Addicts - probably
Overdoses - maybe
I believe that overdoses are directly related to the illegality of the drug. Prohibition creates an environment where the potency of a drug is unknown to the user, which leads to overdoses.
Either way, I prefer people being able to decide on their own what is best for them rather than a police state with the highest incarceration rate in the world.
OK, whatever...lets meet in the middle and say "drug users."
My point is that the more there is of something, it only stands to reason that the impact of that thing will be felt to a greater degree...prostitution, drugs, guns, gambling whatever it is. If something is illegal, there will always be that element of society that will break the law to do or get what they want and that will never change. Guns are readily available via legal means in Canada, but there's a system in place to control them which I think is enough of a deterrent to the in-betweeners who would like a gun but can't be bothered jumping through the necessary hoops to get one...and it's not a right - you have to apply and be approved (whatever that means).
Ultimately, no matter how illegal guns are, if you want one bad enough you can find one. No law is going to stop that, and unfortunately gun control laws are sold to the people on that exact premise when all it does is creat a huge headache for all the legitimate, responsible owners.
#==(o )
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
spot on dude. look at alcohol prohibition. look what happened. my grandfather made a killing making illegal wiskey. why? because it was illegal; everyone wanted it.
now; for those of you with some common sense:
when alcohol was illegal; it created a black market and didn't curb posession; only increased it.
when drugs became illegal; it created a black market and didn't curb posession; only increased it.
the firearms act of 1968 created a black market and didn't curb posession; only increased it.
i was 12 in 1968 and i remember my dad and his friends saying they had to run out and buy some guns before they're made illegal. the threat of a ban caused a jump in sales. prior to the brady ban; i bought all the assault weapons i could afford. after the ban took effect i sold the PRE-BAN assault weapons for 3 to 4 times what i paid for them.
prior to 1968; gun deaths were nil. we were a civilized society and only sportsmen owned guns. when we finally got a tele in the 60's; i would watch shows like the rifleman; gunsmoke; and other westerns. i recall asking my dad why people don't carry guns anymore and he told me we don't need to anymore. but everything changed in 1968. the government created a black market and now we needed a gun for protection.
Protection from who/what?
#==(o )
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
why tree hugging anti-Vietnam protesting drugged out hippies of course :P
"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates
let me explain.
without a black market; you have control. a gunshop owner would not sell a gun to a 14 year old. a hood on the street will. i had a kid (about 18 years old) try to sell me a ruger .44 magnum for $50.00.
so when a black market is created; the item; whatever it is; is everywhere. be it drugs; guns; or anything else.
now; if a 16 year old has the oppertunity to buy a gun for $50.00; do you think he will? so we need to protect ourselves from the people the black market sells to.
i carry a gun because i was held at gunpoint 7 years ago. i had the barrel of a 20 gauge shotgun held between my eyes. my gun was 25 yards away because this happened on my own property.
so those are the people i need to protect myself from. oh; btw; when i called the sheriff; he asked if anyone was shot. i said no so they took the report over the phone. you see; that particular property was in the bradshaw mountains and you 1) needed a 4 WD to get there; and 2) it takes the sheriff over 3 hours to get there.
so while you may live in some dream world somewhere; some of us still need guns because we live where there is no law.
are constantly bombarded by fear mongering politicians and people in power and many can't see through this bs. They go out and arm themselves. Then they're not capable of securing their weapons so criminals have a constant stream of weapons...kinda ironic.
Its not a coincidence that these same people are the ones that were duped by current administration...."drilling for fear makes the job simple".
If we just look at our murders per capita compared to other western countries in this world its pretty clear, not debatable....
are constantly bombarded by fear mongering politicians and people in power and many can't see through the bs. They go out and arm themselves, course they're not capable of securing their weapons so criminals have constant stream of weapons...kina ironic.
Its not a coincidence that those that are sooo fearful are the same ones that were duped by current administration...."drilling for fear makes the job simple".
