It would seem it is the usual stuff exploitation of resources by corporations.
"The Security Council has failed to act on previous reports from the panel showing the link between the activities of multinational corporations and armed groups guilty of massacres and other atrocities. The war in the DRC is estimated to have caused the deaths of more than three million people, the highest death toll in terms of civilian lives since World War II. According to the Panel of Experts, established by the Security Council in June 2000, the drive to control natural resources was a major motive for the war"
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
it would be nice if they named names in those links. interesting stuff.
I still cant really understand why there is so much evil on that continent. these corporations arent killing millions of people.
The people are dying because of the corporations.
The corporations don't do things directly but they fund these people which in my book makes them just as bad. Exactly like the CIA don't do things directly they just fund people.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I'll ask again. why is it America's responsibility to fix this?
I'm not saying it is, but America tends to take on the role of world police whenever they benefit from it. Or am I mistaken? Perhaps the U.S. should be more clear and truthful about its motives, then people wouldn't expect them to step up whenever there's trouble somewhere.
I'm not saying it is, but America tends to take on the role of world police whenever they benefit from it. Or am I mistaken? Perhaps the U.S. should be more clear and truthful about its motives, then people wouldn't expect them to step up whenever there's trouble somewhere.
should we send troops into africa and clean up the mess? would you support that? would you applaud america for doing so?
Well, it depends on America's motives. If they want to help out, of course, why not?
edit: I think the US shouldn't do this alone by the way, it's more of a UN mission, isn't it.
lets pretend their motives with 100% based on helping out the people and removing genocidal dictators. I believe there would be many people lining up screaming about US imperialism and how we shouldnt be policing the world. it just sucks that its damned if we do damned if we dont.
UN?? I agree but its very very clear they arent capable of doing anything militarily without US involvement. which sucks.
lets pretend their motives with 100% based on helping out the people and removing genocidal dictators. I believe there would be many people lining up screaming about US imperialism and how we shouldnt be policing the world. it just sucks that its damned if we do damned if we dont.
That's probably true. But when you look at that article you posted in the other thread (935? false statements about Iraq) it's really not so hard to believe people don't trust the motives of their government anymore.
UN?? I agree but its very very clear they arent capable of doing anything militarily without US involvement. which sucks.
That's probably true. But when you look at that article you posted in the other thread (935? false statements about Iraq) it's really not so hard to believe people don't trust the motives of their government anymore.
thats why I said pretend but I would like to think some of our motives are right, even if they are mixed in with wrong ones.
so your another one who thinks world bank, IMF, and united states are all one in the same? commy made up a nice number of 90%...how bout you? lets say 91% ?
so your another one who thinks world bank, IMF, and united states are all one in the same? commy made up a nice number of 90%...how bout you? lets say 91% ?
let's see John Bolton gets sent to head the World Bank ... former member of PNAC ... member of AEI (neocon think tank) ...
anyways - you can have the last word as you see fit ... i don't really think you are interested in hearing views that hurts your view of america and the corporations that run it ...
let's see John Bolton gets sent to head the World Bank ... former member of PNAC ... member of AEI (neocon think tank) ...
anyways - you can have the last word as you see fit ... i don't really think you are interested in hearing views that hurts your view of america and the corporations that run it ...
actually Robert Zoellick heads the bank.
but really, please tell me how the genocide happening in the congo is the fault of america?
edit: I think the US shouldn't do this alone by the way, it's more of a UN mission, isn't it.
It sure is. In fact, the UN is there RIGHT NOW. They are part of the reason the Congo is so fucked up. Because the UN is fucked up. And pretty much powerless. Their peacekeepers are doing a pretty shitty job of keeping the peace.
Hell, the situation in IRAQ is better than the Congo, judging by these numbers. Even at its worst, I can't find estimates that showed 45,000 Iraqis dying PER DAY.
I'd assume it's because the U.S. military actually has some teeth to it.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
The rebels are able to carry out their heinous activities with the help of the west. The weapons they use mainly come from Britain and the US. Their officers were trained in the west. The minerals they extort from the Congolese people are sold to multinational corporations such as Bechtel Inc (San Francisco), Cabot (Boston), American Mineral Fields, DeBeers, and Barrick Gold. According to Investigative Journalist Keith Snow, former president George H.W. Bush was a paid advisor for Barrick Gold.
The rebels are able to carry out their heinous activities with the help of the west. The weapons they use mainly come from Britain and the US. Their officers were trained in the west. The minerals they extort from the Congolese people are sold to multinational corporations such as Bechtel Inc (San Francisco), Cabot (Boston), American Mineral Fields, DeBeers, and Barrick Gold. According to Investigative Journalist Keith Snow, former president George H.W. Bush was a paid advisor for Barrick Gold.
