Here is the proof Dem's

MattyJoe

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Perhaps you should take your Delorean back to the years 2002-2003 McFly.

You know...The good ole' days....When Republicans controlled the Congress, Bush had a boner for war, and Your Maverick McCain was crying De-Regulate!! De-Regulate!! De-Regulate!!

It's no secret that humping the hands of big business Oil and Wall Street has going on far too long.

And before you shit all over my Blue Tie

Let me clarify that the Democrats hands are sticky from this mess as well.

There's no denying that.

But

Half truths, Conservative Talk Points, and Smoke and Mirrors may be fodder for O'Riely's show, or table talk banter at the Hasselback household...

But that shit don't fly here.

See you at the Fish by the Sea.

Heavy.

Good job macho man. There's absolutely no substance to what you just said. Go lift some more weights.

OffHeGoes29

I blame this on the people who think they can walk into a home with shit credit with out regard as if they can pay for a morgage or not. Just like everything in their lives, rack it up on the credit card and worry about it later. If you ask me, people got what they asked for.

Harmony

My deepest apology's to the posters and readers of this thread that I have taken so long to place a follow up post. *rolls eyes*

Just to be upfront (in regards to mammasan's declaration) I am not a republican, nor a died in the wool conservative. I am an independent, have been so all my life since I registered to vote at 18. I have views that are considered far right and views and beliefs that are considered far left. I have voted for republican, democrat, independent, and green party candidates during my life time.

I fined it hysterical how seemingly every time someone espouses a view contrary to the "main stream" of this board the Rush, Hanity, and Bill'o comments are thrown insultingly at posters. Believe it or not people can have views other than your own that are based on heartfelt convictions and inner beliefs formed without listening to talking heads. And you can lump Moreen Dowd, Keith Oberman, ect.. into the same group.

The intolerance some of you have for opposing views has to some degree always astonished me and at the same time I find quite saddening because I expect more from pearl jam fans. Why? I don't know lol. I think today is the first time I have posted on the moving train in over three years.

Now that I have gotten my soliloquy out of the way lets return to the subject at hand.

As was painfully pointed out to all of us by John Murtha, Harry Reid ect.. when the dems regained power and control of both the house and senate they were and continue to be powerless in ending the war. Why?, because they did not have ab filibuster proof majority. Unless you have a filibuster proof majority you are not going to accomplish squat without bipartisan legislation. This has been the situation durring Bush's two terms for both party's.

What the OPs video clearly and quite painfully points out is that the democrats never even acknowledge any problems with either Freddie or Fannie and stood solidly in the way of any intervention, that is till the walls came crumbling down around them. And even when they regained control of the house and senate and were personally chairing these committees they did nothing. According to them, these were solid institutions that were not only doing well but had bright futures.

The democrats paint themselves as the party of the every man/woman. They stick up for and fight for our "ordinary" citizens, the little guy if you will. In the almost two years of chairing these committees and being in control of the business of both the house and the senate where were the alarm bells? Where were the hearings and investigations into this looming crises? Why were they not dragging these institutions before the congress and the American people and giving them hell? Why weren't they shouting from the Capitol steps to the citizens of this country about the corruption, book cooking, predatory lending and looming crises of these institutions?

They certainly had time to call countless hearings upon countless hearings investigating the bush administration in every facet imaginable but nothing in regards to the looming crises that with every passing month was building. Why?

Why is it that even now, after all of that has come to light, there are no calls for investigations and special prosecutors being pushed for and launched by the democrats in congress? The only current investigations that are being carried out are being done outside of congress. Why?

They will put out subpoenas for every lowly Bush aid and adviser but nothing in regards to the biggest financial disaster in our nations history. Why?

And finally why is it that I do not hear Harry Ried and Nacy Pelosi saying its all of our fault, Republicans and Democrats?

The answer to these questions is a plain as the nose on your face and thanks to the op it is before you in streaming color and in their own words.

"i do not understand this 'us' and 'them' mentality. we are ALL americans, it's OUR government, so enough with trying to splinter us further. we need things to unite us...not more divisive BS."

Truer words have never been spoken but sadly for the almost 8 years of Bushes presidency this mindset has only once been implemented by the political party's that control this country and that was during 9/11, and that lasted a few weeks at best. Since then if a rat pisses in your cornflakes it must be George Bushes fault.

Here, before us, we have a scandal that has brought our country's economy to it's knees and because the Democrats are "up to there necks in it" we are now all Americans and it is all our fault. I am by no means questioning the sincerity of the above quote by decides2dream personally just the mindset that alot of liberals are convienently adpoting after blaming Bush and the repuplicans for every thing under the sun for 8 years.


