The right to bear arms

oil alternative
oil alternative Posts: 192
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Maybe people should undergo Psychiatric analysis before being allowed to purchase any form of firearm and maybe even be made to demonstrate that they have secure storage facilities, now my little knowledge of American gun laws barely gives me the right to even comment, but as a human who watched the latest college killings unfold with a tear in my eye i do have the right to be concerned about the safety of mine and other peoples children.
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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.
  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    i think we should arm bears.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • JordyWordy
    JordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    its quite easy to have access to a gun in Ireland, you need Garda (police) clearance for your license, most people who have them are farmers / hunters, but the guns are locked in Gun Lockers for the most of the time, and there isn't a social attitude favoring guns...in fact there was a gun amnesty a year or two ago where thousands of guns were handed over to the Gardai by regular people who didnt want their guns anymore! everybody just gave them up!

    i find it VERY hard to relate to the idea that anyone can just buy a gun.

    cars reference is very true. the difficulty i had getting a full license!

    how many public shootings do there have to be before the rules change?
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.
    You do have to renew pistol permits (licenses), at least in Alabama.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.
    Registration is the first step to total gun confiscation. It happened in Britain and Australia.

    Driving a car is a privelege whereas owning a gun is a basic right ensured by the constitution.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Listening to Europeans talk about gun laws is pretty depressing.

    If one person had a gun in that Virginia Tech building, they could have shot the perp. He killed himself immediately when he discovered that people with guns (i.e. the late arriving police who have no responsibility to protect you individually) were entering the building.

    When you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns.
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Listening to Europeans talk about gun laws is pretty depressing.

    If one person had a gun in that Virginia Tech building, they could have shot the perp. He killed himself immediately when he discovered that people with guns (i.e. the late arriving police who have no responsibility to protect you individually) were entering the building.

    When you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns.

    Taking three steps back......
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Taking three steps back......

    Owning a gun is not a step back. It's a step forward.
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Owning a gun is not a step back. It's a step forward.

    Step forward to what?

    (This coming from a guy who owns a rifle to hunt)

    The policy of concealed weapons is absurd....
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Listening to Europeans talk about gun laws is pretty depressing.

    If one person had a gun in that Virginia Tech building, they could have shot the perp. He killed himself immediately when he discovered that people with guns (i.e. the late arriving police who have no responsibility to protect you individually) were entering the building.

    When you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns.

    hehehe. Gun ownership is doing wonders for protection in Baghdad. Everyone has an AK-47 and yet no one is safe.
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.

    Thats how we do it Canada...and guess what I can own a gun easy...I take a course, free registration, finito done I got my gun.....how is that scary??
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Step forward to what?

    (This coming from a guy who owns a rifle to hunt)

    The policy of concealed weapons is absurd....

    No, states that adopted "right to carry" laws experienced a 7%-8% drop in crime the following year, on average.

    When criminals think that potential victims might have a concealed weapon, they are less likely to attempt the crime. Criminals will ALWAYS BE ABLE TO FIND GUNS. This is why citizens MUST be armed. Citizens must also be armed to defend against tyrannical governments.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    hehehe. Gun ownership is doing wonders for protection in Baghdad. Everyone has an AK-47 and yet no one is safe.

    That's not true. Only the insurgents have AK-47s. Worse, they don't fucking know how to operate the weapon.

    Insurgents can intimidate families in Baghdad because the families don't own weapons - Saddam made sure of that.

    The vast majority of weapon owners are law abiding citizens and only 2% of lawfully purchased guns are used in a crime.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    "The number of RTC states is at an all-time high, up from 10 in 1987 to 38 today.8 In 2004, states with RTC laws, compared to other states, had lower violent crime rates on average. Total violent crime was lower by 21%, murder by 28%, robbery by 43%, and aggravated assault by 13%.9"
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    That's not true. Only the insurgents have AK-47s. Worse, they don't fucking know how to operate the weapon.

    Insurgents can intimidate families in Baghdad because the families don't own weapons - Saddam made sure of that.

    The vast majority of weapon owners are law abiding citizens and only 2% of lawfully purchased guns are used in a crime.

    Wrong.
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I hate guns. I do not own a gun and have no intention of ever doing so. I am aware that your gun at home is more likely to kill your kid than to kill a criminal.

    I believe the world would be a better place without guns.

    It makes intuitive sense that allowing a whole bunch of artillary/firepower walking around the street with people of varying levels of rationality could be potentially harmful.

    I am also not a fan of the second ammendment. Because, as CorpWhore said, it makes gun ownership a basic right, when I would prefer to see it be a privalege (plus it makes some think that Ammendment #2 assures them the ability to have ANY weapon whether an AK-47, a tank or a missle silo in their yard).

    That's why I was pretty much dragged kicking and screaming to the truth. But the truth is that there has never been a shread of evidence that gun control has been beneficial in terms of crime prevention. Further, statistics have shown zero to 10 (or something) prevent drops in crime in places that allow carrying and no place has ever had violent crime rise after installing such a rule. Yeah, I'd rather treat guns like cars and instill some sense that they should not be treated cavalierly, but other than that, you cannot prove to me that allowing gun carrying creates danger. C'mon anti-gun folks (of which I am one), show the evidence that says that the gun lovers are wrong. You won't find it. Next time someone thinks to victimize me on the street (I don't actually live in this fear, cuz I don't watch local news), I will not be armed, but they may fear that I may be and leave me alone.
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Smellyman wrote:
    They should also be required to take gun courses, get a license and then renew their license. In other words just like we do for cars.

    illinois has a FOID card that all legal gun owners are supposed to have http://www.isp.state.il.us/media/docdetails.cfm?DocID=38
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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    doh nevermind

    old data
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    brain of c wrote:
    i think we should arm bears.

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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Wrong.

    You are venturing into waters that you have absolutely no understanding of. Guns are good - people are bad. Simply saying I'm wrong won't cut it, bimbo.

    People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition? The revolutionary war occurred because the colonists were armed.

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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