No, I don't think he's innocent. But I don't think he was the mastermind behind all of the attacks he's being held accountable for. He did claim to be behind the '93 bombing of the WTC and he most certainly was involved in 9/11, but for our government to proudly proclaim they caught "THE MASTERMIND" is an overstatement and I think some of the other confessions could have been forced.
an overstatement? barely. I think there is a very good chance he had a "major" role in 9/11. as well as other attacks. but fair enough, at least you arent like kabong who thinks he is innocent becuase we werent in the room when he confessed.
an overstatement? barely. I think there is a very good chance he had a "major" role in 9/11. as well as other attacks. but fair enough, at least you arent like kabong who thinks he is innocent becuase we werent in the room when he confessed.
i don't know what he is, i do know this is not proof of anything, especially from someone tortured relayed from the pentagon
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
convince myself of what? that this guy actually had something to do with 9/11? he did.
do you think he is innocent?
how do you know?
do you think he was the mastermind?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you dont know what he is? you have read or seen ZERO evidence that he is involved in terror activies? you dont know? unbelievable.
god damn, i was refering to whether he was guilty of and the mastermind behind 9/11, do i have to spell everything out for you??
i think he was a bad man, there, that's out of the way
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
jlew and bu2, where have i said anywhere whether or not he was a terrorist? in fact i've already said i know he was a bad guy. what i was trying to discuss was this thread and the title of it "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses to being mastermind of 9/11"
not if he was a terrorist. just b/c he was terrorist doesn't mean he was the 'mastermind'
what if there was a tape of an american tortured saying he knows for a fact iraq was invaded for oil, or 9/11 was an inside job...would you believe it? no, you'd say 'he was tortured, ppl will say anything!!!' and you would be right
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
because that's what my exact argument is as well. I don't think at all that he was the mastermind, I think his being tortured and in our government's hands says a LOT here!
El Shieky is just another fall guy like Scooter...
there will be more
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
El Shieky is just another fall guy like Scooter...
there will be more
Can someone photoshop the pictures of El Shieky and Scooter to switch them around?
I have become so disenchanted with Republicans, it just isn't funny anymore (unlike Jlew and Gue...or is it Geu?...now those two are fun to watch, heh heh). I can't believe anything that Tony Snow says anymore and I find myself cringing every time Cheney and Bush open their mouths. The sad part is, if Billary or Edwards were to win the Democratic nomination I don't think any of this would change. We'd just have new faces to laugh at when we watch the news in 2009.
The establishment is just that.
So when they feed us these "victorious" little news bits, and expect us to clap our hands and ooh and ahh, forgive me for not jumping up and down and getting all happy.
because that's what my exact argument is as well. I don't think at all that he was the mastermind, I think his being tortured and in our government's hands says a LOT here!
my apologies, i thought that wikipedia comment was directed at me w/ jlew making things up and attributing them to me n all
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Can someone photoshop the pictures of El Shieky and Scooter to switch them around?
I have become so disenchanted with Republicans, it just isn't funny anymore (unlike Jlew and Gue...or is it Geu?...now those two are fun to watch, heh heh). I can't believe anything that Tony Snow says anymore and I find myself cringing every time Cheney and Bush open their mouths. The sad part is, if Billary or Edwards were to win the Democratic nomination I don't think any of this would change. We'd just have new faces to laugh at when we watch the news in 2009.
The establishment is just that.
So when they feed us these "victorious" little news bits, and expect us to clap our hands and ooh and ahh, forgive me for not jumping up and down and getting all happy.
yes, we are on the same page
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I wasn't directing my wikipedia comment to you. It was to anyone who reads this thread, in general, without doing their homework. And I know you do your homework.
I wasn't directing my wikipedia comment to you. It was to anyone who reads this thread, in general, without doing their homework. And I know you do your homework.
thank you
and jlew, here is some homework for you in regards to 9/11:
Alleged connection to 9/11
On October 6, 2001, a senior-level U.S. government official told CNN that U.S. investigators had discovered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (Sheik Syed), using the alias "Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad" had sent about $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohammed Atta. "Investigators said Atta then distributed the funds to conspirators in Florida in the weeks before the deadliest acts of terrorism on U.S. soil that destroyed the World Trade Center, heavily damaged the Pentagon and left thousands dead. In addition, sources have said Atta sent thousands of dollars -- believed to be excess funds from the operation -- back to Saeed in the United Arab Emirates in the days before September 11. CNN later confirmed this. [2]
The 9/11 Commission's Final Report states that the source of the funds "remains unknown."
