Like Obama or not, how can you not be bothered by this?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

so now people are alseep or tricked because they want to vote for the most progressive viable candidate in US presidential history :rolleyes:

Progressive in sound economic solutions?

Starting at the common denominator....what parts am I missing?

Did I miss his ongoing economics speeches and proposals?

maybe I could get some links on the financial plans he's got cooking...

Sadly the issue is what a lot of people deem viable...

John Wayne for president...big large shiny words win elections...plan? meh...

DriftingByTheStorm

My only real question:

"How much play would this be getting, and how much shit would be flung at 'paultards' if this were Ron Paul, and this guy was with Ron Paul's church & campaign?"

The double standard held by Obamorons is ridiculous.
:cool:

Is it because he is black?

MerkingBoy

MLC2006 wrote:

what bothers me most is that our next president is going to be either Barack Obama or John McCain. other than that, I'm not bothered at all.

Agree, that's like having to choose to either drink piss or eat shit.

brandon10

MerkingBoy wrote:

Agree, that's like having to choose to either drink piss or eat shit.

You should do both. Then you might have a clue as to what is going on in this world.

brandon10

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Progressive in sound economic solutions?

Starting at the common denominator....what parts am I missing?

Did I miss his ongoing economics speeches and proposals?

maybe I could get some links on the financial plans he's got cooking...

Sadly the issue is what a lot of people deem viable...

John Wayne for president...big large shiny words win elections...plan? meh...

You seem to miss a lot..... We won't miss you.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

brandon10 wrote:

You seem to miss a lot..... We won't miss you.

Oh cool, a self proclaimed Obama officianado (apparently)

I was asking for information on Obama's economic plan. I haven't seen it.

Any info to offer?

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

He goes to hear a racist Reverend speak bad about our country for 20 years!!...a person who bashes America?

What exactly has this reverend said??

slightofjeff

mca47 wrote:

Yeah, when other members of the congregation were asked how many times he made these types of comments it could be counted on 3 fingers in 15 years...and those 3 times Obama wasn't even there.

It doesn't matter how many times. I'll tell you, if I went to a church and the preacher said something offensive like "You know, I think all black people should be put to death" just once -- I guarantee you it would be the last time I went there.

And, you're wrong about Obama not being there. He admitted in his big, glorious "I Have a Dream" speech the other day that he was there.

How people can call this a non-issue is beyond me. Going to a particular church is voluntary. If you go to a church and continue to go to a church, it means you believe what is being espoused there. Period. Otherwise, most rational people would leave and never come back.

RainDog

slightofjeff wrote:

It doesn't matter how many times. I'll tell you, if I went to a church and the preacher said something offensive like "You know, I think all black people should be put to death" just once -- I guarantee you it would be the last time I went there.

The stuff that Wright said (and it's most likely the worst stuff he's said, or we'd be hearing more) doesn't come anywhere close to this.

So he's angry at whitey? He's a near 70 year old, fiery black man who lived through segregation, fire-hoses, and second class citizenship. I'm angry at that past, myself. And it's not like this stain has been completely washed away.

cornnifer

RainDog wrote:

The stuff that Wright said (and it's most likely the worst stuff he's said, or we'd be hearing more) doesn't come anywhere close to this.

So he's angry at whitey? He's a near 70 year old, fiery black man who lived through segregation, fire-hoses, and second class citizenship. I'm angry at that past, myself. And it's not like this stain has been completely washed away.

Did you happen to see Geraldine Ferraro's comment yesterday about Reverend Wright being a racist bigot encouraging kids and young adults to go out and "beat up on white people"?

Wtf? He didn't say anything like that.

Imagine that. A 70 year old black guy in America without amnesia. i guess blacks are just supposed to take their medicine and not comment on the taste.

slightofjeff

RainDog wrote:

The stuff that Wright said (and it's most likely the worst stuff he's said, or we'd be hearing more) doesn't come anywhere close to this.

So he's angry at whitey? He's a near 70 year old, fiery black man who lived through segregation, fire-hoses, and second class citizenship. I'm angry at that past, myself. And it's not like this stain has been completely washed away.

Well, you're right, but I was just making a point.

The government infected blacks with AIDS?
The government is selling drugs to the black community?

It's nutso (which, I know, plays well on this board).