If we just look at our murders per capita compared to other western countries in this world its pretty clear, not debatable....
you live in a border state so i'm surprised at your post. in arizona the news is peppered with stories of busts made where fully automatic weapons are seized coming over the border. they are open bolt copies of the cobray m/10. a drug cartel set up a manufacturing plant to make them. i myself have made a couple guns and i've made my own black powder. every gardener has the 3 ingredients needed. if fact; what was the OK city bombing bomb made of???
you can ban legal guns but unless you can remove the technology from every human being; you'll never get rid of guns. they are here to stay. legally or illegally.
you live in a border state so i'm surprised at your post. in arizona the news is peppered with stories of busts made where fully automatic weapons are seized coming over the border. they are open bolt copies of the cobray m/10. a drug cartel set up a manufacturing plant to make them. i myself have made a couple guns and i've made my own black powder. every gardener has the 3 ingredients needed. if fact; what was the OK city bombing bomb made of???
you can ban legal guns but unless you can remove the technology from every human being; you'll never get rid of guns. they are here to stay. legally or illegally.
I live downtown Houston......just not fearful..and hence don't have this NEED to have a gun. If someone wants my sh*t they can have it......if they were intent on killing me my having a gun wouldn't make a difference...and I don't really want to carry a gun on my 24-7 anyway. You have fear...I don't.
And whats up with the border thing anyway....I find Hispanics to be some of the nicest freindliest honest law abiding people....oh I may have members of Al Quida slipping in.....ooooooh....I should be scared.
let me explain.
without a black market; you have control. a gunshop owner would not sell a gun to a 14 year old. a hood on the street will. i had a kid (about 18 years old) try to sell me a ruger .44 magnum for $50.00.
so when a black market is created; the item; whatever it is; is everywhere. be it drugs; guns; or anything else.
now; if a 16 year old has the oppertunity to buy a gun for $50.00; do you think he will? so we need to protect ourselves from the people the black market sells to.
i carry a gun because i was held at gunpoint 7 years ago. i had the barrel of a 20 gauge shotgun held between my eyes. my gun was 25 yards away because this happened on my own property.
so those are the people i need to protect myself from. oh; btw; when i called the sheriff; he asked if anyone was shot. i said no so they took the report over the phone. you see; that particular property was in the bradshaw mountains and you 1) needed a 4 WD to get there; and 2) it takes the sheriff over 3 hours to get there.
so while you may live in some dream world somewhere; some of us still need guns because we live where there is no law.
You're right about the black market thing, no doubt. I get all that.
But you own 30 guns, yet they didn't even offer you the protection you claim you need them for when you needed them the most. What does that tell you? It completely crushes the "self protection" argument. The big moment came for you and you weren't "protected."
#==(o )
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
why tree hugging anti-Vietnam protesting drugged out hippies of course :P
Ha, yeah...forgot about them.
#==(o )
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
You're right about the black market thing, no doubt. I get all that.
But you own 30 guns, yet they didn't even offer you the protection you claim you need them for when you needed them the most. What does that tell you? It completely crushes the "self protection" argument. The big moment came for you and you weren't "protected."
i think it made the point.
1) a gun locked in a safe is useless.
2) people feel safe in their homes so they let their guard down.
other historical examples from the same time period:
KGB spies posing as the Cleavers next door
the Hell's Angels (into both drugs and guns, the worst of which was in Montreal)
a Cuban Invasion (post nuclear holocaust)
all reasonable reasons to own guns in the late 1960's for self defense.
"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates
I live downtown Houston......just not fearful..and hence don't have this NEED to have a gun. If someone wants my sh*t they can have it......if they were intent on killing me my having a gun wouldn't make a difference...and I don't really want to carry a gun on my 24-7 anyway. You have fear...I don't.
And whats up with the border thing anyway....I find Hispanics to be some of the nicest freindliest honest law abiding people....oh I may have members of Al Quida slipping in.....ooooooh....I should be scared.
i think hispanics are some of the nicest people too. but i also have a grip on reality. who is bringing the drugs into this country and destroying our economy and children? i had a friend whose brother was running drugs for the colombian cartel. when he got busted they killed his kid to send the message he better not talk. i'll pm you his name and the city and everything else you need to verify this if you want.
i think it made the point.
1) a gun locked in a safe is useless.
2) people feel safe in their homes so they let their guard down.
OK so based on those two statements, because sometimes people are held at gunpoint by violent criminals, prople should have a gun on their person at all times in order to feel safe? That is just plain nuts.