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do you honestly not see the complicity in this?
so AfriQueen posts a blog and you take this as proof?
I'm not saying the US is innocent but you're going to have to do better then that.
First of all, happy New Year Lien! and I'm very sorry for Justine's loss the other day...
James Wolfensohn was the WB President that had to resign the girlfriend affair. Bolton was the US ambassador at the UN. IMF's President is always from Europe, and right now is from France, Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
Just a little clarification, you know so you guys can insult/defend/discuss the right people
First of all, happy New Year Lien! and I'm very sorry for Justine's loss the other day...
James Wolfensohn was the WB President that had to resign the girlfriend affair. Bolton was the US ambassador at the UN. IMF's President is always from Europe, and right now is from France, Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
Just a little clarification, you know so you guys can insult/defend/discuss the right people
ooops ... wolfowitz was the guy i meant ... same ilk tho ... thanks for the correction ...
If the middle east was dry on oil, Iraq would in fact be the Congo... or the next largest resource.
Nigeria and Chad would be ahead of Congo on that list....more oil in both places and infrastructure already in place. Most of what infrastructure existed in Congo has probably fallen into ruin during the last decade.
The Congo's problems dated back to when it was a private holding of King Leopold II of Belgium. It was not a Belgian colony. The country belonged lock, stock and barrel to the king. Some of the colonial practices carried out under Leopold's guidance made the French and Germans look humanitarians in their colonial practices.
Congo's current "war" problem is simply not an internal struggle. The most serious problems are due to spillage from Rwanda's racial/tribal conflicts.
During the last half of the Cold War, Congo (Zaire) was a client state to the U.S. That's when their soldiers received U.S. arms and training. With the end of the Cold War, we weren't so hip on propping up Mobuto Sese Seko. He was overthrown, and its been a clusterfuck ever since.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
so AfriQueen posts a blog and you take this as proof?
I'm not saying the US is innocent but you're going to have to do better then that.
Honestly just looking at half the stuff you type...
If my govt did something wrong, I'd call them on it (and I have many times)
I have no idea what you are... (actually I do), but taking pretty much anything you say at face value completely defies all common sense.
Honestly if you don't work for the govt to plant disinformation on the internet on purpose....then nobody else does.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Honestly just looking at half the stuff you type...
If my govt did something wrong, I'd call them on it (and I have many times)
I have no idea what you are... (actually I do), but taking pretty much anything you say at face value completely defies all common sense.
Honestly if you don't work for the govt to plant disinformation on the internet on purpose....then nobody else does.
I have said several times in this thread that the US is not innocent in this matter. sorry I didnt take a random blog by a random person and the say all do all. if you dont like what I say then put me on ignore and stop replying to my posts.
you prove to people daily why you are the least respected person here. I know that must not sit well with you
It sure is. In fact, the UN is there RIGHT NOW. They are part of the reason the Congo is so fucked up. Because the UN is fucked up. And pretty much powerless. Their peacekeepers are doing a pretty shitty job of keeping the peace.
Hell, the situation in IRAQ is better than the Congo, judging by these numbers. Even at its worst, I can't find estimates that showed 45,000 Iraqis dying PER DAY.
I'd assume it's because the U.S. military actually has some teeth to it.
The US should never have been in Iraq. One of the main reasons, and I do same 'one' because there are other reasons as well, that the UN is 'fucked up' is because of the United States. The US has made a mockery out of the UN, it has repeatedly egocentrically put its own interests first.
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do you know the answer to that?
It would seem it is the usual stuff exploitation of resources by corporations.
"The Security Council has failed to act on previous reports from the panel showing the link between the activities of multinational corporations and armed groups guilty of massacres and other atrocities. The war in the DRC is estimated to have caused the deaths of more than three million people, the highest death toll in terms of civilian lives since World War II. According to the Panel of Experts, established by the Security Council in June 2000, the drive to control natural resources was a major motive for the war"
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/10/27/congo6483.htm
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
http://www.oxfam.org/en/news/pressreleases2003/pr031027_drc_corporate.htm
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I still cant really understand why there is so much evil on that continent. these corporations arent killing millions of people.
The people are dying because of the corporations.
The corporations don't do things directly but they fund these people which in my book makes them just as bad. Exactly like the CIA don't do things directly they just fund people.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I'm not saying it is, but America tends to take on the role of world police whenever they benefit from it. Or am I mistaken? Perhaps the U.S. should be more clear and truthful about its motives, then people wouldn't expect them to step up whenever there's trouble somewhere.
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hmmm please elaborate.
should we send troops into africa and clean up the mess? would you support that? would you applaud america for doing so?
