple shootouts, but no death. and he was in bagdhad.
When people are getting murdered...think happy thoughts...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
good enough for me too. I only know one guy who was there. he told me its a shame that more positive things doesnt get reported. I had a chance to talk to him at a party this summer. he said he had been there for 15 months and didnt see one person die. couple shootouts, but no death. and he was in bagdhad.
thats cool you know a guy.. and I am happy for him that he didn't see anything. many of us know a guy - there are more than 150,000 there and they rotate whenever possible.
However, if you check, you'll find that many men woman and childre died while he was there - nice for him again that he didn't see it.. but there was lotza blood in Iraq while he was there....
choose information that fits your view is dangerous.. and more than anything else the reason for this mess.
thats cool you know a guy.. and I am happy for him that he didn't see anything. many of us know a guy - there are more than 150,000 there and they rotate whenever possible.
However, if you check, you'll find that many men woman and childre died while he was there - nice for him again that he didn't see it.. but there was lotza blood in Iraq while he was there....
choose information that fits your view is dangerous.. and more than anything else the reason for this mess.
2 sides to every story ya know. the same guy I talked to almost had a friend die. point is, there are lots of blood and death, sometimes there isnt.
2 sides to every story ya know. the same guy I talked to almost had a friend die. point is, there are lots of blood and death, sometimes there isnt.
there hasn't been more than a few days where there isn't in Iraq. guess those rare deathless days are a feel good story for you...
the story really is all the death and injury... We have to stop.
there hasn't been more than a few days where there isn't in Iraq. guess those rare deathless days are a feel good story for you...
the story really is all the death and injury... We have to stop.
how do you know? are you keeping track on a daily basis or just assuming to fit your way of thinking.
and I agree it needs to stop. we do, and they do. they are doing most of the killing to themselves.
how do you know? are you keeping track on a daily basis or just assuming to fit your way of thinking.
How anyone could spend time there and not see death is fucking mindblowing. Especially anyone in the military. Today (Monday) was a slow day, but note the catalogue of death, injury and tragedy that happened in the last 24 hrs..
How anyone could spend time there and not see death is fucking mindblowing. Especially anyone in the military. Today (Monday) was a slow day, but note the catalogue of death, injury and tragedy that happened in the last 24 hrs..
all I hear on this board is how bad Iraq is. so much death, America is the evil occupier, millions have died.
I have NEVER heard one positive thing about the Iraq war on TV. no mainstream media source ever reports positive news. the public seems to thrive of negative news, so the media runs it, increasing their ratings. which is what they are all out for anyway.
but wait wait, I thought all main stream media is propaganda.
why don't they report anything positive? there has to be many areas of Iraq that are very happy. the kurds in the north for example, or the majority of shiites. sunnis are the ones now under attack because saddam suppressed the shittes for 30 years.
so where does everyone get their info from? do you suck up the "propaganda" when the mainstream media reports the atrocities that go on? they all of sudden become credible ?
my point is that, I think and hope much more positive stuff is going on in Iraq that is unreported and its hypocritical for most to credit the main stream media when they report bad stuff, but its propaganda when/if its positive.
Disclaimer, I have been drinking tonight thanks for listening to my rant.....carry on
thanks for the link. it doesnt give too much information how who is killing who though. either way, I agree, thats alot of death.
"who is killing who" another favorite of yours...
We patrol the streets making sure noone wins unless we like them. We killed their security.. (army).. and the government we choose to protect is failing miserably -
yet we arrogantly patrol the streets in tanks.. and you sit at home blaming the defeated occupied nation for its lack of security - and they are murdered by criminals revolting against the occupation - or just enjoying the absolute failure of occupation - with the freedom to be pirates..
We patrol the streets making sure noone wins unless we like them. We killed their security.. (army).. and the government we choose to protect is failing miserably -
yet we arrogantly patrol the streets in tanks.. and you sit at home blaming the defeated occupied nation for its lack of security - and they are murdered by criminals revolting against the occupation - or just enjoying the absolute failure of occupation - with the freedom to be pirates..