If your pastor says something completely outrageous and off the wall -- and Obama (apparently) was offended by it, if you take his Philly speech at face value -- you leave the church. I don't know a single person who wouldn't.

Between that and his America-hating wife, it's easy to see how one can start to have doubts about what Obama, in fact, believes. He is beginning to look to me a lot like a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Now, I will admit that, perhaps if I was in love with the guy in the first place, this stuff wouldn't seem as big an issue. I wasn't going to vote for him before this. This kind of stuff just fortifies my decision.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

Imagine that. A 70 year old black guy in America without amnesia. i guess blacks are just supposed to take their medicine and not comment on the taste.

I understand that. Race relations in this country are indeed a stain on our national history.

But at what point are we white folks who did not own slaves, did not force blacks to eat at separate lunch counters and did not beat them with rubber hoses supposed to stop feeling guilty?

Right now, we've got a black guy named Barack Obama poised to become president of the United States. We've got a black woman in one of the nation's highest offices of power. Rev. Wright of all people should recognize how far we've come in this nation. But instead he harps on the negatives of the past. It isn't helpful. It's hurtful.

And don't get me started on his conspiracy theories. That's the most flabbergasting part of all of this, to me.

slightofjeff

chiefojibwa wrote:

some of what he has said is the truth...that's why it bothers so many people.

this guy has some balls to say what he said 5 days after 9/11....while the rest of the country was curled up in a ball sucking their thumbs (including our clueless leaders) this guy was telling it like it is.

Telling it like it is?
Give me a fucking break.

RainDog

slightofjeff wrote:

Well, you're right, but I was just making a point.

The government infected blacks with AIDS?
The government is selling drugs to the black community?

It's nutso (which, I know, plays well on this board).

If your pastor says something completely outrageous and off the wall -- and Obama (apparently) was offended by it, if you take his Philly speech at face value -- you leave the church. I don't know a single person who wouldn't.

Between that and his America-hating wife, it's easy to see how one can start to have doubts about what Obama, in fact, believes. He is beginning to look to me a lot like a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Now, I will admit that, perhaps if I was in love with the guy in the first place, this stuff wouldn't seem as big an issue. I wasn't going to vote for him before this. This kind of stuff just fortifies my decision.

This post is a broad generalization of people you don't agree with, with an inaccurate portrayal of a specific person married to a guy you wouldn't vote for no matter what church he attended. Ironic, ain't it?

Vince

Bill Clinton inviting Rev. Wright to the White House in 98', what's up with that? Damn boy!

slightofjeff

RainDog wrote:

This post is a broad generalization of people you don't agree with, with an inaccurate portrayal of a specific person married to a guy you wouldn't vote for no matter what church he attended. Ironic, ain't it?

Ironic? No, not really.

Please don't confuse me with some Rush Limbaugh worshiping neo-con. I just have serious questions about Obama, and had them before this stuff came to light. This stuff just re-iterates nagging doubts I've had about him all along.

I think that's fair. This is America. I'm allowed to have qualms with people running for office, just as Obamamaniacs are allowed to have qualms about Hillary and then McCain.

slightofjeff

chiefojibwa wrote:

oh, and his wife is not an america hater. she said a stupid thing, especially in an election, but to call her an "america hater" just shows your ignorance.

how do you know she's not?

Vince

There is no difference between Rev. Wrights comments on Iraq vs Ron Pauls.

I'm not defending Wright but to say that his entire career as a Rev. should be based on a few quotes and youtube videos is not fair.

If there was an issue with Barack I don't think Gov. Bill Richardson would of endorsed him.

We have to look at the big picture and stop playing these gotcha politics.

Vince

slightofjeff wrote:

how do you know she's not?

How do you know she is. It's a mute point. We're not electing Michelle Obama.

RainDog

slightofjeff wrote:

Ironic? No, not really.

Please don't confuse me with some Rush Limbaugh worshiping neo-con. I just have serious questions about Obama, and had them before this stuff came to light. This stuff just re-iterates nagging doubts I've had about him all along.

I think that's fair. This is America. I'm allowed to have qualms with people running for office, just as Obamamaniacs are allowed to have qualms about Hillary and then McCain.

There you go, generalizing me now. I didn't confuse you with a Rush Limbaugh neo-con. I took your post at face value.

And I find it quite ironic to be angry about a preacher's generalizations and express it by making generalizations of your own.

Love the guy? Obamaniacs? That must be it.