Well, it depends on America's motives. If they want to help out, of course, why not?
edit: I think the US shouldn't do this alone by the way, it's more of a UN mission, isn't it.
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lets pretend their motives with 100% based on helping out the people and removing genocidal dictators. I believe there would be many people lining up screaming about US imperialism and how we shouldnt be policing the world. it just sucks that its damned if we do damned if we dont.
UN?? I agree but its very very clear they arent capable of doing anything militarily without US involvement. which sucks.
That's probably true. But when you look at that article you posted in the other thread (935? false statements about Iraq) it's really not so hard to believe people don't trust the motives of their government anymore.
Ah yes, that does indeed suck.
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thats why I said pretend
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=269574&page=4&highlight=africa
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so your another one who thinks world bank, IMF, and united states are all one in the same? commy made up a nice number of 90%...how bout you? lets say 91% ?
let's see John Bolton gets sent to head the World Bank ... former member of PNAC ... member of AEI (neocon think tank) ...
anyways - you can have the last word as you see fit ... i don't really think you are interested in hearing views that hurts your view of america and the corporations that run it ...
actually Robert Zoellick heads the bank.
but really, please tell me how the genocide happening in the congo is the fault of america?
uhhh ... yeah cuz bolton had to resign for improperly promoting his gf ...
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/09/hightech_genoci.html
It sure is. In fact, the UN is there RIGHT NOW. They are part of the reason the Congo is so fucked up. Because the UN is fucked up. And pretty much powerless. Their peacekeepers are doing a pretty shitty job of keeping the peace.
Hell, the situation in IRAQ is better than the Congo, judging by these numbers. Even at its worst, I can't find estimates that showed 45,000 Iraqis dying PER DAY.
I'd assume it's because the U.S. military actually has some teeth to it.
for the least they could possibly do
he should probably be stoned to death for it.
so anyway, how is america responsible for the genocide in congo?
http://congovoices.blogspot.com/
The rebels are able to carry out their heinous activities with the help of the west. The weapons they use mainly come from Britain and the US. Their officers were trained in the west. The minerals they extort from the Congolese people are sold to multinational corporations such as Bechtel Inc (San Francisco), Cabot (Boston), American Mineral Fields, DeBeers, and Barrick Gold. According to Investigative Journalist Keith Snow, former president George H.W. Bush was a paid advisor for Barrick Gold.
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do you honestly not see the complicity in this?
so AfriQueen posts a blog and you take this as proof?
I'm not saying the US is innocent but you're going to have to do better then that.
First of all, happy New Year Lien! and I'm very sorry for Justine's loss the other day...
James Wolfensohn was the WB President that had to resign the girlfriend affair. Bolton was the US ambassador at the UN. IMF's President is always from Europe, and right now is from France, Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
Just a little clarification, you know so you guys can insult/defend/discuss the right people
ooops ... wolfowitz was the guy i meant ... same ilk tho ... thanks for the correction ...
too bad james couldn't put up a better fight ...
uhhh ... there is a whole list of suggested readings on the side bar ... feel free to read them ...
Sorry for the off-topic, but yeah I felt bad for James today, he played incredible tennis, yet ended with his hands empty.
The Congo's problems dated back to when it was a private holding of King Leopold II of Belgium. It was not a Belgian colony. The country belonged lock, stock and barrel to the king. Some of the colonial practices carried out under Leopold's guidance made the French and Germans look humanitarians in their colonial practices.
Congo's current "war" problem is simply not an internal struggle. The most serious problems are due to spillage from Rwanda's racial/tribal conflicts.
During the last half of the Cold War, Congo (Zaire) was a client state to the U.S. That's when their soldiers received U.S. arms and training. With the end of the Cold War, we weren't so hip on propping up Mobuto Sese Seko. He was overthrown, and its been a clusterfuck ever since.
Honestly just looking at half the stuff you type...
If my govt did something wrong, I'd call them on it (and I have many times)
I have no idea what you are... (actually I do), but taking pretty much anything you say at face value completely defies all common sense.
Honestly if you don't work for the govt to plant disinformation on the internet on purpose....then nobody else does.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I have said several times in this thread that the US is not innocent in this matter. sorry I didnt take a random blog by a random person and the say all do all. if you dont like what I say then put me on ignore and stop replying to my posts.
you prove to people daily why you are the least respected person here. I know that must not sit well with you
The US should never have been in Iraq. One of the main reasons, and I do same 'one' because there are other reasons as well, that the UN is 'fucked up' is because of the United States. The US has made a mockery out of the UN, it has repeatedly egocentrically put its own interests first.
Also man, it's 45.000 death per month.
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