Now, please excuse me while I scurry away to consult with my pundits and personally place a call to Sean Hannity.

brandon10

Harmony wrote:

My deepest apology's to the posters and readers of this thread that I have taken so long to place a follow up post. *rolls eyes*

Just to be upfront (in regards to mammasan's declaration) I am not a republican, nor a died in the wool conservative. I am an independent, have been so all my life since I registered to vote at 18. I have views that are considered far right and views and beliefs that are considered far left. I have voted for republican, democrat, independent, and green party candidates during my life time.

I fined it hysterical how seemingly every time someone espouses a view contrary to the "main stream" of this board the Rush, Hanity, and Bill'o comments are thrown insultingly at posters. Believe it or not people can have views other than your own that are based on heartfelt convictions and inner beliefs formed without listening to talking heads. And you can lump Moreen Dowd, Keith Oberman, ect.. into the same group.

The intolerance some of you have for opposing views has to some degree always astonished me and at the same time I find quite saddening because I expect more from pearl jam fans. Why? I don't know lol. I think today is the first time I have posted on the moving train in over three years.

Now that I have gotten my soliloquy out of the way lets return to the subject at hand.

As was painfully pointed out to all of us by John Murtha, Harry Reid ect.. when the dems regained power and control of both the house and senate they were and continue to be powerless in ending the war. Why?, because they did not have ab filibuster proof majority. Unless you have a filibuster proof majority you are not going to accomplish squat without bipartisan legislation. This has been the situation durring Bush's two terms for both party's.

What the OPs video clearly and quite painfully points out is that the democrats never even acknowledge any problems with either Freddie or Fannie and stood solidly in the way of any intervention, that is till the walls came crumbling down around them. And even when they regained control of the house and senate and were personally chairing these committees they did nothing. According to them, these were solid institutions that were not only doing well but had bright futures.

The democrats paint themselves as the party of the every man/woman. They stick up for and fight for our "ordinary" citizens, the little guy if you will. In the almost two years of chairing these committees and being in control of the business of both the house and the senate where were the alarm bells? Where were the hearings and investigations into this looming crises? Why were they not dragging these institutions before the congress and the American people and giving them hell? Why weren't they shouting from the Capitol steps to the citizens of this country about the corruption, book cooking, predatory lending and looming crises of these institutions?

They certainly had time to call countless hearings upon countless hearings investigating the bush administration in every facet imaginable but nothing in regards to the looming crises that with every passing month was building. Why?

Why is it that even now, after all of that has come to light, there are no calls for investigations and special prosecutors being pushed for and launched by the democrats in congress? The only current investigations that are being carried out are being done outside of congress. Why?

They will put out subpoenas for every lowly Bush aid and adviser but nothing in regards to the biggest financial disaster in our nations history. Why?

And finally why is it that I do not hear Harry Ried and Nacy Pelosi saying its all of our fault, Republicans and Democrats?

The answer to these questions is a plain as the nose on your face and thanks to the op it is before you in streaming color and in their own words.

"i do not understand this 'us' and 'them' mentality. we are ALL americans, it's OUR government, so enough with trying to splinter us further. we need things to unite us...not more divisive BS."

Truer words have never been spoken but sadly for the almost 8 years of Bushes presidency this mindset has only once been implemented by the political party's that control this country and that was during 9/11, and that lasted a few weeks at best. Since then if a rat pisses in your cornflakes it must be George Bushes fault.

Here, before us, we have a scandal that has brought our country's economy to it's knees and because the Democrats are "up to there necks in it" we are now all Americans and it is all our fault. I am by no means questioning the sincerity of the above quote by decides2dream personally just the mindset that alot of liberals are convienently adpoting after blaming Bush and the repuplicans for every thing under the sun for 8 years.


Now, please excuse me while I scurry away to consult with my pundits and personally place a call to Sean Hannity.

Nice post.

But you must admit the first post is misleading. Many Dems are split on this subject. And to show a video of some Dems out of context is only going to divide us all further. I'm sure one could compile a video showing the opposite. But the point is that both parties are at fault. I just saw Dennis Kucinich berating the bail out the other day. The Dems are also divided on this issue. And it is way more complex than just Fannie and Freddie.

Edit: And by out of context, I mean not showing all Dems and GOP that spoke in Congerss during that period.

