The right to bear arms

69charger

CorporateWhore wrote:

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

-Sigmund Freud

A favorite quote of mine!

ArmsinaV

CorporateWhore wrote:

You are venturing into waters that you have absolutely no understanding of. Guns are good - people are bad. Simply saying I'm wrong won't cut it, bimbo.

People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition? The revolutionary war occurred because the colonists were armed.

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

-Sigmund Freud

Gun control is a feel-good approach to looking at the world and looking down at those people who do own guns.

CorporateWhore

ArmsinaV wrote:

Gun control is a feel-good approach to looking at the world and looking down at those people who do own guns.

They like to stereotype the typical gun owner as a gaunt flannel wearer who beats his wife and gets drunk every night.

Interestingly a sizable percentage of gun owners are women who want to protect themselves in unsafe neighborhoods. It's a crime to tell those women that they can't have a concealed weapon because "they can't be trusted" while politicians who wish to outlaw guns are daily protected by armed guards.

Rushlimbo

CorporateWhore wrote:

You are venturing into waters that you have absolutely no understanding of. Guns are good - people are bad. Simply saying I'm wrong won't cut it, bimbo.

People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition? The revolutionary war occurred because the colonists were armed.

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

-Sigmund Freud

I'm all for gun ownership nimrod. I just stated you are wrong about only insurgents having AK's in Baghdad. Try to add comprehension to your reading skills.

CorporateWhore

Rushlimbo wrote:

I'm all for gun ownership nimrod. I just stated you are wrong about only insurgents having AK's in Baghdad. Try to add comprehension to your reading skills.

It's difficult to comprehend statements that were never written down.

Rushlimbo

CorporateWhore wrote:

It's difficult to comprehend statements that were never written down.

Read post #16 Einstein.

Kann

ArmsinaV wrote:

Gun control is a feel-good approach to looking at the world and looking down at those people who do own guns.

Or it can be a start to achieve what we should all look forward : a gun free society. Anyone know why in a country with gun control there is no need to defend yourself against someone armed with a gun?

Derrick

I'm all for guns in America. Go ahead and everyone kill each other. Guns should be for recreation. It's quite fun to go to a shooting range and unload a few cartridges into a target dummy. The problem is that uneducated folks resort to aggression when they reach a disagreement.

The right to bear arms was more applicable when you needed them to kill off any natives on the frontier...you know, the folks you stole the land from?

CorporateWhore

Rushlimbo wrote:

Read post #16 Einstein.

"Wrong" does not constitute an argument.

onelongsong

oil alternative wrote:

Maybe people should undergo Psychiatric analysis before being allowed to purchase any form of firearm and maybe even be made to demonstrate that they have secure storage facilities, now my little knowledge of American gun laws barely gives me the right to even comment, but as a human who watched the latest college killings unfold with a tear in my eye i do have the right to be concerned about the safety of mine and other peoples children.

that shouldn't stop at gun purchaces. a psyciatric evaluation should be done for drivers licenses and redone every time the license is renewed. this should include a screen to see if the licensee is prone to alcoholism. since graduating high school 32 years ago; i've lost at least 50 close classmates due to drunk drivers. i didn't realize it until i got my school alumni directory 2 months ago and saw the list of the deceased alumni.
when you come to the table with an open mind; you DO have a right to comment. the problem i see is that everyone has some degree of mental illness. i've never heard of anyone walking into a shrinks office and being sent home because they're perfect. so an acceptable level of mental illness must be established.
next; the problem isn't with guns bought legally most of the time. there hasn't been a crime committed with a legal "machine" gun since 1934. (per the FBI); yet thousands pour accross the border illegally daily. i had the chance to buy a fully automatic FAL (swedish maybe?) which was legally brought into the country but the importer missed changing the sear to make it semi automatic.
the gun control act of 1968 created a black market for guns and that's when guns started flooding the streets of america. everyone wants something they're not suppose to have. the same thing happened with the drug control act of 1937.
my concealed weapons permit expires every 5 years and i must take a class; qualify at the range; and submit my fingerprints to the FBI for a background check to renew it.

CorporateWhore

onelongsong wrote:

that shouldn't stop at gun purchaces. a psyciatric evaluation should be done for drivers licenses and redone every time the license is renewed. this should include a screen to see if the licensee is prone to alcoholism. since graduating high school 32 years ago; i've lost at least 50 close classmates due to drunk drivers. i didn't realize it until i got my school alumni directory 2 months ago and saw the list of the deceased alumni.
when you come to the table with an open mind; you DO have a right to comment. the problem i see is that everyone has some degree of mental illness. i've never heard of anyone walking into a shrinks office and being sent home because they're perfect. so an acceptable level of mental illness must be established.
next; the problem isn't with guns bought legally most of the time. there hasn't been a crime committed with a legal "machine" gun since 1934. (per the FBI); yet thousands pour accross the border illegally daily. i had the chance to buy a fully automatic FAL (swedish maybe?) which was legally brought into the country but the importer missed changing the sear to make it semi automatic.
the gun control act of 1968 created a black market for guns and that's when guns started flooding the streets of america. everyone wants something they're not suppose to have. the same thing happened with the drug control act of 1937.
my concealed weapons permit expires every 5 years and i must take a class; qualify at the range; and submit my fingerprints to the FBI for a background check to renew it.

Do they keep your fingerprints on file and do they know who you are?

onelongsong

CorporateWhore wrote:

Do they keep your fingerprints on file and do they know who you are?

yes; everything is kept in case you commit a crime. you're actually put into the afis database.

