on the fact that confessions produced under duress are unreliable. whether or not he was being tortured at the moment he confessed is irrelevant. they broke him. they tortured and leaned on him for YEARS and he ended up confessing to everything they asked him to... so they just solved 15 years worth of terrorism and everyone gets a gold star and a raise. we have people in america who were held in holding cells for a few hours and simply INTIMIDATED by police before signing confessions that gave them death sentences for crimes they didn't commit, only to be exonerated by dna evidence later... and you're telling me it's impossible that maybe his resume was padded even a LITTLE bit after years of torture and imprisonment without trial or counsel?
wow lew, cant even use your sentence by sentence dissection tactic on this to try and deny its accuracy? you're bringing it weak today.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
ok guys you see..we become citizens of a country that allows anyone to enjoy their luxuries... and you see we go to this school that lets us fly these things with wings...and we highjack airplanes with just chemical smoke bombs and box cutters.. than we fly them into buildings and one into a field.
ok guys you see..we become citizens of a country that allows anyone to enjoy their luxuries... and you see we go to this school that lets us fly these things with wings...and we highjack airplanes with just chemical smoke bombs and box cutters.. than we fly them into buildings and one into a field.
reading through this thread i noticed how a majority of people are crediting jlew with labeling this guy as the "mastermind", just because it's in the thread title. just to throw a tidbit out there: everywhere i've seen this story today, they've used the word "mastermind" in the title of the story. don't get down on jlew just because he quoted the title of an article for his thread title.
mastermind or not, this guy was involved up to his eyeballs. they had proof of that on the computer they seized from his apartment. now i haven't looked through the entire list of things he's admitted to, but the few that i remember, i believe he had a hand in. this guy was top rung with al-queda (sp? i can never remember how to spell that). one thing i'd really like to know though: did all these confessions come at once, or were they taken over the entire time period he's been at GITMO?
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reading through this thread i noticed how a majority of people are crediting jlew with labeling this guy as the "mastermind", just because it's in the thread title. just to throw a tidbit out there: everywhere i've seen this story today, they've used the word "mastermind" in the title of the story. don't get down on jlew just because he quoted the title of an article for his thread title.
mastermind or not, this guy was involved up to his eyeballs. they had proof of that on the computer they seized from his apartment. now i haven't looked through the entire list of things he's admitted to, but the few that i remember, i believe he had a hand in. this guy was top rung with al-queda (sp? i can never remember how to spell that). one thing i'd really like to know though: did all these confessions come at once, or were they taken over the entire time period he's been at GITMO?
LOL.... you used the word tidbit.
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Ignorance is Strength
WASHINGTON - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to that attack and a string of others during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon. "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z," Mohammed said in a statement read during the session, which was held last Saturday.
The transcripts also refer to a claim by Mohammed that he was tortured by the CIA, although he said he was not under duress when he confessed to his role in the attacks.
In a chilling list of attacks — some of which were carried out, some not — Mohammed claimed responsibility for planning, financing and training others for plots ranging from the 1993 truck bombing of the World Trade Center to the attempt by would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight with explosives hidden in his shoes.
He said he was involved in planning the 2002 bombing of a Kenya beach resort frequented by Israelis and the failed missile attack on an Israeli passenger jet after it took off from Mombasa, Kenya. He also said he was responsible for the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia. In 2002, 202 were killed when two Bali nightclubs were bombed.
Other plots he said he was responsible for included planned attacks against the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Empire State Building and New York Stock Exchange, the Panama Canal and Big Ben and Heathrow Airport in London — none of which occurred.
He also said he was involved in planning assassination attempts against former Presidents Carter and Clinton, attacks on U.S. nuclear power plants and suspension bridges in New York, the destruction of American and Israeli embassies in Asia and Australia, attacks on American naval vessels and oil tankers around the world and an attempt to destroy an oil company he said was owned by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger on Sumatra, Indonesia.
In all, Mohammed said he was responsible for planning 28 attacks. The comments were included in a 26-page transcript released by the Pentagon, which blacked out some of his remarks.
moeaholic, so here you can see the average maturity level of some around here.
bah, doesn't bother me.
and rush, i wasn't making fun of you just trying to lighten the mood a bit. did your tit get all twisted when i said that the other day? sheesh, sorry. didn't know you were so touchy.
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
and rush, i wasn't making fun of you just trying to lighten the mood a bit. did your tit get all twisted when i said that the other day? sheesh, sorry. didn't know you were so touchy.
No, I knew you were making fun of me in that way, I didnt take it as assholish (is that a word?). Just letting J-Lo understand I wasnt being a jerk to you. He's the touchy one.
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Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
No, I knew you were making fun of me in that way, I didnt take it as assholish (is that a word?). Just letting J-Lo understand I wasnt being a jerk to you. He's the touchy one.
we're all touchy from time to time. plus it's real easy to read what someone wrote, but nearly impossible to detect the tone it was written in. and assholish...i've used it on occasion, so i'd say it's a word.