#==(o )
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
Honestly, I see both sides...but don't buy into the banning of guns nor do I buy the bullshit line that "guns don't kill people, blah blah blah"...
I'm in the middle...if someone wants to own a gun, make it damn hard to do so...
and the wild, wild west argument is the beautiful...more guns will lead to less violence...haaaa haaa haaaaaa....that's some funny shit...
why not check the stats for the states that allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. if a criminal THINKS you have a gun; he'll pass you by to find a helpless victim. better yet; compare stats for the cities in northern illinois that banned guns. phoenix has a large number of seniors and crimes against seniors was rampant. when the concealed weapons law went into effect; 65000 seniors armed themselves and crimes against seniors dropped dramatically.
i live in the wild west. it's still 1885 where i live. everyone carries a gun. my ranch is miles from any power grid access or land line phone. there are thousands of us hippies here. we use solar power and satellites for access to the outside world. there is no crime here. no police; no EMT services; no paved roads; no fire services; or anything else the government promises us in exchange for our taxes. my nevada ranch is a pony express stagecoach stop. it's a 30 minute drive to find any human life.
just because guns may be outdated where you live; doesn't mean they're outdated in other areas.
OK so based on those two statements, because sometimes people are held at gunpoint by violent criminals, prople should have a gun on their person at all times in order to feel safe? That is just plain nuts.
before i sold that property; i was held at gunpoint several times. that property was the only access for ATVs to get to thousands of acres of BLM land. pristine land rich in gold. EVERY wash would yield gold. the property was surrounded by cliffs on 3 sides and my log home was on top of the mountain. i fenced the property and got a lot of ATV riders mad. after that; everyone coming onto the property was met with a gun. when i rode fences i carried because of rattlesnakes and mountain lions. ever see a mountain lion rip the face off a horse? i have.
do i carry 24/7. nope. i'm aware of what's happening around me and i adjust to the situation. i don't carry when i go to town anymore because there's always someone with a gun to protect me and everyone else. i'll carry when i go to pheonix but that's been once in the past 18 months.
people that carry guns don't carry 24/7. they carry ONLY when the situation calls for it.
why not check the stats for the states that allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. if a criminal THINKS you have a gun; he'll pass you by to find a helpless victim. better yet; compare stats for the cities in northern illinois that banned guns. phoenix has a large number of seniors and crimes against seniors was rampant. when the concealed weapons law went into effect; 65000 seniors armed themselves and crimes against seniors dropped dramatically.
i live in the wild west. it's still 1885 where i live. everyone carries a gun. my ranch is miles from any power grid access or land line phone. there are thousands of us hippies here. we use solar power and satellites for access to the outside world. there is no crime here. no police; no EMT services; no paved roads; no fire services; or anything else the government promises us in exchange for our taxes. my nevada ranch is a pony express stagecoach stop. it's a 30 minute drive to find any human life.
just because guns may be outdated where you live; doesn't mean they're outdated in other areas.
oh yeah, well I know a guy, who knows a guy, who's brother's sister's mailman told her that he knew a fella who had a gun as was still mugged....thankfully all they got was his watch, wallet and shoes....they hit him in the noggin when he wasn't looking....
oh yeah, well I know a guy, who knows a guy, who's brother's sister's mailman told her that he knew a fella who had a gun as was still mugged....thankfully all they got was his watch, wallet and shoes....they hit him in the noggin when he wasn't looking....
and i believe that. an armed citizen will not stop crime. nothing will. crime has been with us since cane and able. but a citizen with a gun will deter crime.
stats have proven that. which is why 23 states allow you to carry.
and i believe that. an armed citizen will not stop crime. nothing will. crime has been with us since cane and able. but a citizen with a gun will deter crime.
stats have proven that. which is why 23 states allow you to carry.
I'm guessing the gun lobby and the fact guns are a billion dollar industry have more to do with those laws....
he's looking at gun crime stats and ignoring the overall crime stats. crime went up. stabbing deaths went up. once guns were banned the criminals had a field day because they could break into a house knowing they won't be confronted by an armed citizen.
the queen didn't remove crime; only her citizens ability to defend themselves.
with all due respect, where can I find this information...?
i heard it from a friend of 30+ years that lived in wisconsin until last year. i believe it was the last general election and i'll email him now to see if he has any information. when i get a few minutes i'll look around the web to see where i can find election information. he's anti hand gun and would rant about it constantly.
he's looking at gun crime stats and ignoring the overall crime stats. crime went up. stabbing deaths went up. once guns were banned the criminals had a field day because they could break into a house knowing they won't be confronted by an armed citizen.
the queen didn't remove crime; only her citizens ability to defend themselves.
