Really? Okay then why is half the things I buy from day to day written in English and Spanish?
Sorry, I think things should only be written in English here. Thats just how I feel.
I see your point on the directions but this is how i feel.
because those things you buy day to day are sold north and south of the Rio Grande river, thats why.
the world is flat again so to speak
this stuff is simple really? i mean come on folks...
Just out of curiosity, have you done a lot of traveling? Because pretty much everywhere else in the world, not only signs, but PA announcements and many other things are done in multiple languages. Not just border towns or tiny countries. It's not to bow down to anyone or to minimize the importance of a native tongue, but to create access. Do you want the US to compete on an international level in a global economy, or do you want to isolate ourselves further than we are already?
Really? Okay then why is half the things I buy from day to day written in English and Spanish?
Sorry, I think things should only be written in English here. Thats just how I feel.
I see your point on the directions but this is how i feel.
How does it hurt anyone to have signs & instructions in multiple languages?
I don't know where you guys are buying appliances, but for the past 10 years, most of my instruction books have come in multiple languages. Including English as the first one in the booklet.
Huge problem there. I actually have to disregard the rest of the book. Jesus, what a non-issue.
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No. he is simply saying "come on over to my country and we will make you as comfortable as possible. We will put your language on everything we sell. If yuo buy a home appliance, it will come with 12 different direction books to make sure you are comfortable." Fuck that.
Because you clearly still have much to learn...
Direct quotations are another person's exact words--either spoken or in print--incorporated into your own writing.
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* Use a capital letter with the first word of a direct quotation of a whole sentence. Do not use a capital letter with the first word of a direct quotation of part of a sentence.
* If the quotation is interrupted and then continues in your sentence, do not capitalize the second part of the quotation.
Mr. and Mrs. Allen, owners of a 300-acre farm, said, "We refuse to use that pesticide because it might pollute the nearby wells."
Mr. and Mrs. Allen stated that they "refuse to use that pesticide" because of possible water pollution.
"He likes to talk about football," she said, "especially when the Super Bowl is coming up."
Indirect quotations are not exact words but rather rephrasings or summaries of another person's words. Do not use quotation marks for indirect quotations.
According to their statement to the local papers, the Allens refuse to use pesticide because of potential water pollution.
I don't know where you guys are buying appliances, but for the past 10 years, most of my instruction books have come in multiple languages. Including English as the first one in the booklet.
Huge problem there. I actually have to disregard the rest of the book. Jesus, what a non-issue.
I disagree. It's as big of an issue as abortion, foreign policy and health care.
IT WILL decide this election...:rolleyes:
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I agree it would be a positive thing. But, aside from the curriculum already taught in high school and college, I don't think Obama has any right to tell me what I should teach my kids.
In case you missed it, I agree. The only language I think should be mandatory, is English.
The rest was me saying I think it's a positive thing to learn other languages, but I didn't advocate it being a requirement or forced upon.
There's nothing wrong with it, so long as it's voluntary. What's next for Obama? "Every American child should be required to read The Great Gatsby?" Or else what?
I have no idea what you're going on about. I never advocated any american being forced to do anything but learn English. The rest was my perspective on different languages. I never indicated a mandatory curriculum. Only suggested I believe it to be a positive thing to learn other languages.
By the same token, I don't believe my children or anyone's children should be dragged into a phoney, trumped up war; by corporate elitist jerk-offs. Nor should they have the right to violate my right to privacy and freedom.
And last time I checked phoney wars and constitutional rights are far more important, than some possible mandatory foreign language curriculum.
I don't know where you guys are buying appliances, but for the past 10 years, most of my instruction books have come in multiple languages. Including English as the first one in the booklet.
Huge problem there. I actually have to disregard the rest of the book. Jesus, what a non-issue.
Fuck that... I can't possibly be expected to assembly my entertainment center without being distracted by all of the Chinese symbols.
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I agree it would be a positive thing. But, aside from the curriculum already taught in high school and college, I don't think Obama has any right to tell me what I should teach my kids.
