Obama has got some nerve

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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    NMyTree wrote:
    Yes, English.

    If you come to live in america, you should learn the language.

    If I go to France, I don't expect them to all know english.

    If I go to Mexico, they don't give a fuck about learning english for my sake and I don't expect them to.

    My emphasis was on the word require.... how do you propose to "require" someone to learn something?

    because if you know a way I am very excited. There should be some requirements before American Citizens should be allowed to vote.
  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Required to learn English? What else are we going to require them to learn? and what exactly to we require American's to learn?

    Grammar maybe?? ;)
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Lizard wrote:
    Grammar maybe?? ;)

    So we are going to give them a test? No passport unless you can pass a test?
  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    Abuskedti wrote:
    So we are going to give them a test? No passport unless you can pass a test?

    Why not?



    Just trying to create some levity in this weighted down moving train..........
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
    Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Abuskedti wrote:
    My emphasis was on the word require.... how do you propose to "require" someone to learn something?

    because if you know a way I am very excited. There should be some requirements before American Citizens should be allowed to vote.

    When they come into the country, set them up with some language education. Classes. Teachers. Books. You know, that kind of stuff.

    And keep in mind, I'm talking about all immigrants who come into this country. Not just mexicans.

    I agree, there probably should be some requirements before qualifying to vote. As there probably should be before someone breeds/becomes a parent.

    If you're generally a moron or suffer from severe mental illnesses, you probably shouldn't breed or become a parent. How to implement such a thing......I don't know.

    I guess that's why "it's a free country":D
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Lizard wrote:
    Why not?



    Just trying to create some levity in this weighted down moving train..........


    may cause a strain on the tourist industry...

    hmmm... so we want more government regulation in this area... more isolation... hmmm

    doesn't sound good to me at all. just sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Abuskedti wrote:
    So we are going to give them a test? No passport unless you can pass a test?

    They can learn after they get here. Just like my parents did. They went to night school and learned English.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Abuskedti wrote:
    may cause a strain on the tourist industry...

    hmmm... so we want more government regulation in this area... more isolation... hmmm

    doesn't sound good to me at all. just sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles

    Oh sheesh, I'm talking about people who come here to live. Not tourists. That was clear from my first post.
    NMyTree wrote:
    Everyone who comes to live in this country should be required to learn english.



    And my parents, my sister and I came to america in 1968. I was four years old. Don't talk to me about ..... " sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles " ....crap.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    This whole language thing seems overblown to me...

    I'll try to find them, but last year I read a couple of studies that showed today's spanish speaking immigrants learned english just as quickly as the european immigrants of our past generations. Basically the first generation (people who actually come here) learn very little english (enough to get by), their children grow up in households where they speak their native language, but learn english very well in school and outside the home, and by the third generation, they are predominantly english speaking only.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    old non-issue: gay marriage..

    new non-issue: press 1 for English..
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    NMyTree wrote:
    Oh sheesh, I'm talking about people who come here to live. Not tourists. That was clear from my first post.





    And my parents, my sister and I came to america in 1968. I was four years old. Don't talk to me about ..... " sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles " ....crap.

    well why then is this an issue. it is already very difficult for people that don't speak English to live here. What exactly do you hope to gain by "requiring" them to learn English - that is not already encouraged by doing nothing different??
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    blackredyellow wrote:
    This whole language thing seems overblown to me...

    I'll try to find them, but last year I read a couple of studies that showed today's spanish speaking immigrants learned english just as quickly as the european immigrants of our past generations. Basically the first generation (people who actually come here) learn very little english (enough to get by), their children grow up in households where they speak their native language, but learn english very well in school and outside the home, and by the third generation, they are predominantly english speaking only.

    thanks for that:)
    and this is basically what the majority of studies on immigrantion show for a number of countries also in europe...
    to the "natives" it seems though, that the "foreigners" never learn the language as there is a constant stream of NEW first generation immigrants that still have huge problems speaking the language...the others (especially 3rd generation) the natives can't even tell apart from themselves any more;) just look at NMytree;)

    this is why this really is...a non-issue...

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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    inmytree wrote:
    old non-issue: gay marriage..

    new non-issue: press 1 for English..

    Some would hate Hong Kong.

    1. Cantonese
    3. Mandarin
    3. English

    3 lanuages!!!! and 5 seconds of my day wasted!!! how dare they.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    nobody wrote:
    thanks for that:)
    and this is basically what the majority of studies on immigrantion show for a number of countries also in europe...
    to the "natives" it seems though, that the "foreigners" never learn the language as there is a constant stream of NEW first generation immigrants that still have huge problems speaking the language...the others (especially 3rd generation) the natives can't even tell apart from themselves any more;) just look at NMytree;)

    this is why this really is...a non-issue...

    m.


    yeah... and I do think it is just more visible these days... You think about the old ethnic neighborhoods in the 1920's & 30's (and later). If you were an Italian immigrant, you probably settled in an Italian area. You could shop for clothes or food at neighborhood shops who are owned by Italian speaking people, work for business owned by Italians, etc... Now days, immigrants are out in the open more, shopping at the same grocery stores, wal-marts, drug stores that natives shop at, etc.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    Some people in here are worse than Lou Dobbs! :eek:
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    acoustic guy wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEY_-t4wXik&feature=related
    How about, the people coming to this country need to learn English?
    WTF Obama. This fucking guy.
    I agree its good for children to learn many languages but what he is saying is flat out fucked up.
    Like I said in another thread, most europeans speak many languages b/c the countries over there are very small and close together like our states are.
    Dumb ass Obama you fucker.
    Unbelievable.
    Seriously.
    When you grasp ahold of your native tongue then you can complain.
    Ever hear the song 'Speak English Or Die?'
    You would love it...
    Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    scb wrote:
    Maybe we should all be required to learn Navajo... and Apache... and Hopi...

    That was awesome
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    TrixieCat wrote:
    Unbelievable.
    Seriously.
    When you grasp ahold of your native tongue then you can complain.
    Ever hear the song 'Speak English Or Die?'
    You would love it...


    i think he just doesnt understand a majority of the western hemisphere speaks spanish
  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    Immigration is largely a non-issue. They are here and will continue to be here whether anyone likes it or not. We need to embrace that and find ways to integrate them into the society in a productive way. Anything that moves them towards citizenship a good step. English is a good start. My wife has a childhood friend that is "married" to a Mexican, we visited them during the summer. No one in the household other than my wife's friend speaks any English at all. We had a dinner date with them and there were 12 or more people at the table, with only three of us with any english whatsoever.

    This guy and his family are incredibly hard workers - they all work at a rock quarry in South Carolina 60 - 70 hours a week, but since he is here illegally he is taken advantage of by his empoyer and virtually everyone else he has to deal with.

    Requiring immigrants to learn English is a no-brainer, in a lot of ways it protects THEM They key is make massive changes in how the INS operates, so that immigrants are more comfortable voluntarily working with them rather than viewing it as the "immigrant police".

    One quick sidenote....to me immigration policy and border control are two very different issues. It is imperative that we continue to try and maintain the integrity of our border for security reasons. Immigration is a humanitarian issue, not a security issue.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    raszputini wrote:

    One quick sidenote....to me immigration policy and border control are two very different issues. It is imperative that we continue to try and maintain the integrity of our border for security reasons. Immigration is a humanitarian issue, not a security issue.

    i agree with that

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