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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Commy wrote:
    There is a such thing as humanitarian interventoin, its just that the US has never participated in it.

    Precisely. If anyone is still in the dark on what really happened in Iraq.

    watch...
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6182969183854471645&q=No+End+In+Sight&total=748&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

    then get back to me..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so its america's responsibility to fix this. why?

    Because nothing is going to be done about it unless there's a prize at the end.

    I thought I typed that already..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • My3rdEye
    My3rdEye Posts: 927
    UN problem.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so its america's responsibility to fix this. why?
    For once I agree with you, it's less america's responsibility than europe's and china - though help from the whole international community could help.

    The way I understand it is that Africa is full of resources (in Congo too) but europe, and indirectly america as well, has fucked so much with africa in the past 500 years that current government try to stay as far as possible away from anything that can be compared to meddling over there.
    However, Africa has (among plenty of other stuff) : diamonds, oil and uranium. And Africa also has unnatural borders and many different ethnies. So major corporation in oil (total and their role in rwanda), uranium (see arcelor with nigeria) and diamonds use the unstability to harvest ressources easily. China does basically the same (darfur?).
    And it seems most occidental governments do not want to say anything, because of their ties with the corporations or because they still feel guilty with the colonisation and slavery and all of that or because they simply have no right to do so and do not want to use it.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Well, I did know this. Congo is in the news a lot here.
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Tragic. How much oil do they have?

    The Congo's growing petroleum sector is by far the country's major revenue earner.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Republic_of_the_Congo
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    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    spiral out wrote:
    The Congo's growing petroleum sector is by far the country's major revenue earner.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Republic_of_the_Congo


    Interesting how some (read: shills) assume the US is doing nothing, when in fact it's well documented the CIA routinely infiltrates many aspects of foreign government, and the outcome is not necessarily of a helping nature...wink wink

    If the middle east was dry on oil, Iraq would in fact be the Congo... or the next largest resource.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Because nothing is going to be done about it unless there's a prize at the end.

    I thought I typed that already..

    I'll ask again. why is it America's responsibility to fix this?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Interesting how some (read: shills) assume the US is doing nothing, when in fact it's well documented the CIA routinely infiltrates many aspects of foreign government, and the outcome is not necessarily of a helping nature...wink wink

    If the middle east was dry on oil, Iraq would in fact be the Congo... or the next largest resource.

    so its be proven that the congo (and other central african countries) are full of natural resources. prizes as you say.

    by your logic, we are ready to invade, kill all civilians, and take the recources for ourselves.


    are we doing this after we invade Iran?


    in other news, it quite sad that so many people are dying over there.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so its be proven that the congo (and other central african countries) are full of natural resources. prizes as you say.

    by your logic, we are ready to invade, kill all civilians, and take the recources for ourselves.


    are we doing this after we invade Iran?


    in other news, it quite sad that so many people are dying over there.

    Yes it is sad that people are dying over there but it would a good idea to find out why they are dying.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Yes it is sad that people are dying over there but it would a good idea to find out why they are dying.

    do you know the answer to that?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    do you know the answer to that?

    It would seem it is the usual stuff exploitation of resources by corporations.

    "The Security Council has failed to act on previous reports from the panel showing the link between the activities of multinational corporations and armed groups guilty of massacres and other atrocities. The war in the DRC is estimated to have caused the deaths of more than three million people, the highest death toll in terms of civilian lives since World War II. According to the Panel of Experts, established by the Security Council in June 2000, the drive to control natural resources was a major motive for the war"



    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/10/27/congo6483.htm
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    And this

    http://www.oxfam.org/en/news/pressreleases2003/pr031027_drc_corporate.htm
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    it would be nice if they named names in those links. interesting stuff.

    I still cant really understand why there is so much evil on that continent. these corporations arent killing millions of people.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    it would be nice if they named names in those links. interesting stuff.

    I still cant really understand why there is so much evil on that continent. these corporations arent killing millions of people.

    The people are dying because of the corporations.

    The corporations don't do things directly but they fund these people which in my book makes them just as bad. Exactly like the CIA don't do things directly they just fund people.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i know this ... i believe i tried to tell "someone" this but they told me i was making up stuff to fit my agenda ... :rolleyes:
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'll ask again. why is it America's responsibility to fix this?

    I'm not saying it is, but America tends to take on the role of world police whenever they benefit from it. Or am I mistaken? Perhaps the U.S. should be more clear and truthful about its motives, then people wouldn't expect them to step up whenever there's trouble somewhere.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    i know this ... i believe i tried to tell "someone" this but they told me i was making up stuff to fit my agenda ... :rolleyes:

    hmmm please elaborate.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Collin wrote:
    I'm not saying it is, but America tends to take on the role of world police whenever they benefit from it. Or am I mistaken? Perhaps the U.S. should be more clear and truthful about its motives, then people wouldn't expect them to step up whenever there's trouble somewhere.

    should we send troops into africa and clean up the mess? would you support that? would you applaud america for doing so?
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    should we send troops into africa and clean up the mess? would you support that? would you applaud america for doing so?

    Well, it depends on America's motives. If they want to help out, of course, why not?

    edit: I think the US shouldn't do this alone by the way, it's more of a UN mission, isn't it.
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