No Smoking in Bars.....

mammasan

dunkman wrote:

and you'd know the produce was unfresh how exactly? i've just been to Liverpool and i had maybe 3 meals the whole weekend i was there... i've never been there before so i have to presume they are meeting the national standards of food hygiene... are you wanting to wait until people get sick, food poisoning, so you can say... oh wel i'll just not go back there! how odd




never lived across the street from a pub then have you? I once phoned the pub opposite me and asked when the band might stop playing as i was going to work in 5 hours. he told me it was a private party and the band could play "as long as they fucking want"

one phone call and 15 minutes later his pub was closed for the night. had the government no law on noise pollution he could have had his "private party" goingon for 47 weeks if he wanted... coomon sense prevails




actually as a scotsman i agree with this one




so members of staff would have to shit and piss somewhere then... and the big pot of soup seems a good place.. or the alley at the side of the place.

government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes

It's not that hard to tell if food was not fresh even after it has been cooked, I worked in the resturant business. With fish, poultry and meats the texture and color is different and there is distict smell to it even after it has been cooked. Fruits and vegetables you can't cover up if they are not fresh same with dairy products.

I have lived up the street from two bars.

I knew you would have no problem with my answer on this one.

If you are stupid enough to want to work/drink/eat at an establishment that has no bathroom facilities then that is your problem not mine.

even flow?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Health crusade? ??? The only health I'm concerned about is my own and my blood. I could care less what others do to their own health as long as it does not affect mine. I don't care if you smoke or not...it's not of my concern unless you blow it in my face. Feel free to do whatever you want just not if it affects my life in terms of shortening it.

Car's, factories, pollution...etc...yes why make it even worse again?

Where is the logic?

So smoking bars for the smokers!!!!

mammasan

Derrick wrote:

No. Not everyone has the exact same values. You're truly wrong. Go read Lord of the Flies.

I have read it. Those where children not adults unless you believe that you lack the ability to act as an adult and need the government to do that for you.

Derrick

mammasan wrote:

I have read it. Those where children not adults unless you believe that you lack the ability to act as an adult and need the government to do that for you.

Just because I know I will act like an adult, and maybe you will too...that doesn't mean 300 million other citizens will. That is why you need government. And as for the book, yes those were children, but I'm sure you can read deeper than the text.

Furthermore, just because you have the physical and psychological ability to take matters into your own hands does not mean all folks do. Do not discriminate against them.

mammasan

dunkman wrote:

government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes

Government is a necessary evil, I will not argue that, but some of the examples people are bringing up can be established without government intervention. We need less government in our lives not more. The smoking ban, while it was enacted with good intentions, is an example of government over stepping it bounds. Like I said I have nothing against prohibiting smoking in the workplace or bars/resturaunts, I'm a smoker and I prefer no smoking in bars, it's how the law was enacted. It should have been a voluntary ban, with some finacial incentives for those that voluntered.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

even flow? wrote:

So smoking bars for the smokers!!!!

but smokers want to smoke everywhere..they're addicted remember?? and they can't/won't/don't want to stop and don't want to be segregated or alienated by big brother. Really who's doing the whining in all of this?

Non smokers are not addicted to not smoking :rolleyes:

one side is out of balance in the head...can you guess which one?

mammasan

Derrick wrote:

Just because I know I will act like an adult, and maybe you will too...that doesn't mean 300 million other citizens will. That is why you need government. And as for the book, yes those were children, but I'm sure you can read deeper than the text.

Furthermore, just because you have the physical and psychological ability to take matters into your own hands does not mean all folks do. Do not discriminate against them.

I think you under estimate your fellow 300 million citizens. As for the mental incapable their loved ones or care taker will be their to aid them. They will not be discriminated against or left to fend for themselves. Just because i don't want the government involved in ever facet of life doesn't mean I'm a heartless bastard.

Derrick

mammasan wrote:

Government is a necessary evil, I will not argue that, but some of the examples people are bringing up can be established without government intervention. We need less government in our lives not more. The smoking ban, while it was enacted with good intentions, is an example of government over stepping it bounds. Like I said I have nothing against prohibiting smoking in the workplace or bars/resturaunts, I'm a smoker and I prefer no smoking in bars, it's how the law was enacted. It should have been a voluntary ban, with some finacial incentives for those that voluntered.

I can agree to that. But make them really absurd fines such that those bars have to really raise prices.

I think the government should take a similar approach to environmentally friendly cars. Like, at malls and such, there should be regulations to make the first 3 rows of parking for environmentally friendly cars only. Stuff like that.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

but smokers want to smoke everywhere..they're addicted remember?? and they can't/won't/don't want to stop and don't want to be segregated or alienated by big brother. Really who's whining in all of this?

Non smokers are not addicted to not smoking :rolleyes:

one side is out of balance...can you guess which one?

I don't want to smoke everywhere. I don't smoke in my home, in my car, in front of my children, in a park if children are at play near me.