Amen to that!!
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
with all due respect, where can I find this information...?
IT PASSED BOTH HOUSES!!!! Then the fucking hippie pinko commie uberliberal governer of ours VETOED IT! It went to an override vote and fell short by 2 votes of a two-thirds majority in the House.
i'm more than happy americans like shooting each other and allowing geeks who get bullied by sport jocks the opportunity to waste 30+ lives in one day... its the sensible approach as it reduces the surplus population... and i believe it was Jesus..or maybe it was Walt Disney.... who said "shoot each other to death fat americans and heaven awaits... free tacos to the best mess of a kids face"...
keep on shooting each other.... funeral parlours need the income
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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OK, whatever...lets meet in the middle and say "drug users."
My point is that the more there is of something, it only stands to reason that the impact of that thing will be felt to a greater degree...prostitution, drugs, guns, gambling whatever it is. If something is illegal, there will always be that element of society that will break the law to do or get what they want and that will never change. Guns are readily available via legal means in Canada, but there's a system in place to control them which I think is enough of a deterrent to the in-betweeners who would like a gun but can't be bothered jumping through the necessary hoops to get one...and it's not a right - you have to apply and be approved (whatever that means).
Ultimately, no matter how illegal guns are, if you want one bad enough you can find one. No law is going to stop that, and unfortunately gun control laws are sold to the people on that exact premise when all it does is creat a huge headache for all the legitimate, responsible owners.
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
Protection from who/what?
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
— Socrates
let me explain.
without a black market; you have control. a gunshop owner would not sell a gun to a 14 year old. a hood on the street will. i had a kid (about 18 years old) try to sell me a ruger .44 magnum for $50.00.
so when a black market is created; the item; whatever it is; is everywhere. be it drugs; guns; or anything else.
now; if a 16 year old has the oppertunity to buy a gun for $50.00; do you think he will? so we need to protect ourselves from the people the black market sells to.
i carry a gun because i was held at gunpoint 7 years ago. i had the barrel of a 20 gauge shotgun held between my eyes. my gun was 25 yards away because this happened on my own property.
so those are the people i need to protect myself from. oh; btw; when i called the sheriff; he asked if anyone was shot. i said no so they took the report over the phone. you see; that particular property was in the bradshaw mountains and you 1) needed a 4 WD to get there; and 2) it takes the sheriff over 3 hours to get there.
so while you may live in some dream world somewhere; some of us still need guns because we live where there is no law.
Its not a coincidence that these same people are the ones that were duped by current administration...."drilling for fear makes the job simple".
If we just look at our murders per capita compared to other western countries in this world its pretty clear, not debatable....
you live in a border state so i'm surprised at your post. in arizona the news is peppered with stories of busts made where fully automatic weapons are seized coming over the border. they are open bolt copies of the cobray m/10. a drug cartel set up a manufacturing plant to make them. i myself have made a couple guns and i've made my own black powder. every gardener has the 3 ingredients needed. if fact; what was the OK city bombing bomb made of???
you can ban legal guns but unless you can remove the technology from every human being; you'll never get rid of guns. they are here to stay. legally or illegally.
And whats up with the border thing anyway....I find Hispanics to be some of the nicest freindliest honest law abiding people....oh I may have members of Al Quida slipping in.....ooooooh....I should be scared.
You're right about the black market thing, no doubt. I get all that.
But you own 30 guns, yet they didn't even offer you the protection you claim you need them for when you needed them the most. What does that tell you? It completely crushes the "self protection" argument. The big moment came for you and you weren't "protected."
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
Ha, yeah...forgot about them.
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
i think it made the point.
1) a gun locked in a safe is useless.
2) people feel safe in their homes so they let their guard down.
KGB spies posing as the Cleavers next door
the Hell's Angels (into both drugs and guns, the worst of which was in Montreal)
a Cuban Invasion (post nuclear holocaust)
all reasonable reasons to own guns in the late 1960's for self defense.