So what? That's their prerogative. I took differential calculus in high school, but ended up not needing it in my job. I've forgotten that, too.
There's nothing wrong with it, so long as it's voluntary. What's next for Obama? "Every American child should be required to read The Great Gatsby?" Or else what?
The reason he wants to make foreign language manditory in elementary school is because that is when people are better able to learn and retain another language.
I don't think he should make Spanish class mandatory but it should definitely be offered at every school and Parents should encourage there kids to take it.
I know I would encourage my kids if I had any.
Like it or not being Bilingual can get you a job in this country for that reason alone. It's a good skill to have.
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My emphasis was on the word require.... how do you propose to "require" someone to learn something?
because if you know a way I am very excited. There should be some requirements before American Citizens should be allowed to vote.
When they come into the country, set them up with some language education. Classes. Teachers. Books. You know, that kind of stuff.
And keep in mind, I'm talking about all immigrants who come into this country. Not just mexicans.
I agree, there probably should be some requirements before qualifying to vote. As there probably should be before someone breeds/becomes a parent.
If you're generally a moron or suffer from severe mental illnesses, you probably shouldn't breed or become a parent. How to implement such a thing......I don't know.
Everyone who comes to live in this country should be required to learn english.
And my parents, my sister and I came to america in 1968. I was four years old. Don't talk to me about ..... " sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles " ....crap.
This whole language thing seems overblown to me...
I'll try to find them, but last year I read a couple of studies that showed today's spanish speaking immigrants learned english just as quickly as the european immigrants of our past generations. Basically the first generation (people who actually come here) learn very little english (enough to get by), their children grow up in households where they speak their native language, but learn english very well in school and outside the home, and by the third generation, they are predominantly english speaking only.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Oh sheesh, I'm talking about people who come here to live. Not tourists. That was clear from my first post.
And my parents, my sister and I came to america in 1968. I was four years old. Don't talk to me about ..... " sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles " ....crap.
well why then is this an issue. it is already very difficult for people that don't speak English to live here. What exactly do you hope to gain by "requiring" them to learn English - that is not already encouraged by doing nothing different??
This whole language thing seems overblown to me...
I'll try to find them, but last year I read a couple of studies that showed today's spanish speaking immigrants learned english just as quickly as the european immigrants of our past generations. Basically the first generation (people who actually come here) learn very little english (enough to get by), their children grow up in households where they speak their native language, but learn english very well in school and outside the home, and by the third generation, they are predominantly english speaking only.
thanks for that:)
and this is basically what the majority of studies on immigrantion show for a number of countries also in europe...
to the "natives" it seems though, that the "foreigners" never learn the language as there is a constant stream of NEW first generation immigrants that still have huge problems speaking the language...the others (especially 3rd generation) the natives can't even tell apart from themselves any more;) just look at NMytree;)
this is why this really is...a non-issue...
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thanks for that:)
and this is basically what the majority of studies on immigrantion show for a number of countries also in europe...
to the "natives" it seems though, that the "foreigners" never learn the language as there is a constant stream of NEW first generation immigrants that still have huge problems speaking the language...the others (especially 3rd generation) the natives can't even tell apart from themselves any more;) just look at NMytree;)
this is why this really is...a non-issue...
m.
yeah... and I do think it is just more visible these days... You think about the old ethnic neighborhoods in the 1920's & 30's (and later). If you were an Italian immigrant, you probably settled in an Italian area. You could shop for clothes or food at neighborhood shops who are owned by Italian speaking people, work for business owned by Italians, etc... Now days, immigrants are out in the open more, shopping at the same grocery stores, wal-marts, drug stores that natives shop at, etc.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEY_-t4wXik&feature=related
How about, the people coming to this country need to learn English?
WTF Obama. This fucking guy.
I agree its good for children to learn many languages but what he is saying is flat out fucked up.
Like I said in another thread, most europeans speak many languages b/c the countries over there are very small and close together like our states are.