More than a month after the money transfer was discovered, the head of ISI, General Mehmood Ahmed resigned from his position. [It was reported that the FBI was investigating the possibility that Gen. Ahmed ordered Saeed Sheikh to send the $100,000 to Atta [3]; there were also claims that Indian intelligence had already produced proof for the Pakistani administration that this was so. [4]
The Wall Street Journal was one of the only Western news organizations to follow up on the story, citing the Times of India: "US authorities sought [Gen. Mehmood Ahmed's] removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 [was] wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mehmood."[5] Another Indian newspaper, the Daily Excelsior, quoting FBI sources, reported that the "FBI’s examination of the hard disk of the cellphone company Omar Sheikh had subscribed to led to the discovery of the "link" between him and the deposed chief of the Pakistani ISI, Gen. Mehmood Ahmed. And as the FBI investigators delved deep, sensational reports surfaced with regard to the transfer of 100,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta, one of the kamikaze pilots who flew his Boeing into the World Trade Centre. Gen. Mehmood Ahmed, the FBI investigators found, fully knew about the transfer of money to Atta."[6]
The Pittsburgh Tribune notes that "There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA."[7]
Sheikh rose to prominence with the 2002 killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who at the time was in Pakistan investigating connnections between the ISI and Islamic militant groups. In Pakistan, Sheikh was sentenced to death for killing Pearl, however his complicity in the execution and the reasons behind it are in dispute.
A Wall Street Journal review of Bernard-Henri Levy's book “Who Killed Daniel Pearl?” notes, “It is a fact that Gen. Mehmood Ahmed, then head of the ISI, wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta before 9/11 through an intermediary."[8]
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If you were being tortured your "out" would be Santa???
Oh Hell...I'd admit to being Santa in a second. Everyone fucking loves Santa.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If you were being tortured your "out" would be Santa???
Oh Hell...I'd admit to being Santa in a second. Everyone fucking loves Santa.
Hehe. I guess Santa was just the first phantom that came to mind. Just trying to show Jlew that info from torture is useless, but he doesnt want to believe this -- the great Bush and Co. told him this was true and he wants so badly to believe it. I'd feel bad for him but he has shown himself to be completely unlikeable so I really dont care. Kinda funny but scary that people like him vote.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Hehe. I guess Santa was just the first phantom that came to mind. Just trying to show Jlew that info from torture is useless, but he doesnt want to believe this -- the great Bush and Co. told him this was true and he wants so badly to believe it. I'd feel bad for him but he has shown himself to be completely unlikeable so I really dont care. Kinda funny but scary that people like him vote.
Makes me want to watch Resevoir Dogs again.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I just finished reading the transcript of the hearing...this guy says hes responsible for essentially every single freaking terrorist attack for the past 15 years!!!
I mean all of them.
WTF!??!?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I just finished reading the transcript of the hearing...this guy says hes responsible for essentially every single freaking terrorist attack for the past 15 years!!!
I mean all of them.
WTF!??!?
It's amazing what toture can do!
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
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you and me both
somehow my gender makes a difference? add to the discussion or stop posting in my thread
i don't know what he is, i do know this is not proof of anything, especially from someone tortured relayed from the pentagon
maybe we should actually try looking for him
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
convince myself of what? that this guy actually had something to do with 9/11? he did.
do you think he is innocent?
how do you know?
do you think he was the mastermind?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you dont know what he is? you have read or seen ZERO evidence that he is involved in terror activies? you dont know? unbelievable.
LOL.
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god damn, i was refering to whether he was guilty of and the mastermind behind 9/11, do i have to spell everything out for you??
i think he was a bad man, there, that's out of the way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2811855.stm
http://www.saag.org/papers7/paper620.html
maybe, maybe not. a major role? yes, absoultely
As for Jlew and Que or whatever your names are, you're both making me giggle big-time. It's really almost cute. Like Abbot and Costello, you are.
