The right to bear arms

oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Maybe people should undergo Psychiatric analysis before being allowed to purchase any form of firearm and maybe even be made to demonstrate that they have secure storage facilities, now my little knowledge of American gun laws barely gives me the right to even comment, but as a human who watched the latest college killings unfold with a tear in my eye i do have the right to be concerned about the safety of mine and other peoples children.
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  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    i think we should arm bears.
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    its quite easy to have access to a gun in Ireland, you need Garda (police) clearance for your license, most people who have them are farmers / hunters, but the guns are locked in Gun Lockers for the most of the time, and there isn't a social attitude favoring guns...in fact there was a gun amnesty a year or two ago where thousands of guns were handed over to the Gardai by regular people who didnt want their guns anymore! everybody just gave them up!

    i find it VERY hard to relate to the idea that anyone can just buy a gun.

    cars reference is very true. the difficulty i had getting a full license!

    how many public shootings do there have to be before the rules change?
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.
    You do have to renew pistol permits (licenses), at least in Alabama.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.
    Registration is the first step to total gun confiscation. It happened in Britain and Australia.

    Driving a car is a privelege whereas owning a gun is a basic right ensured by the constitution.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Listening to Europeans talk about gun laws is pretty depressing.

    If one person had a gun in that Virginia Tech building, they could have shot the perp. He killed himself immediately when he discovered that people with guns (i.e. the late arriving police who have no responsibility to protect you individually) were entering the building.

    When you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns.
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  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Listening to Europeans talk about gun laws is pretty depressing.

    If one person had a gun in that Virginia Tech building, they could have shot the perp. He killed himself immediately when he discovered that people with guns (i.e. the late arriving police who have no responsibility to protect you individually) were entering the building.

    When you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns.

    Taking three steps back......
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Taking three steps back......

    Owning a gun is not a step back. It's a step forward.
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  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Owning a gun is not a step back. It's a step forward.

    Step forward to what?

    (This coming from a guy who owns a rifle to hunt)

    The policy of concealed weapons is absurd....
  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    Listening to Europeans talk about gun laws is pretty depressing.

    If one person had a gun in that Virginia Tech building, they could have shot the perp. He killed himself immediately when he discovered that people with guns (i.e. the late arriving police who have no responsibility to protect you individually) were entering the building.

    When you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns.

    hehehe. Gun ownership is doing wonders for protection in Baghdad. Everyone has an AK-47 and yet no one is safe.
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  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.

    Thats how we do it Canada...and guess what I can own a gun easy...I take a course, free registration, finito done I got my gun.....how is that scary??
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Step forward to what?

    (This coming from a guy who owns a rifle to hunt)

    The policy of concealed weapons is absurd....

    No, states that adopted "right to carry" laws experienced a 7%-8% drop in crime the following year, on average.

    When criminals think that potential victims might have a concealed weapon, they are less likely to attempt the crime. Criminals will ALWAYS BE ABLE TO FIND GUNS. This is why citizens MUST be armed. Citizens must also be armed to defend against tyrannical governments.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    hehehe. Gun ownership is doing wonders for protection in Baghdad. Everyone has an AK-47 and yet no one is safe.

    That's not true. Only the insurgents have AK-47s. Worse, they don't fucking know how to operate the weapon.

    Insurgents can intimidate families in Baghdad because the families don't own weapons - Saddam made sure of that.

    The vast majority of weapon owners are law abiding citizens and only 2% of lawfully purchased guns are used in a crime.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    "The number of RTC states is at an all-time high, up from 10 in 1987 to 38 today.8 In 2004, states with RTC laws, compared to other states, had lower violent crime rates on average. Total violent crime was lower by 21%, murder by 28%, robbery by 43%, and aggravated assault by 13%.9"
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    That's not true. Only the insurgents have AK-47s. Worse, they don't fucking know how to operate the weapon.

    Insurgents can intimidate families in Baghdad because the families don't own weapons - Saddam made sure of that.

    The vast majority of weapon owners are law abiding citizens and only 2% of lawfully purchased guns are used in a crime.

    Wrong.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I hate guns. I do not own a gun and have no intention of ever doing so. I am aware that your gun at home is more likely to kill your kid than to kill a criminal.

    I believe the world would be a better place without guns.

    It makes intuitive sense that allowing a whole bunch of artillary/firepower walking around the street with people of varying levels of rationality could be potentially harmful.

    I am also not a fan of the second ammendment. Because, as CorpWhore said, it makes gun ownership a basic right, when I would prefer to see it be a privalege (plus it makes some think that Ammendment #2 assures them the ability to have ANY weapon whether an AK-47, a tank or a missle silo in their yard).