Dumb ass Obama you fucker.
Unbelievable.
Seriously.
When you grasp ahold of your native tongue then you can complain.
Ever hear the song 'Speak English Or Die?'
You would love it...
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Unbelievable.
Seriously.
When you grasp ahold of your native tongue then you can complain.
Ever hear the song 'Speak English Or Die?'
You would love it...
i think he just doesnt understand a majority of the western hemisphere speaks spanish
Immigration is largely a non-issue. They are here and will continue to be here whether anyone likes it or not. We need to embrace that and find ways to integrate them into the society in a productive way. Anything that moves them towards citizenship a good step. English is a good start. My wife has a childhood friend that is "married" to a Mexican, we visited them during the summer. No one in the household other than my wife's friend speaks any English at all. We had a dinner date with them and there were 12 or more people at the table, with only three of us with any english whatsoever.
This guy and his family are incredibly hard workers - they all work at a rock quarry in South Carolina 60 - 70 hours a week, but since he is here illegally he is taken advantage of by his empoyer and virtually everyone else he has to deal with.
Requiring immigrants to learn English is a no-brainer, in a lot of ways it protects THEM They key is make massive changes in how the INS operates, so that immigrants are more comfortable voluntarily working with them rather than viewing it as the "immigrant police".
One quick sidenote....to me immigration policy and border control are two very different issues. It is imperative that we continue to try and maintain the integrity of our border for security reasons. Immigration is a humanitarian issue, not a security issue.
One quick sidenote....to me immigration policy and border control are two very different issues. It is imperative that we continue to try and maintain the integrity of our border for security reasons. Immigration is a humanitarian issue, not a security issue.
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because those things you buy day to day are sold north and south of the Rio Grande river, thats why.
the world is flat again so to speak
this stuff is simple really? i mean come on folks...
great points...
How does it hurt anyone to have signs & instructions in multiple languages?
Huge problem there. I actually have to disregard the rest of the book. Jesus, what a non-issue.
Because you clearly still have much to learn...
Direct quotations are another person's exact words--either spoken or in print--incorporated into your own writing.
* Use a set of quotation marks to enclose each direct quotation included in your writing.
* Use a capital letter with the first word of a direct quotation of a whole sentence. Do not use a capital letter with the first word of a direct quotation of part of a sentence.
* If the quotation is interrupted and then continues in your sentence, do not capitalize the second part of the quotation.
Mr. and Mrs. Allen, owners of a 300-acre farm, said, "We refuse to use that pesticide because it might pollute the nearby wells."
Mr. and Mrs. Allen stated that they "refuse to use that pesticide" because of possible water pollution.
"He likes to talk about football," she said, "especially when the Super Bowl is coming up."
Indirect quotations are not exact words but rather rephrasings or summaries of another person's words. Do not use quotation marks for indirect quotations.
According to their statement to the local papers, the Allens refuse to use pesticide because of potential water pollution.
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I disagree. It's as big of an issue as abortion, foreign policy and health care.
IT WILL decide this election...:rolleyes:
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In case you missed it, I agree. The only language I think should be mandatory, is English.
The rest was me saying I think it's a positive thing to learn other languages, but I didn't advocate it being a requirement or forced upon.
Sure is. I don't recall saying it wasn't their perogative. I simply made a statement which I have found to be true. Apparently you agree.
I have no idea what you're going on about. I never advocated any american being forced to do anything but learn English. The rest was my perspective on different languages. I never indicated a mandatory curriculum. Only suggested I believe it to be a positive thing to learn other languages.
By the same token, I don't believe my children or anyone's children should be dragged into a phoney, trumped up war; by corporate elitist jerk-offs. Nor should they have the right to violate my right to privacy and freedom.
And last time I checked phoney wars and constitutional rights are far more important, than some possible mandatory foreign language curriculum.
Fuck that... I can't possibly be expected to assembly my entertainment center without being distracted by all of the Chinese symbols.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
The reason he wants to make foreign language manditory in elementary school is because that is when people are better able to learn and retain another language.