CorporateWhore

onelongsong wrote:

yes; everything is kept in case you commit a crime. you're actually put into the afis database.

I don't like that. I don't see any more reason to put a concealed carrier into AFIS than an open carrier. They both have the same likelihood of murdering someone. Guilty until proven innocent.

onelongsong

CorporateWhore wrote:

I don't like that. I don't see any more reason to put a concealed carrier into AFIS than an open carrier. They both have the same likelihood of murdering someone. Guilty until proven innocent.

it's a way to get around the second amendment. you're trading your fingerprints for the right to carry concealed. i don't commit crimes so i don't care if they bronze my fingerprints.

CorporateWhore

onelongsong wrote:

it's a way to get around the second amendment. you're trading your fingerprints for the right to carry concealed. i don't commit crimes so i don't care if they bronze my fingerprints.

Well yeah, but that's like saying that it doesn't matter if the govt monitors my phone calls because I don't commit crimes.

It's the principle of the thing.

Nonetheless, I would give them my finger prints if it meant I could conceal my firearm.

JordyWordy

the reasoning that a criminal wont leave you alone because he may think you dont have a gun is TOTAL HORSESHIT - there are more weapons for people to have than guns

most people who attack you in your home or street where i come from do so with a knife or syringe, who needs a gun to hurt or kill someone?

in ireland most common criminals do not have guns, neither do the everyday citizens. this notion that if guns are illegal criminals will still get them is bullshit...sure they could get them but the HUGE majority of crime is petty crime...and here in a society that is a perfect example of guns not being treated as a right there is no gun problem. of course in a country of 4 or 5 million people you will get several gun related deaths in a year - but they are mainly gang-related ...and why do gangs get guns? from the IRA.

after growing up in a society where guns are associated with terrorism, organized crime, and maybe hunting....i really am hearing things i never thought id hear on this page.

if you want to see what this hypothetical fantasy land is where people dont have guns and cant protect themselves come to ireland, where we all travel in groups for protection and dont go out in the dark

onelongsong

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well yeah, but that's like saying that it doesn't matter if the govt monitors my phone calls because I don't commit crimes.

It's the principle of the thing.

Nonetheless, I would give them my finger prints if it meant I could conceal my firearm.

that's the way i see it too. besides; it's a pain in the arse to carry a gun so all their doing is collecting fingerprints and finding out who owns the guns. OOOpppsss; legal guns. that's what the registration freaks want anyway. 23 states have realized you have to give something in return.

CorporateWhore

JordyWordy wrote:

the reasoning that a criminal wont leave you alone because he may think you dont have a gun is TOTAL HORSESHIT - there are more weapons for people to have than guns

most people who attack you in your home or street where i come from do so with a knife or syringe, who needs a gun to hurt or kill someone?

in ireland most common criminals do not have guns, neither do the everyday citizens. this notion that if guns are illegal criminals will still get them is bullshit...sure they could get them but the HUGE majority of crime is petty crime...and here in a society that is a perfect example of guns not being treated as a right there is no gun problem. of course in a country of 4 or 5 million people you will get several gun related deaths in a year - but they are mainly gang-related ...and why do gangs get guns? from the IRA.

after growing up in a society where guns are associated with terrorism, organized crime, and maybe hunting....i really am hearing things i never thought id hear on this page.

if you want to see what this hypothetical fantasy land is where people dont have guns and cant protect themselves come to ireland, where we all travel in groups for protection and dont go out in the dark

Aye laddy, this is some baffling stuff. I don't know which position you just took.

By the sound of your last paragraph it sounds like you can't walk out at night because the streets are so dangerous. Criminals know that you can't own a gun. What do they have to be afraid of? Nothing. That's why they don't need guns. They could threaten you with a frozen hot dog and they wouldn't need to worry.

onelongsong

JordyWordy wrote:

the reasoning that a criminal wont leave you alone because he may think you dont have a gun is TOTAL HORSESHIT - there are more weapons for people to have than guns

most people who attack you in your home or street where i come from do so with a knife or syringe, who needs a gun to hurt or kill someone?

in ireland most common criminals do not have guns, neither do the everyday citizens. this notion that if guns are illegal criminals will still get them is bullshit...sure they could get them but the HUGE majority of crime is petty crime...and here in a society that is a perfect example of guns not being treated as a right there is no gun problem. of course in a country of 4 or 5 million people you will get several gun related deaths in a year - but they are mainly gang-related ...and why do gangs get guns? from the IRA.

after growing up in a society where guns are associated with terrorism, organized crime, and maybe hunting....i really am hearing things i never thought id hear on this page.

if you want to see what this hypothetical fantasy land is where people dont have guns and cant protect themselves come to ireland, where we all travel in groups for protection and dont go out in the dark

maybe being a bloody island helps keep illegal guns out but the us has 2 open borders where a million people a year waltz over undetected.
and don't fool yourself. if you have drugs; you have guns.
here's a good quote for you:
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." --Adolph Hitler 1935 'Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation) April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann, "Abschied vom Hessenland!"

JordyWordy

CorporateWhore wrote:

People who oppose gun rights also oppose individual liberty because they oppose the means by which we defend our liberty. How can you support my right to speak if you don't think I can defend it with violent opposition?

There are other ways of defending Liberty than through weapons. The idea that individual citizens have "the right to defend their Liberty" sounds dangerously close to "asserting their Liberty over another person" from this conversation....which is not the intention of a right granted under your constitution, and which is not an absolute right either