    That's why I was pretty much dragged kicking and screaming to the truth. But the truth is that there has never been a shread of evidence that gun control has been beneficial in terms of crime prevention. Further, statistics have shown zero to 10 (or something) prevent drops in crime in places that allow carrying and no place has ever had violent crime rise after installing such a rule. Yeah, I'd rather treat guns like cars and instill some sense that they should not be treated cavalierly, but other than that, you cannot prove to me that allowing gun carrying creates danger. C'mon anti-gun folks (of which I am one), show the evidence that says that the gun lovers are wrong. You won't find it. Next time someone thinks to victimize me on the street (I don't actually live in this fear, cuz I don't watch local news), I will not be armed, but they may fear that I may be and leave me alone.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.

    illinois has a FOID card that all legal gun owners are supposed to have http://www.isp.state.il.us/media/docdetails.cfm?DocID=38
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  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    doh nevermind

    old data
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    brain of c wrote:
    i think we should arm bears.

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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Wrong.

    You are venturing into waters that you have absolutely no understanding of. Guns are good - people are bad. Simply saying I'm wrong won't cut it, bimbo.

    People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition? The revolutionary war occurred because the colonists were armed.

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    -Sigmund Freud
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    -Sigmund Freud

    A favorite quote of mine! ;)
  • ArmsinaVArmsinaV Posts: 108
    You are venturing into waters that you have absolutely no understanding of. Guns are good - people are bad. Simply saying I'm wrong won't cut it, bimbo.

    People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition? The revolutionary war occurred because the colonists were armed.

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    -Sigmund Freud

    Gun control is a feel-good approach to looking at the world and looking down at those people who do own guns.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    ArmsinaV wrote:
    Gun control is a feel-good approach to looking at the world and looking down at those people who do own guns.

    They like to stereotype the typical gun owner as a gaunt flannel wearer who beats his wife and gets drunk every night.

    Interestingly a sizable percentage of gun owners are women who want to protect themselves in unsafe neighborhoods. It's a crime to tell those women that they can't have a concealed weapon because "they can't be trusted" while politicians who wish to outlaw guns are daily protected by armed guards.
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    You are venturing into waters that you have absolutely no understanding of. Guns are good - people are bad. Simply saying I'm wrong won't cut it, bimbo.

    People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition? The revolutionary war occurred because the colonists were armed.

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    -Sigmund Freud

    I'm all for gun ownership nimrod. I just stated you are wrong about only insurgents having AK's in Baghdad. Try to add comprehension to your reading skills.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    I'm all for gun ownership nimrod. I just stated you are wrong about only insurgents having AK's in Baghdad. Try to add comprehension to your reading skills.

    It's difficult to comprehend statements that were never written down.
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    It's difficult to comprehend statements that were never written down.

    Read post #16 Einstein.
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    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    ArmsinaV wrote:
    Gun control is a feel-good approach to looking at the world and looking down at those people who do own guns.

    Or it can be a start to achieve what we should all look forward : a gun free society. Anyone know why in a country with gun control there is no need to defend yourself against someone armed with a gun?
  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    I'm all for guns in America. Go ahead and everyone kill each other. Guns should be for recreation. It's quite fun to go to a shooting range and unload a few cartridges into a target dummy. The problem is that uneducated folks resort to aggression when they reach a disagreement.

    The right to bear arms was more applicable when you needed them to kill off any natives on the frontier...you know, the folks you stole the land from?
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Read post #16 Einstein.

    "Wrong" does not constitute an argument.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Maybe people should undergo Psychiatric analysis before being allowed to purchase any form of firearm and maybe even be made to demonstrate that they have secure storage facilities, now my little knowledge of American gun laws barely gives me the right to even comment, but as a human who watched the latest college killings unfold with a tear in my eye i do have the right to be concerned about the safety of mine and other peoples children.

    that shouldn't stop at gun purchaces. a psyciatric evaluation should be done for drivers licenses and redone every time the license is renewed. this should include a screen to see if the licensee is prone to alcoholism. since graduating high school 32 years ago; i've lost at least 50 close classmates due to drunk drivers. i didn't realize it until i got my school alumni directory 2 months ago and saw the list of the deceased alumni.
    when you come to the table with an open mind; you DO have a right to comment. the problem i see is that everyone has some degree of mental illness. i've never heard of anyone walking into a shrinks office and being sent home because they're perfect. so an acceptable level of mental illness must be established.
    next; the problem isn't with guns bought legally most of the time. there hasn't been a crime committed with a legal "machine" gun since 1934. (per the FBI); yet thousands pour accross the border illegally daily. i had the chance to buy a fully automatic FAL (swedish maybe?) which was legally brought into the country but the importer missed changing the sear to make it semi automatic.
    the gun control act of 1968 created a black market for guns and that's when guns started flooding the streets of america. everyone wants something they're not suppose to have. the same thing happened with the drug control act of 1937.
    my concealed weapons permit expires every 5 years and i must take a class; qualify at the range; and submit my fingerprints to the FBI for a background check to renew it.
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