I don't think he should make Spanish class mandatory but it should definitely be offered at every school and Parents should encourage there kids to take it.
I know I would encourage my kids if I had any.
Like it or not being Bilingual can get you a job in this country for that reason alone. It's a good skill to have.
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My emphasis was on the word require.... how do you propose to "require" someone to learn something?
because if you know a way I am very excited. There should be some requirements before American Citizens should be allowed to vote.
Grammar maybe??
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
So we are going to give them a test? No passport unless you can pass a test?
Why not?
Just trying to create some levity in this weighted down moving train..........
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
When they come into the country, set them up with some language education. Classes. Teachers. Books. You know, that kind of stuff.
And keep in mind, I'm talking about all immigrants who come into this country. Not just mexicans.
I agree, there probably should be some requirements before qualifying to vote. As there probably should be before someone breeds/becomes a parent.
If you're generally a moron or suffer from severe mental illnesses, you probably shouldn't breed or become a parent. How to implement such a thing......I don't know.
I guess that's why "it's a free country":D
may cause a strain on the tourist industry...
hmmm... so we want more government regulation in this area... more isolation... hmmm
doesn't sound good to me at all. just sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles
They can learn after they get here. Just like my parents did. They went to night school and learned English.
Oh sheesh, I'm talking about people who come here to live. Not tourists. That was clear from my first post.
And my parents, my sister and I came to america in 1968. I was four years old. Don't talk to me about ..... " sounds like people taking shots at people that aren't enough like them... blaming random stranger for obsticles " ....crap.
I'll try to find them, but last year I read a couple of studies that showed today's spanish speaking immigrants learned english just as quickly as the european immigrants of our past generations. Basically the first generation (people who actually come here) learn very little english (enough to get by), their children grow up in households where they speak their native language, but learn english very well in school and outside the home, and by the third generation, they are predominantly english speaking only.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
new non-issue: press 1 for English..
well why then is this an issue. it is already very difficult for people that don't speak English to live here. What exactly do you hope to gain by "requiring" them to learn English - that is not already encouraged by doing nothing different??
thanks for that:)
and this is basically what the majority of studies on immigrantion show for a number of countries also in europe...
to the "natives" it seems though, that the "foreigners" never learn the language as there is a constant stream of NEW first generation immigrants that still have huge problems speaking the language...the others (especially 3rd generation) the natives can't even tell apart from themselves any more;) just look at NMytree;)
this is why this really is...a non-issue...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Some would hate Hong Kong.
1. Cantonese
3. Mandarin
3. English
3 lanuages!!!! and 5 seconds of my day wasted!!! how dare they.
yeah... and I do think it is just more visible these days... You think about the old ethnic neighborhoods in the 1920's & 30's (and later). If you were an Italian immigrant, you probably settled in an Italian area. You could shop for clothes or food at neighborhood shops who are owned by Italian speaking people, work for business owned by Italians, etc... Now days, immigrants are out in the open more, shopping at the same grocery stores, wal-marts, drug stores that natives shop at, etc.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Seriously.
When you grasp ahold of your native tongue then you can complain.
Ever hear the song 'Speak English Or Die?'
You would love it...
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
That was awesome
i think he just doesnt understand a majority of the western hemisphere speaks spanish
This guy and his family are incredibly hard workers - they all work at a rock quarry in South Carolina 60 - 70 hours a week, but since he is here illegally he is taken advantage of by his empoyer and virtually everyone else he has to deal with.
Requiring immigrants to learn English is a no-brainer, in a lot of ways it protects THEM They key is make massive changes in how the INS operates, so that immigrants are more comfortable voluntarily working with them rather than viewing it as the "immigrant police".
One quick sidenote....to me immigration policy and border control are two very different issues. It is imperative that we continue to try and maintain the integrity of our border for security reasons. Immigration is a humanitarian issue, not a security issue.
i agree with that