Here is the proof Dem's
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Watch the first video, watch the WHOLE thing and THEN explain to me how the Democrats are not the reason for this shit show.
http://www.nj1015.com/personalities/jim-gearhart.shtm
http://www.nj1015.com/personalities/jim-gearhart.shtm
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Sweep the Leg Johnny.
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Yes the Dems are responsible but what about the Republicans. In 2004 the Democrats did not hold control of the House or the Senate so could not pass a bill or any legislature with out Republican support. So instead of presenting half the story why not try the truth.
question: who controlled the house, senate, and whitehouse in 2004....?
It appears he needs to point the finger directly at someone or something. It's Dems, Repubs all of them that has brought this on and the tax payer as usaual takes the hit, this very hard.
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The rep's were flashing warning signs left and right. And yet they were told they were just starting trouble.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
It reminds me of a caller who called into Bill Bennett's show this week. He was stating how in 2001 Treasury Secretary O'Neill and in 2005 Alan Greenspan spoke to Congress about the risk of sub-prime lending and that the Democrats did nothing. Of course Bennett was in full agreement both of them failing to point out that the Republicans where in control of Congress in both those years. So while it is true that the Democrats failed to act they conveniently ignore the fact that the Republicans, who where the majority, failed to act as well.
That is why they voted for deregulation along with the Democrats. Please both parties are responsible for this mess and people like you you fail to see the entire scope of the problem because you are blinded by your hyper-partisan bias only make matters worse. Since 2000 Congress was warned several times about the problem with sub-prime mortgages and both parties failed to act. Up until January of 2007 Republicans had control and didn't need the Democrats to propose any type of legislature to stop the coming storm, but they didn't.
Let me just also provide you with a bit of history. The first seeds of this problem where planted back in the late 1960's with the conversion of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from federal government entities to government sponsored enterprises. So to sit here and blame the Democrats is simply an exercise in shear stupidity. The is a government failure across the board, not one party's failure.
VOTE THEM OUT.
exactly.
i do not understand this 'us' and 'them' mentality. we are ALL americans, it's OUR government, so enough with trying to splinter us further. we need things to unite us...not more divisive BS.
besides, for the record...i'm an independent.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Its almost comical listening to some of you guys say its "everyone's fault". Its only everyone's fault when the dems are up to there necks in the shit they created. How anyone can possibly watch this video of congressional hearings, not to mention the mountains of evidence and paper trail that leads right to the democrats front door and decide its everyone's fault is beyond me.
Get your heads out of the sand and have some courage to call a spade a spade.
You are a spade.
This is a joke right. Please oh please explain how this is only the Democrats faults. I'm not letting them off the hook because the share responsibility in this mess but please explain to me how the Republicans are not up to their necks in it as well.
It seems that the majority of left leaning individuals on this board have maned up and realized that their party shares responsibility but people like you and the OP are the ones with their heads in the sand.
So please explain to me. I will be anxiously waiting.
Also just to be upfront I am neither Democrat, liberal, nor a Obama supporter. I haven't voted for a Democrat, in any race federal, state or local since 1996. Just thought I would share that so we can get the biased issue out of the way.
Perhaps you should take your Delorean back to the years 2002-2003 McFly.
You know...The good ole' days....When Republicans controlled the Congress, Bush had a boner for war, and Your Maverick McCain was crying De-Regulate!! De-Regulate!! De-Regulate!!
It's no secret that humping the hands of big business Oil and Wall Street has going on far too long.
And before you shit all over my Blue Tie
Let me clarify that the Democrats hands are sticky from this mess as well.
There's no denying that.
But
Half truths, Conservative Talk Points, and Smoke and Mirrors may be fodder for O'Riely's show, or table talk banter at the Hasselback household...
But that shit don't fly here.
See you at the Fish by the Sea.
Heavy.
People like Harmony usually can't because Hannity, Rush and the like never bring up parts where the republicans are at fault as well... It's always the liberals, they are the cause of all our problems... The right has such a victim complex.
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here is a nice article for you and Harmony to read. It may help clear up your political myopia.
meh, i still blame the republicans
How can the minority in govt be responsible for what takes place??? There has been a republican president (very strong handed may I add)...and a majority in both houses for 6 years.
Spin Spin Spin.....
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Acoustic guy and harmony, looking forward to your reply to mammasan..
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Good job macho man. There's absolutely no substance to what you just said. Go lift some more weights.
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Just to be upfront (in regards to mammasan's declaration) I am not a republican, nor a died in the wool conservative. I am an independent, have been so all my life since I registered to vote at 18. I have views that are considered far right and views and beliefs that are considered far left. I have voted for republican, democrat, independent, and green party candidates during my life time.
I fined it hysterical how seemingly every time someone espouses a view contrary to the "main stream" of this board the Rush, Hanity, and Bill'o comments are thrown insultingly at posters. Believe it or not people can have views other than your own that are based on heartfelt convictions and inner beliefs formed without listening to talking heads. And you can lump Moreen Dowd, Keith Oberman, ect.. into the same group.
The intolerance some of you have for opposing views has to some degree always astonished me and at the same time I find quite saddening because I expect more from pearl jam fans. Why? I don't know lol. I think today is the first time I have posted on the moving train in over three years.
Now that I have gotten my soliloquy out of the way lets return to the subject at hand.