Iraqis killing each other should hold responsibility for the horrible death that goes on. they are people to right?
so your saying american would like alot like Iraq if someone invaded us? nice fucking try dude. keep stretching.
New Orleans looked pretty orderly when that hurricane attacked recently.
As for your original post. It is kind of hard to put a good spin on the water working for two hours a day, with three hours of power, when people are dying and there is around the clock bombing. Something has to be reported on.
I really wish they would shut up about 911 and the people who died there and get on with the nice new building they are erecting. You know Jlew...get on with the good news.
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So you think the routine news reports of 60 dead - and 140 dead, and the battles where insurgents are engaged in a firefight - and 3 US soldiers dead - 8 dead - 4 dead..
Those are just the cons that can be offset by a relative normal lives 400 miles to the north?
60 dead today is just letters? 80 injured.. just letters? What does it look like? If the media showed what it looked like.. they would be reporting more accurately - but it is glossed over with photos that don't show the suffering, agony and blood....
and you say they are painting a disproportionatly negative picture?
you see the guys on television learning to walk on state-of-the-art artificial limbs.. but you didn't see that guy on the ground with his leg blown off fighting for his life.... or the ones that fought for their lives and lost.
you saw months of fireworks at the start of the war blowing all over the city of bagdad.. but not the men, women and children that were schredded by them..
The picture painted by the media is overwhelmingly biased toward the positive. and you interpret them and painting the picture badly.
You are blind and it is without question a deliberate blindness you choose.
and your propaganda and those like you are what allow it to continue. There are people dying today - hungry and unattended in Iraq - and they pray that someone cares enough to help them... Sadly they are wrong.
It disgusts me any country can do what is being done right now to another country and sleep at night.
Murder sanitized by a corrupt media.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't ook at WWII as a positive in that the world got rid of Hitler...I look at it as a negative in that Hitler's actions, and allied reactions caused millions to die. The war was started with imperialist intentions, and fought by the allies as self defense. How will history view the Iraq situation?
I remember watching American news about the Iraq war and wondering - where's the blood, where's the gore ? To the American media it was a bloodless war. And I remember being really surprised one day when ABC or CBS showed footage of an American soldier getting hit and bleeding very badly. It was so conspicuous, it stuck out like a sore thumb.
No comment on the different versions of the same documentary I posted above?
seeing a senior iraqi woman bullied and crawling around her trashed house pickin up the meds that troops tossed all over the floor
kids bloodied
kids witnessing a family friend shot dead (and the body on the porch of the same poor woman from the day before)
an iraqi policeman with his leg blown half off
american soldiers dying
american soldiers crying about the length of their tour
none of which was shown on the edited ABC version. You should watch those links man...the voiceover might be too sexy for you tho.
(they are youtube and googlevid links, but only showing mainstream media stories - should be legit enough for ya)
o you know how I love the voice overs. the ABC video was extremely negative. sure it wasnt as long as the other but it still shows a horrible "normal day" in Iraq. the news broadcast you posted is only on for 30 mins each night, so yea, there are time constraints. how long is the UK and canada programs? hour??
so I dont see your point.
not sure about the UK...
I'm pretty sure this was aired on the National in Canada....which (someon correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a regular viewer) is an hour long show - a half hour of news, then a half hour of special interest documentary footage....the doc was broken into parts to be aired in it's entirety. But that's what is frustrating me....why was it a British photographer doing this story (about US troops), and why was it shown in it's entirety in Canada, but not the US? What does that tell ya about the coverage in the US? It should have been shown SOMEWHERE, if not during a half hour ABC spot. But it wasn't.
thats just your opinion. as soon as I saw the little boy all bloodied I was disgusted.
maybe it was shown on the 24 news stations? I dont know.
Because American broadcast news won't run anything like that in a protracted manner. American news has things showcased in 2 minute segments. And there are some things that just can't be covered in 2 minutes - like major planks as to why the U.S. went to war.