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
They forgot to include Watergate and the OKC bombing.
there was just a fox news alert KSM framed roger rabbit!!!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
They forgot to include Watergate and the OKC bombing.
Now now, we gotta make it look like it's all true so the simple folk will believe it.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The people on here who say this guy is the mastermind seem to be the same people who don't think that Saddam got his gasses handed to him. Row, row, row your boat......
They forgot to include Watergate and the OKC bombing.
Not to mention his role in directing Jack Ruby to kill Lee Harvey Oswald, as the guy behind the grassy knoll, the guy who made Mark David Chapman a psycho, the guy who stuck a needle in Bob Marley's shoe and gave him the melanoma, AND the guy who inspired Barry Manilow to pick up a microphone.
Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.
Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7, were taken into custody in Pakistan in September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding.
Mohammed fled just hours before the raid but his sons and another senior al-Qaeda member were found cowering behind a wardrobe in the apartment.
The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities. "We are handling them with kid gloves," said one official. "After all, they are only little children, but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care."
Mohammed, 37, is being held in solitary confinement at the Bagram US military base in Afghanistan. He is being subjected to "stress and duress" interrogation techniques.
He has been told that his sons are being held and is being urged to divulge future attacks against the West and reveal the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.
"He has said very little so far," a CIA official said on Saturday. "He sits in a trance-like state and recites verses from the Koran. But while he may claim to be a devout Muslim, we know he is fond of the Western-style fast life. His sons are important to him. The promise of their release and their return to Pakistan may be the psychological lever we need to break him."
The Kuwaiti-born Mohammed named his older son after Ramzi Yousef, his nephew, who was convicted of masterminding the 1993 attack on New York's World Trade Centre. After the attack, Yousef fled to the Philippines with his uncle.
When bomb-making chemicals set fire to their Manila apartment, Yousef fled to Pakistan, where he was captured in an Islamabad hotel room in 1995.
Mohammed was in the next room and, audaciously, gave an account of the arrest to a reporter. By the time Pakistani authorities found out his identity he had fled the country.
He was eventually arrested on March 1 in Rawalpindi, near the home of Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf. Among the items found was a photograph of a smiling Mohammed with his arms around his two sons.
Known as "The Engineer", he is suspected of masterminding the Bali bombings and slashing the throat of American reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in January last year.
Little is known of his sons' mother, who is thought to be Pakistani. "All we know is that she is the sister of an al-Qaeda member that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed met at a Pakistan college, the University of Dawa al Jihad, in the late 1980s," a source said.
- Sunday Telegraph
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Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.
Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7, were taken into custody in Pakistan in September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding.
Mohammed fled just hours before the raid but his sons and another senior al-Qaeda member were found cowering behind a wardrobe in the apartment.
The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities. "We are handling them with kid gloves," said one official. "After all, they are only little children, but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care."
Mohammed, 37, is being held in solitary confinement at the Bagram US military base in Afghanistan. He is being subjected to "stress and duress" interrogation techniques.
He has been told that his sons are being held and is being urged to divulge future attacks against the West and reveal the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.
"He has said very little so far," a CIA official said on Saturday. "He sits in a trance-like state and recites verses from the Koran. But while he may claim to be a devout Muslim, we know he is fond of the Western-style fast life. His sons are important to him. The promise of their release and their return to Pakistan may be the psychological lever we need to break him."
The Kuwaiti-born Mohammed named his older son after Ramzi Yousef, his nephew, who was convicted of masterminding the 1993 attack on New York's World Trade Centre. After the attack, Yousef fled to the Philippines with his uncle.
When bomb-making chemicals set fire to their Manila apartment, Yousef fled to Pakistan, where he was captured in an Islamabad hotel room in 1995.
Mohammed was in the next room and, audaciously, gave an account of the arrest to a reporter. By the time Pakistani authorities found out his identity he had fled the country.
He was eventually arrested on March 1 in Rawalpindi, near the home of Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf. Among the items found was a photograph of a smiling Mohammed with his arms around his two sons.
Known as "The Engineer", he is suspected of masterminding the Bali bombings and slashing the throat of American reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in January last year.
Little is known of his sons' mother, who is thought to be Pakistani. "All we know is that she is the sister of an al-Qaeda member that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed met at a Pakistan college, the University of Dawa al Jihad, in the late 1980s," a source said.
- Sunday Telegraph
Jesus, this would explain more than the torture. Incredible. This guy would confess to anything to help his kids. Have we come to this?
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Jesus, this would explain more than the torture. Incredible. This guy would confess to anything to help his kids. Have we come to this?
ive got to agree... this is very disturbing. when the united states is abducting children and using them as leverage in interrogation... i dont even know what to say. i feel nauseous.
keep this on the hush hush, but i have it from a very reliable source that we are going to win the war on terror sometime next week.
and you gotta love the timing of these "confessions"...they've had him for what, 4 years now? and what should knock the gonzales clusterfuck out of the headlines but KSM?