Non smokers are addicted to being whinny bitches.

dunkman

mammasan wrote:

It's not that hard to tell if food was not fresh even after it has been cooked, I worked in the resturant business. With fish, poultry and meats the texture and color is different and there is distict smell to it even after it has been cooked. Fruits and vegetables you can't cover up if they are not fresh same with dairy products.

I have lived up the street from two bars.

I knew you would have no problem with my answer on this one.

If you are stupid enough to want to work/drink/eat at an establishment that has no bathroom facilities then that is your problem not mine.

you've been trained/have this knowledge... a lot of other people dont. Listeria is an invisible bacteria that resides in meat, eggs can contain bacteria if not cooked properly

good for you.. i stayed across from one... was noisy until 2.am and then the fighting normally started... if the pub was open 24hrs... well most likely i would have went to it... fuck sleep

hmmmm... if you are stupid enough to want to sit in a bar that has 30-40 smokers in it then i feel its you who is more stupid than someone who sits in a bar then realises there is no bathroom... and that second hand smoke IS my problem as its directly affecting my health... ergo its banned, just as junkies were banned from donating sperm for £50 a pop a few years ago.. the reason.. oh the government realised it might be detrimental to the publics health... you agree with that governmental intervention

mammasan

Derrick wrote:

I can agree to that. But make them really absurd fines such that those bars have to really raise prices.

I think the government should take a similar approach to environmentally friendly cars. Like, at malls and such, there should be regulations to make the first 3 rows of parking for environmentally friendly cars only. Stuff like that.

Not fines but tax breaks for bars that volunteer or if you are going to open a non-smoking bar you get a discount of your liquor license.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

I don't want to smoke everywhere. I don't smoke in my home, in my car, in front of my children, in a park if children are at play near me.

Non smokers are addicted to being whinny bitches.

Yeah tumors are fun! forgive me for speaking out a little... I keep forgetting how much fun lung cancer is!

So you break away from life to appease your addiction?

What does that tell you? ...something is wrong with the picture and it's plain as day.

Remember that little ditty in Sesame Street...one of these things is not like the other ...one of these thing just does not belong?

even flow?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

but smokers want to smoke everywhere..they're addicted remember?? and they can't/won't/don't want to stop and don't want to be segregated or alienated by big brother. Really who's doing the whining in all of this?

Non smokers are not addicted to not smoking :rolleyes:

one side is out of balance in the head...can you guess which one?

So smoking bars for the smokers.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah tumors are fun! forgive me for speaking out a little... I keep forgetting how much fun lung cancer is!

So you break away from life to appease your addiction?

What does that tell you? ...something is wrong with the picture and it's plain as day.

Remember that little ditty in Sesame Street...one of these things is not like the other ...one of these thing just does not belong?

What is wrong with this picture is that what I do to my body is really none of your business. You choose not to smoke I do get over it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

even flow? wrote:

So smoking bars for the smokers.

Well no...what part of stuck on stupid are you at again

How bout real guns for children?

smoking cigarettes is just about as infantile and consequential a concept...regardless of the age of the user...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

What is wrong with this picture is that what I do to my body is really none of your business. You choose not to smoke I do get over it.

Unless you infringe on my fundamental rights to health in public and choose to make it my business.

Then you are presented with a bit of a problem.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Unless you infringe on my fundamental rights to health in public and choose to make it my business.

Then you are presented with a bit of a problem.

But I'm not infringing on those right. When I go outside after work and light up am I infringing on your right to health. No, so what I do to my body is none of your business.

dunkman

even flow? wrote:

So smoking bars for the smokers.

no

you'll kill the bar staff.. imagine 30-40 people smoking in a small pub.

also before its raised... "he/she can just decide not to take that job".. now i live in rural Scotland.. my nearest pub is more than 3 miles away.. the next ones after that is in the town centre (5 miles or so)

now, if i was a barman and the pub nearest me went "pro-smokers" and i refused to take that job then it'd be the next pubs 5 or so miles away... beyond that... hmmmm 21 miles away or so... so now i have to hope i can find a job that requires a 42 miles round trip for a 5 hour shift... not economically viable for me.. nevermind my emmission travelling to my "non-smoking" employment!

now imagine i was disabled and had no transport

would all of you stub out your ciggies if a busload of travelling pregnant women came into a local pub for something to eat... i bet you all fucking would.. yet you wouldnt extend me the same courtesy.. thats selfishness encapsulated

dunkman

mammasan wrote:

But I'm not infringing on those right. When I go outside after work and light up am I infringing on your right to health. No, so what I do to my body is none of your business.

but what you do to you my health is my business

Derrick

Like I said earlier, they should just legalize MJ.

Then this thread wouldn't be approaching 20 pages long. We'd be saying...

"Yeah, cigarettes suck"
"Cool"
"Do you wanna get some chips?"
"Yeah"