As was painfully pointed out to all of us by John Murtha, Harry Reid ect.. when the dems regained power and control of both the house and senate they were and continue to be powerless in ending the war. Why?, because they did not have ab filibuster proof majority. Unless you have a filibuster proof majority you are not going to accomplish squat without bipartisan legislation. This has been the situation durring Bush's two terms for both party's.
What the OPs video clearly and quite painfully points out is that the democrats never even acknowledge any problems with either Freddie or Fannie and stood solidly in the way of any intervention, that is till the walls came crumbling down around them. And even when they regained control of the house and senate and were personally chairing these committees they did nothing. According to them, these were solid institutions that were not only doing well but had bright futures.
The democrats paint themselves as the party of the every man/woman. They stick up for and fight for our "ordinary" citizens, the little guy if you will. In the almost two years of chairing these committees and being in control of the business of both the house and the senate where were the alarm bells? Where were the hearings and investigations into this looming crises? Why were they not dragging these institutions before the congress and the American people and giving them hell? Why weren't they shouting from the Capitol steps to the citizens of this country about the corruption, book cooking, predatory lending and looming crises of these institutions?
They certainly had time to call countless hearings upon countless hearings investigating the bush administration in every facet imaginable but nothing in regards to the looming crises that with every passing month was building. Why?
Why is it that even now, after all of that has come to light, there are no calls for investigations and special prosecutors being pushed for and launched by the democrats in congress? The only current investigations that are being carried out are being done outside of congress. Why?
They will put out subpoenas for every lowly Bush aid and adviser but nothing in regards to the biggest financial disaster in our nations history. Why?
And finally why is it that I do not hear Harry Ried and Nacy Pelosi saying its all of our fault, Republicans and Democrats?
The answer to these questions is a plain as the nose on your face and thanks to the op it is before you in streaming color and in their own words.
"i do not understand this 'us' and 'them' mentality. we are ALL americans, it's OUR government, so enough with trying to splinter us further. we need things to unite us...not more divisive BS."
Truer words have never been spoken but sadly for the almost 8 years of Bushes presidency this mindset has only once been implemented by the political party's that control this country and that was during 9/11, and that lasted a few weeks at best. Since then if a rat pisses in your cornflakes it must be George Bushes fault.
Here, before us, we have a scandal that has brought our country's economy to it's knees and because the Democrats are "up to there necks in it" we are now all Americans and it is all our fault. I am by no means questioning the sincerity of the above quote by decides2dream personally just the mindset that alot of liberals are convienently adpoting after blaming Bush and the repuplicans for every thing under the sun for 8 years.
Now, please excuse me while I scurry away to consult with my pundits and personally place a call to Sean Hannity.
Nice post.
But you must admit the first post is misleading. Many Dems are split on this subject. And to show a video of some Dems out of context is only going to divide us all further. I'm sure one could compile a video showing the opposite. But the point is that both parties are at fault. I just saw Dennis Kucinich berating the bail out the other day. The Dems are also divided on this issue. And it is way more complex than just Fannie and Freddie.
Edit: And by out of context, I mean not showing all Dems and GOP that spoke in Congerss during that period.
Instead of forming an opinion based upon selected soundbites from a video that was constructed with a specific slant on this extremely complicated issue... how about you try to set aside your strong, formulated partisan political views and read the entire hearing's transcript and let the facts provide the basis of your views?
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba97754.000/hba97754_0f.htm
I understand it is long and difficult to sort out the specifics.... but, if YOU form your own opinions... instead of letting someone sum it up for you in a biased Cliff Notes version that presents one side of the arguement... then, maybe others would hold your opinion in higher regard.
The means in which you present your case... a slanted 8 minute YouTube blip... makes you look more like a partisan lackey dope that sucks on the dick of the elephant (or Donkey... depending on which side creates the warped, twisting of facts)... instead of an informed and concerned, voting American taxpayer that really wants to understand and fix the government... instead of continuing this moronic partisan feud that divides us as a nation.
Hail, Hail!!!
Yet... you don't hold the people who offered 0% Down mortgages for those homes responsible for luring those buyers in? Everyone has Zero Dollars to put down on a house, don't they?
The deal was... Housing was the engine that provided growth. We shipped off our manufacturing and information jobs. All that's left are retail and service jobs. In order to continue to grow the housing sector.. you NEED buyers. Land owners, property developers, real estate people made a ton of money and a lot of developments wrote their own loans... offering Zero Dollars to move in.
And you are telling me.. that if you are paying $1,200.00 to rent a home... and someone offered you a home with little or no money down... you wouldn't move that money into buying a home? These people were supposed to be the 'experts' in the equation. The buyer needs to be given the truth.. that that $1,200.00 per month would go up to $1,800.00... $2,400.00 a month. They were told, all they have to do is re-finance that home... or sell it as the price increased. They were lied to at worst... denied full disclosure at least.
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Yet... it is all their fault. The ones that were lied to... not the ones who lied?
Hail, Hail!!!
One of the reasons I like Bill O'Reilly is b/c he tells it like it is. Of course you lefters don't like him, he calls you out everytime and exposes you for who you really are.
And some of you might think that since I don't know as much as you when it comes to politics that I should not post here? Please... I will post what I think is something that people should see. Its not ment for you lefters to like it. Its to show others what your party is about....bullshit.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
If you're new to politics and don't know much, you need to do more than simply watch and read information from people with such an obvious partisan slant. If you're taking Ann Coulter's words as gospel, of course you'll agree with Bill O'Reilly, and vice versa.
You need to educate yourself about both sides (from a variety of sources!) before you can decide that you don't want to hear from one or the other.