"weapons of mass distraction"
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"keep looking"
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ok I guess I'll go read books.
wow lew, cant even use your sentence by sentence dissection tactic on this to try and deny its accuracy? you're bringing it weak today.
The list starts at the bottom of on page 17 of the PDF and goes on for quite a while... Even the Pope gets honorable mention.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/03/14/transcript_ISN10024.pdf
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Hail, Hail!!!
mastermind huh.. BRILLIANT!
lol
this makes me think of poor LHO
SINGLE BULLET THEORY
This is a very good point..
LMAO !! Nice one !
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mastermind or not, this guy was involved up to his eyeballs. they had proof of that on the computer they seized from his apartment. now i haven't looked through the entire list of things he's admitted to, but the few that i remember, i believe he had a hand in. this guy was top rung with al-queda (sp? i can never remember how to spell that). one thing i'd really like to know though: did all these confessions come at once, or were they taken over the entire time period he's been at GITMO?
~Michael Bolton
Ron Jeremy? No way.....
- Mitch Hedberg
LOL.... you used the word tidbit.
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moeaholic, so here you can see the average maturity level of some around here.
Actually he made fun of me a few days ago for using the word "taint". You calling Moeby immature? LOL, what a chump.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4254521&postcount=13
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Ignorance is Strength
They forgot to include Watergate and the OKC bombing.
bah, doesn't bother me.
and rush, i wasn't making fun of you just trying to lighten the mood a bit. did your tit get all twisted when i said that the other day? sheesh, sorry. didn't know you were so touchy.
~Michael Bolton
9th paragraph down in the article below.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/custom/attack/bal-mohammed0315,0,7362055.story?track=rss
~Michael Bolton
No, I knew you were making fun of me in that way, I didnt take it as assholish (is that a word?). Just letting J-Lo understand I wasnt being a jerk to you. He's the touchy one.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
we're all touchy from time to time. plus it's real easy to read what someone wrote, but nearly impossible to detect the tone it was written in. and assholish...i've used it on occasion, so i'd say it's a word.
~Michael Bolton
there was just a fox news alert KSM framed roger rabbit!!!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Now now, we gotta make it look like it's all true so the simple folk will believe it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Too late im afraid....
No bull propaganda war for me
Im going with the people of sensible free minds, muslim or otherwise...
Edited: badd speling
Hail, Hail!!!
We have your sons: CIA
March 10 2003
By Olga Craig
Kuwait
Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.
Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7, were taken into custody in Pakistan in September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding.
Mohammed fled just hours before the raid but his sons and another senior al-Qaeda member were found cowering behind a wardrobe in the apartment.
The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities. "We are handling them with kid gloves," said one official. "After all, they are only little children, but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care."
Mohammed, 37, is being held in solitary confinement at the Bagram US military base in Afghanistan. He is being subjected to "stress and duress" interrogation techniques.
He has been told that his sons are being held and is being urged to divulge future attacks against the West and reveal the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.
"He has said very little so far," a CIA official said on Saturday. "He sits in a trance-like state and recites verses from the Koran. But while he may claim to be a devout Muslim, we know he is fond of the Western-style fast life. His sons are important to him. The promise of their release and their return to Pakistan may be the psychological lever we need to break him."
The Kuwaiti-born Mohammed named his older son after Ramzi Yousef, his nephew, who was convicted of masterminding the 1993 attack on New York's World Trade Centre. After the attack, Yousef fled to the Philippines with his uncle.
When bomb-making chemicals set fire to their Manila apartment, Yousef fled to Pakistan, where he was captured in an Islamabad hotel room in 1995.
Mohammed was in the next room and, audaciously, gave an account of the arrest to a reporter. By the time Pakistani authorities found out his identity he had fled the country.
He was eventually arrested on March 1 in Rawalpindi, near the home of Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf. Among the items found was a photograph of a smiling Mohammed with his arms around his two sons.
Known as "The Engineer", he is suspected of masterminding the Bali bombings and slashing the throat of American reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in January last year.
Little is known of his sons' mother, who is thought to be Pakistani. "All we know is that she is the sister of an al-Qaeda member that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed met at a Pakistan college, the University of Dawa al Jihad, in the late 1980s," a source said.
- Sunday Telegraph
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Those Bin Ladin family ties run all the way into the oval office.
This just in, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed claimes that HE might be the father of Anna Nicole's baby.
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Jesus, this would explain more than the torture. Incredible. This guy would confess to anything to help his kids. Have we come to this?
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
ive got to agree... this is very disturbing. when the united states is abducting children and using them as leverage in interrogation... i dont even know what to say. i feel nauseous.
"weapons of mass distraction"
-ed vedder dallas '03 wmd contest
"keep looking"
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america