— Socrates
Honestly, I see both sides...but don't buy into the banning of guns nor do I buy the bullshit line that "guns don't kill people, blah blah blah"...
I'm in the middle...if someone wants to own a gun, make it damn hard to do so...
and the wild, wild west argument is the beautiful...more guns will lead to less violence...haaaa haaa haaaaaa....that's some funny shit...
i think hispanics are some of the nicest people too. but i also have a grip on reality. who is bringing the drugs into this country and destroying our economy and children? i had a friend whose brother was running drugs for the colombian cartel. when he got busted they killed his kid to send the message he better not talk. i'll pm you his name and the city and everything else you need to verify this if you want.
OK so based on those two statements, because sometimes people are held at gunpoint by violent criminals, prople should have a gun on their person at all times in order to feel safe? That is just plain nuts.
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
why not check the stats for the states that allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. if a criminal THINKS you have a gun; he'll pass you by to find a helpless victim. better yet; compare stats for the cities in northern illinois that banned guns. phoenix has a large number of seniors and crimes against seniors was rampant. when the concealed weapons law went into effect; 65000 seniors armed themselves and crimes against seniors dropped dramatically.
i live in the wild west. it's still 1885 where i live. everyone carries a gun. my ranch is miles from any power grid access or land line phone. there are thousands of us hippies here. we use solar power and satellites for access to the outside world. there is no crime here. no police; no EMT services; no paved roads; no fire services; or anything else the government promises us in exchange for our taxes. my nevada ranch is a pony express stagecoach stop. it's a 30 minute drive to find any human life.
just because guns may be outdated where you live; doesn't mean they're outdated in other areas.
before i sold that property; i was held at gunpoint several times. that property was the only access for ATVs to get to thousands of acres of BLM land. pristine land rich in gold. EVERY wash would yield gold. the property was surrounded by cliffs on 3 sides and my log home was on top of the mountain. i fenced the property and got a lot of ATV riders mad. after that; everyone coming onto the property was met with a gun. when i rode fences i carried because of rattlesnakes and mountain lions. ever see a mountain lion rip the face off a horse? i have.
do i carry 24/7. nope. i'm aware of what's happening around me and i adjust to the situation. i don't carry when i go to town anymore because there's always someone with a gun to protect me and everyone else. i'll carry when i go to pheonix but that's been once in the past 18 months.
people that carry guns don't carry 24/7. they carry ONLY when the situation calls for it.
oh yeah, well I know a guy, who knows a guy, who's brother's sister's mailman told her that he knew a fella who had a gun as was still mugged....thankfully all they got was his watch, wallet and shoes....they hit him in the noggin when he wasn't looking....
and i believe that. an armed citizen will not stop crime. nothing will. crime has been with us since cane and able. but a citizen with a gun will deter crime.
stats have proven that. which is why 23 states allow you to carry.
I'm guessing the gun lobby and the fact guns are a billion dollar industry have more to do with those laws....
but that's just me....
You have no basis to believe this!
-Enoch Powell
THE PEOPLE VOTED IN THE LAW. it was on the ballot during a general election. do you think the gun lobbists paid off the entire state?
just wondering.
in all 23 states...?
he's looking at gun crime stats and ignoring the overall crime stats. crime went up. stabbing deaths went up. once guns were banned the criminals had a field day because they could break into a house knowing they won't be confronted by an armed citizen.
the queen didn't remove crime; only her citizens ability to defend themselves.
YES SIR! in fact; it didn't pass in wisconsin by a narrow margin a couple years back.
with all due respect, where can I find this information...?
i heard it from a friend of 30+ years that lived in wisconsin until last year. i believe it was the last general election and i'll email him now to see if he has any information. when i get a few minutes i'll look around the web to see where i can find election information. he's anti hand gun and would rant about it constantly.
Amen to that!!
-Enoch Powell
IT PASSED BOTH HOUSES!!!! Then the fucking hippie pinko commie uberliberal governer of ours VETOED IT! It went to an override vote and fell short by 2 votes of a two-thirds majority in the House.
Thank jeebus we can still own machine guns ;-)
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=388837
keep on shooting each other.... funeral parlours need the income