Hitler v.s. Jesus with a surprise chair attack from Gandhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01USG9xpnhE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Ffuctover
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
jlew and bu2, where have i said anywhere whether or not he was a terrorist? in fact i've already said i know he was a bad guy. what i was trying to discuss was this thread and the title of it "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses to being mastermind of 9/11"
not if he was a terrorist. just b/c he was terrorist doesn't mean he was the 'mastermind'
what if there was a tape of an american tortured saying he knows for a fact iraq was invaded for oil, or 9/11 was an inside job...would you believe it? no, you'd say 'he was tortured, ppl will say anything!!!' and you would be right
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
there will be more
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Can someone photoshop the pictures of El Shieky and Scooter to switch them around?
I have become so disenchanted with Republicans, it just isn't funny anymore (unlike Jlew and Gue...or is it Geu?...now those two are fun to watch, heh heh). I can't believe anything that Tony Snow says anymore and I find myself cringing every time Cheney and Bush open their mouths. The sad part is, if Billary or Edwards were to win the Democratic nomination I don't think any of this would change. We'd just have new faces to laugh at when we watch the news in 2009.
The establishment is just that.
So when they feed us these "victorious" little news bits, and expect us to clap our hands and ooh and ahh, forgive me for not jumping up and down and getting all happy.
my apologies, i thought that wikipedia comment was directed at me w/ jlew making things up and attributing them to me n all
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes, we are on the same page
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
thank you
and jlew, here is some homework for you in regards to 9/11:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Omar_Saeed_Sheikh#Alleged_connection_to_9.2F11
Alleged connection to 9/11
On October 6, 2001, a senior-level U.S. government official told CNN that U.S. investigators had discovered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (Sheik Syed), using the alias "Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad" had sent about $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohammed Atta. "Investigators said Atta then distributed the funds to conspirators in Florida in the weeks before the deadliest acts of terrorism on U.S. soil that destroyed the World Trade Center, heavily damaged the Pentagon and left thousands dead. In addition, sources have said Atta sent thousands of dollars -- believed to be excess funds from the operation -- back to Saeed in the United Arab Emirates in the days before September 11. CNN later confirmed this. [2]
The 9/11 Commission's Final Report states that the source of the funds "remains unknown."
More than a month after the money transfer was discovered, the head of ISI, General Mehmood Ahmed resigned from his position. [It was reported that the FBI was investigating the possibility that Gen. Ahmed ordered Saeed Sheikh to send the $100,000 to Atta [3]; there were also claims that Indian intelligence had already produced proof for the Pakistani administration that this was so. [4]
The Wall Street Journal was one of the only Western news organizations to follow up on the story, citing the Times of India: "US authorities sought [Gen. Mehmood Ahmed's] removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 [was] wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mehmood."[5] Another Indian newspaper, the Daily Excelsior, quoting FBI sources, reported that the "FBI’s examination of the hard disk of the cellphone company Omar Sheikh had subscribed to led to the discovery of the "link" between him and the deposed chief of the Pakistani ISI, Gen. Mehmood Ahmed. And as the FBI investigators delved deep, sensational reports surfaced with regard to the transfer of 100,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta, one of the kamikaze pilots who flew his Boeing into the World Trade Centre. Gen. Mehmood Ahmed, the FBI investigators found, fully knew about the transfer of money to Atta."[6]
The Pittsburgh Tribune notes that "There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA."[7]
Sheikh rose to prominence with the 2002 killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who at the time was in Pakistan investigating connnections between the ISI and Islamic militant groups. In Pakistan, Sheikh was sentenced to death for killing Pearl, however his complicity in the execution and the reasons behind it are in dispute.
A Wall Street Journal review of Bernard-Henri Levy's book “Who Killed Daniel Pearl?” notes, “It is a fact that Gen. Mehmood Ahmed, then head of the ISI, wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta before 9/11 through an intermediary."[8]
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If you were being tortured your "out" would be Santa???
Oh Hell...I'd admit to being Santa in a second. Everyone fucking loves Santa.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Hehe. I guess Santa was just the first phantom that came to mind. Just trying to show Jlew that info from torture is useless, but he doesnt want to believe this -- the great Bush and Co. told him this was true and he wants so badly to believe it. I'd feel bad for him but he has shown himself to be completely unlikeable so I really dont care. Kinda funny but scary that people like him vote.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Makes me want to watch Resevoir Dogs again.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I mean all of them.
WTF!??!?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's amazing what toture can do!
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fuck america. 9/11 was an inside job!!!! long live Osama!!!