This is why John Edwards sucks

farfromglorified

sweetpotato wrote:

thanks for proving my point.

Your point was that people's pay is related to the amount of work they do (it's not), and that the use of a message board somehow is mutually exclusive to doing valuable work. Both are obviously not true, so I didn't prove your point.

Let's try an exercise. Let's say that you own a house. Let's say that, one day, two solicitors knock on your door. You invite the first in and he looks around your house and announces that he will clean your house for $100. It will take him 6 hours. You then invite the second in and he looks around you house and announces that he can install a machine in your house that will clean it everyday. This machine costs $100 and will take 5 minutes to install. You decide in your head that one of these deals is good value, and the other is better value (it doesn't matter which is which). Would your decision have anything whatsoever to do with the amount of time either job takes?

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

your full of chit


so someone steals your car, your not going to call the police?

bullshit

I would definitely call the police! Hell, I'm already paying for their services. However, if you offered me the deal to forgo police services in exchange for being able to keep the money you force from me, I'll happily agree to not call the police if my car gets stolen. But you're just bluffing anyways.

jlew24asu

sweetpotato wrote:

i don't, not entirely, but it would seem that at least PART of your day should involve actually working AT something. something that would prohibit your excessive use of rock band message boards.

sadly you know little to nothing about anybody who posts on this message board.

work overnight shift? live off sound investments? you see where I'm going dont you....

jlew24asu

farfromglorified wrote:

I would definitely call the police! Hell, I'm already paying for their services. However, if you offered me the deal to forgo police services in exchange for being able to keep the money you force from me, I'll happily agree to not call the police if my car gets stolen. But you're just bluffing anyways.

or pay the police a fee for their service voluntarily of course.

my2hands

some people think they are the only ones that matter...

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

some people think they are the only ones that matter...

Sounds kind of funny coming from a person making demands without promising to provide any value in return.

The fact of the matter is that everyone matters, rich, poor, or otherwise. The extension of that is that no one, rich, poor, or otherwise, has any claim to the rights of another. See how that works?

my2hands

i am sorry...

but you free market, taxes=stealing guys are so damn naive it is funny...

thank god you guys are the foolish minority

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

i am sorry...

but you free market, taxes=stealing guys are so damn naive it is funny...

Then educate us. We have a right to an education. Therefore, you have an obligation to provide it.

my2hands

farfromglorified wrote:

Sounds kind of funny coming from a person making demands without promising to provide any value in return.

The fact of the matter is that everyone matters, rich, poor, or otherwise. The extension of that is that no one, rich, poor, or otherwise, has any claim to the rights of another. See how that works?

dont get injured or develop cancer... i wouldnt want to see your children lose their home and way of life because the bread winner got sick and can no longer provide for them...

oh thats right, it wont happen to you. because you work hard


it happens, trust me. i have experienced it.

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

dont get injured or develop cancer...

I'm not terribly concerned about getting injured or developing cancer. But both are certainly possibilities. Regardless, my fears of injury or cancer don't give me a lease on my neighbor.

i wouldnt want to see your children lose their home and way of life because the bread winner got sick and can no longer provide for them...

I don't have kids, but that certainly does happen to many who do.

it happens, trust me. i have experienced it.

I have no doubt that it happens, m2h. I don't think anyone is arguing that it doesn't happen. But none of those things gives people the right to force their neighbors to provide for them. It's like suggesting that slavery was right because cotton shirts prevented people from freezing to death.

my2hands

farfromglorified wrote:

Then educate us. We have a right to an education. Therefore, you have an obligation to provide it.

i proudly pay taxes to support the education of my society...

and would gladly pay more for higher quality and higher pay for teachers so that the best and brightest go into the education field instead of wasting their talents in some bullhit profession such as attorney or the banking industry

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

i proudly pay taxes to support the education of my society...

But I have a right to an education, not just your taxes. And, as you say, I am naive. Therefore, you have a duty to me.

and would gladly pay more for higher quality and higher pay for teachers so that the best and brightest go into the education field instead of wasting their talents in some bullhit profession such as attorney or the banking industry

Then pay for them! No one here is telling you not to pay teachers.

sweetpotato

farfromglorified wrote:

Your point was that people's pay is related to the amount of work they do (it's not), and that the use of a message board somehow is mutually exclusive to doing valuable work. Both are obviously not true, so I didn't prove your point.

you drew a straight line from overcompensated, under-worked arseholes to anti-social programs, pro-capitalist arseholes. it's an arshole-to-arshole love connection!

again, thank you.

my2hands

farfromglorified wrote:

But I have a right to an education

yes you have a right to an education... and it is the collective responsibility of society to ensure that you have access to it...

farfromglorified

sweetpotato wrote:

you drew a straight line from overcompensated, under-worked arseholes to anti-social programs, pro-capitalist arseholes. it's an arshole-to-arshole love connection!

This addresses not a single of the questions I asked you. It only invents something that no one said, and you've tried to hide in cute insults. This isn't a playground, and we're not 10.

So, let's try again:

1) What is the relationship between the amount of work a person does and the value of that work?
2) How did you determine that I (or anyone else) is overcompensated?

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

yes you have a right to an education... and it is the collective responsibility of society to ensure that you have access to it...

You're part of this collective, just like Bill Gates, are you not? So do it up. Educate. Tell me why I am naive. Go!

sweetpotato

farfromglorified wrote:

This addresses not a single of the questions I asked you. It only invents something that no one said, and you've tried to hide in cute insults. This isn't a playground, and we're not 10.

So, let's try again:

1) What is the relationship between the amount of work a person does and the value of that work?
2) How did you determine that I (or anyone else) is overcompensated?

There needs to be SOME output in any job, doesn't there? Are you a brain surgeon, in which case I could see how you might have large stretches of downtime in between lifesaving surgeries? Assuming you're not, what DO you do for a living?

my2hands

how about we just close all the publicly funded prisons and release the inmates... close all the police departments... then close the schools... and the government jobs... then the research and devolpment funding... then the transportation funding...

then you guys will get a real dose of what the world would be like in your little libertarian/free market/taxes=stealing utopia


what a joke

farfromglorified

sweetpotato wrote:

There needs to be SOME output in any job, doesn't there?

Absolutely! But the value of the output is not necessarily related to the amount of time it took to create the output.

Are you a brain surgeon, in which case I could see how you might have large stretches of downtime in between lifesaving surgeries?

No, I'm certainly not a brain surgeon.

Assuming you're not, what DO you do for a living?

I play with computers.

sweetpotato

farfromglorified wrote:

Absolutely! But the value of the output is not necessarily related to the amount of time it took to create the output.


No, I'm certainly not a brain surgeon.


I play with computers.

most often, time + energy= value.

are you supposed to be producing anything of any value?