I posted this in "Your Favorite Documentary" post checkout the trailer below and maybe you'll like what you see there. Michael records what he sees and some of it I'm sure you'll see doesn't paint a pretty picture of the war in Iraq. War is Hell....Fighting wars for peace, is like fucking for virginity.
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
This why war is hell........F-16 is a Homicide Bomber checkout the soldiers response after he's ended 40 lives and he's not sure whether or not they're civilians. It's just people running and it's time to take them out, OH DUDE!
You ain't seeing this on Fox News/CNN/MSNBC anytime soon.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Sure... these are unsustantiated reports... but, I'm not going to question people who were actually there.
There are some good things going one over there... but, they are greatly out shadowed by what's going bad over there. Everyone I've spoken to says one thing needs to be done... more soldiers or get the fuck out. The other strong opinion I get from them... the Iraqi Security forces are a fucking joke. They may be a big a problem as the insurgents as their allegiences are NOT to the nation of Iraq... but, more for their personal agendas... whether it be religious, tribal or just plain fucking extortion.
Nothing scientific... no second party confirmation... just what they tell me. They were fucking there... I wasn't. That's fucking good enough for me.
Hail, Hail!!!
good enough for me too. I only know one guy who was there. he told me its a shame that more positive things doesnt get reported. I had a chance to talk to him at a party this summer. he said he had been there for 15 months and didnt see one person die. couple shootouts, but no death. and he was in bagdhad.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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thats cool you know a guy.. and I am happy for him that he didn't see anything. many of us know a guy - there are more than 150,000 there and they rotate whenever possible.
However, if you check, you'll find that many men woman and childre died while he was there - nice for him again that he didn't see it.. but there was lotza blood in Iraq while he was there....
choose information that fits your view is dangerous.. and more than anything else the reason for this mess.
2 sides to every story ya know. the same guy I talked to almost had a friend die. point is, there are lots of blood and death, sometimes there isnt.
there hasn't been more than a few days where there isn't in Iraq. guess those rare deathless days are a feel good story for you...
the story really is all the death and injury... We have to stop.
how do you know? are you keeping track on a daily basis or just assuming to fit your way of thinking.
and I agree it needs to stop. we do, and they do. they are doing most of the killing to themselves.
How anyone could spend time there and not see death is fucking mindblowing. Especially anyone in the military. Today (Monday) was a slow day, but note the catalogue of death, injury and tragedy that happened in the last 24 hrs..
http://www.antiwar.com/updates/?articleid=11665
thanks for the link. it doesnt give too much information how who is killing who though. either way, I agree, thats alot of death.
I often watch Mosaic - News from the Middle East on Link TV...
http://www.linktv.org/mosaic/
It's graphic and pretty amazing what they show on TV news outside of the US...
The show really puts things in perspective for me. I also watch CSPAN and check out http://www.watchingamerica.com, as well...
"who is killing who" another favorite of yours...
We patrol the streets making sure noone wins unless we like them. We killed their security.. (army).. and the government we choose to protect is failing miserably -
yet we arrogantly patrol the streets in tanks.. and you sit at home blaming the defeated occupied nation for its lack of security - and they are murdered by criminals revolting against the occupation - or just enjoying the absolute failure of occupation - with the freedom to be pirates..
Iraqis killing each other should hold responsibility for the horrible death that goes on. they are people to right?
yep, people just like us. If we had no law enforcement, the criminals would thrive and good people would be murdered at a great rate.
but you don't want to think
so your saying american would like alot like Iraq if someone invaded us? nice fucking try dude. keep stretching.
New Orleans looked pretty orderly when that hurricane attacked recently.
As for your original post. It is kind of hard to put a good spin on the water working for two hours a day, with three hours of power, when people are dying and there is around the clock bombing. Something has to be reported on.
I really wish they would shut up about 911 and the people who died there and get on with the nice new building they are erecting. You know Jlew...get on with the good news.