Commy

blackredyellow wrote:

People like Harmony usually can't because Hannity, Rush and the like never bring up parts where the republicans are at fault as well... It's always the liberals, they are the cause of all our problems... The right has such a victim complex.

and you never see a program where everything is blamed on the right. Fox has its accusations, but nowhere in media is there an answer to that.

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

Watch the first video, watch the WHOLE thing and THEN explain to me how the Democrats are not the reason for this shit show.
http://www.nj1015.com/personalities/jim-gearhart.shtm

...
Instead of forming an opinion based upon selected soundbites from a video that was constructed with a specific slant on this extremely complicated issue... how about you try to set aside your strong, formulated partisan political views and read the entire hearing's transcript and let the facts provide the basis of your views?
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba97754.000/hba97754_0f.htm
I understand it is long and difficult to sort out the specifics.... but, if YOU form your own opinions... instead of letting someone sum it up for you in a biased Cliff Notes version that presents one side of the arguement... then, maybe others would hold your opinion in higher regard.
The means in which you present your case... a slanted 8 minute YouTube blip... makes you look more like a partisan lackey dope that sucks on the dick of the elephant (or Donkey... depending on which side creates the warped, twisting of facts)... instead of an informed and concerned, voting American taxpayer that really wants to understand and fix the government... instead of continuing this moronic partisan feud that divides us as a nation.

Commy

Seems the best way to form an opinion is to get as much information as you can about a subject and make up your own mind,

Cosmo

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I blame this on the people who think they can walk into a home with shit credit with out regard as if they can pay for a morgage or not. Just like everything in their lives, rack it up on the credit card and worry about it later. If you ask me, people got what they asked for.

...
Yet... you don't hold the people who offered 0% Down mortgages for those homes responsible for luring those buyers in? Everyone has Zero Dollars to put down on a house, don't they?
The deal was... Housing was the engine that provided growth. We shipped off our manufacturing and information jobs. All that's left are retail and service jobs. In order to continue to grow the housing sector.. you NEED buyers. Land owners, property developers, real estate people made a ton of money and a lot of developments wrote their own loans... offering Zero Dollars to move in.
And you are telling me.. that if you are paying $1,200.00 to rent a home... and someone offered you a home with little or no money down... you wouldn't move that money into buying a home? These people were supposed to be the 'experts' in the equation. The buyer needs to be given the truth.. that that $1,200.00 per month would go up to $1,800.00... $2,400.00 a month. They were told, all they have to do is re-finance that home... or sell it as the price increased. They were lied to at worst... denied full disclosure at least.
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Yet... it is all their fault. The ones that were lied to... not the ones who lied?

acoustic guy

Pj_Gurl wrote:

bumpity bump bump bump bump......

Acoustic guy and harmony, looking forward to your reply to mammasan..

hellooooooo, Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone home?

Here is the deal with me. I am very new to politics and I admit i don't know a whole hell of a lot but I am learning. And so far what I have learned is that I don't agree with the left AT ALL. Maybe a few things like gay marriage and abortion but not much else. So because I am learning I look into political situations as much as possible to understand what is happening in our country. I am sure the dem's can find just as much info on the net then I can saying BS about the republicans but that is not my interest.
One of the reasons I like Bill O'Reilly is b/c he tells it like it is. Of course you lefters don't like him, he calls you out everytime and exposes you for who you really are.
And some of you might think that since I don't know as much as you when it comes to politics that I should not post here? Please... I will post what I think is something that people should see. Its not ment for you lefters to like it. Its to show others what your party is about....bullshit.

Brain of J.Lo

acoustic guy wrote:

Here is the deal with me. I am very new to politics and I admit i don't know a whole hell of a lot but I am learning.

acoustic guy wrote:

I am sure the dem's can find just as much info on the net then I can saying BS about the republicans but that is not my interest.

If you're new to politics and don't know much, you need to do more than simply watch and read information from people with such an obvious partisan slant. If you're taking Ann Coulter's words as gospel, of course you'll agree with Bill O'Reilly, and vice versa.

You need to educate yourself about both sides (from a variety of sources!) before you can decide that you don't want to hear from one or the other.

acoustic guy

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

If you're new to politics and don't know much, you need to do more than simply watch and read information from people with such an obvious partisan slant. If you're taking Ann Coulter's words as gospel, of course you'll agree with Bill O'Reilly, and vice versa.

You need to educate yourself about both sides (from a variety of sources!) before you can decide that you don't want to hear from one or the other.

I do and I don't like the lefts ideologies.
I don't like Coulter at all but that does not mean everything she or O'reilly says is bullshit. Now if you read some articles in the NY Times, well there you will read a lot of lies and deception.
I do look into democratic policies and I think most of it is bad. I don't agree with most of what they say. I know what Obama stands for and I don't like it.
"ACORN", Goverment housing? well lets give a bunch of people who don't want to work a free place to live. AND, lets give them Goverment food, AND Goverment money. (I think its good to help Americans but not unconditionally)
They should have like two years of assistance and then they are on their own. BUT NO, the majority work the system and WE have to pay for this. NOT RIGHT. I see it and hear about it in Atlantic City all the time. I could tell you plenty of stories of people who take complete advantage of goverment help and its bullshit. My wife and I bust our ass to have a nice home and nice things, working full time jobs, I work 70 hours a week, 8 months out of the year while the people Obama wants to help are at home watching Jerry Springer and drinking cool aid that I PAID FOR!
Total bullshit.
CHANGE......wow, that is broad no? His wants to tax people who make over 250,000. Well that falls right into my business category. So you read that and think "oh he must be wealthy", not at all. A lot goes into my type of business and I only make around a quarter profit from that, but I will get taxed out the ass with his plan. AND, my families insurance is covered through my wife's company that she works for as part of her salary. Well, when they have to pay all those extra taxes, what do you think they will cut out in order to cover them????
The insurance plans will get worse and a heck of a lot thinner.

Ta hell with Obama. Change, yea for the worse maybe.

stupidcorporatewhore

acoustic guy wrote:

Here is the deal with me. I am very new to politics and I admit i don't know a whole hell of a lot but I am learning. And so far what I have learned is that I don't agree with the left AT ALL. Maybe a few things like gay marriage and abortion but not much else. So because I am learning I look into political situations as much as possible to understand what is happening in our country. I am sure the dem's can find just as much info on the net then I can saying BS about the republicans but that is not my interest.
One of the reasons I like Bill O'Reilly is b/c he tells it like it is. Of course you lefters don't like him, he calls you out everytime and exposes you for who you really are.
And some of you might think that since I don't know as much as you when it comes to politics that I should not post here? Please... I will post what I think is something that people should see. Its not ment for you lefters to like it. Its to show others what your party is about....bullshit.

Bill O' cherry picks information, and distorts whatever truth might be left. He makes a lot of money doing what he does. I suspect he wouldn't do pro bono work to support the right wing.

the whole right/left thing is bullshit. It's a distraction. It's an industry in itself.

you're a slave.

I'm so fucking sick of this shit.

acoustic guy

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

Bill O' cherry picks information, and distorts whatever truth might be left.
you're a slave.

And you think the CNN doesn't?
Maybe I am.

Anon

acoustic guy wrote:

Here is the deal with me. I am very new to politics and I admit i don't know a whole hell of a lot but I am learning. And so far what I have learned is that I don't agree with the left AT ALL. Maybe a few things like gay marriage and abortion but not much else. So because I am learning I look into political situations as much as possible to understand what is happening in our country. I am sure the dem's can find just as much info on the net then I can saying BS about the republicans but that is not my interest.
One of the reasons I like Bill O'Reilly is b/c he tells it like it is. Of course you lefters don't like him, he calls you out everytime and exposes you for who you really are.
And some of you might think that since I don't know as much as you when it comes to politics that I should not post here? Please... I will post what I think is something that people should see. Its not ment for you lefters to like it. Its to show others what your party is about....bullshit.

Plenty of people post opposing views. It's all good, and encourages healthy debate. Usually much more effective and likely to gain respect when you don't make personal attacks.

Bill O'reilly exposes us for who we really are?

Mmmmm k.

stupidcorporatewhore

acoustic guy wrote:

And you think the CNN doesn't?
Maybe I am.

are you kidding me?

the answer is in the line between the two lines you quoted from my post.

cherry picking indeed.

CNN is owned by a multinational corporation (time Warner)

if you watch them, you get the facts the way they want you to know them, not the way they are.

C-span, BBC, and possibly NPR are the only ones without bias, at least in the way the major outlets do.

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

I do and I don't like the lefts ideologies.
I don't like Coulter at all but that does not mean everything she or O'reilly says is bullshit. Now if you read some articles in the NY Times, well there you will read a lot of lies and deception.
I do look into democratic policies and I think most of it is bad. I don't agree with most of what they say. I know what Obama stands for and I don't like it.
"ACORN", Goverment housing? well lets give a bunch of people who don't want to work a free place to live. AND, lets give them Goverment food, AND Goverment money. (I think its good to help Americans but not unconditionally)
They should have like two years of assistance and then they are on their own. BUT NO, the majority work the system and WE have to pay for this. NOT RIGHT. I see it and hear about it in Atlantic City all the time. I could tell you plenty of stories of people who take complete advantage of goverment help and its bullshit. My wife and I bust our ass to have a nice home and nice things, working full time jobs, I work 70 hours a week, 8 months out of the year while the people Obama wants to help are at home watching Jerry Springer and drinking cool aid that I PAID FOR!
Total bullshit.
CHANGE......wow, that is broad no? His wants to tax people who make over 250,000. Well that falls right into my business category. So you read that and think "oh he must be wealthy", not at all. A lot goes into my type of business and I only make around a quarter profit from that, but I will get taxed out the ass with his plan. AND, my families insurance is covered through my wife's company that she works for as part of her salary. Well, when they have to pay all those extra taxes, what do you think they will cut out in order to cover them????
The insurance plans will get worse and a heck of a lot thinner.

Ta hell with Obama. Change, yea for the worse maybe.

...
Wait a minute. So... you DON'T make $250,000.00 annual profits? Your net is $62,500.00 in take home (1 quarter of $250,000.00)? Then, what are you complaining about? $62,500.00 is less than $250,000.00, you know? Unless your wife's income is $187,500.00 a year.
...
And if you do make over $250,000.00 a year... why don't you just BUY your own health insurance?

acoustic guy

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

are you kidding me?

the answer is in the line between the two lines you quoted from my post.

cherry picking indeed.

CNN is owned by a multinational corporation (time Warner)

if you watch them, you get the facts the way they want you to know them, not the way they are.

C-span, BBC, and possibly NPR are the only ones without bias, at least in the way the major outlets do.

It seems you are pretty smart when it comes to Politics but you are way off base when it comes to who is bias and who is not. I listen to NPR on a regular basis and I can say for sure they lean to the far far left. And CNN? Please, Time Warner goes hand in hand with the ACLU. Don't even try it.
They are completely into the secular movement.

sponger

IMO, the stupidest move of probably the history of modern US economics, if not world economics, was Bush's decision to up the FHA limit on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac approved Jumbo loans.

He actually made this move IN RESPONSE to the subprime crisis and falling housing prices. If he had done this prior to those conditions, I might cut him some slack.

But, to actually piss turpentine on the fire the way Bush did by letting people take out bigger loans in a market already inflated to Kingdom come is just indisputable proof that the man is truly an incredibly stupid person.

I think when all of this is sorted out and anarchy/or martial law does not reign over the streets of the US, history will look back upon that decision as perhaps one of the dumbest, most foolish, ignorant, and downright assinine decisions ever made by a US President. It just goes to show how little the man really knows about economics n spite of his Ivy League business education.

Thank you.

stupidcorporatewhore

acoustic guy wrote:

It seems you are pretty smart when it comes to Politics but you are way off base when it comes to who is bias and who is not. I listen to NPR on a regular basis and I can say for sure they lean to the far far left. And CNN? Please, Time Warner goes hand in hand with the ACLU. Don't even try it.
They are completely into the secular movement.

I just don't agree. At least it's not far far left by my definition. Twice Kucinich tried to get Impeachment proceedings for Cheney. Except for Olberman, the story was completely Ignored by the "liberal" media. They are consistantly misrepresenting numbers of people at protests. reverend wright- covered ad nauseum. Reverend Hagee- ignored. the list goes on and on.

good reporting of facts is not a bias. If a republican senator goes down because he commited a crime, that's not bias. That's justice.

IF the "mainstream" media have a bias it's to money. that's a fact.

As far as I'm concerned, the media has been Bush's bitch for the last 8 years.

as for this secular "movement" you speak of, here's a wake up call. This is a secular nation. It's the way the founding fathers wanted it. In fact, they thought it was so important they made it the first 10 words of the bill of rights

I'm sure you don't agree and that's fine. That's covered in the next 11 words.

http://www.consource.org/index.asp?bid=574&False

stupidcorporatewhore

The fair lending act was devised under carter in the late 70s

was not repealed under reagan or bush1. did not fold under clinton.

upheld by Bush2 first and 2nd term. It collapsed under a democrat majority.

so, devised by democrats and failed on democrat watch 30 years later = democrats fault?

guys, with all due respect, that's a huge stretch and it reaks of desperation.