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Like Obama or not, how can you not be bothered by this?

acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
edited March 2008 in A Moving Train
Really folks. Even if you support him.
He goes to hear a racist Reverend speak bad about our country for 20 years!! 20 Years! Then uses him as a personal advisor.

What kind of person who runs for president, attends a weekly meeting with a person who bashes America?

You don't find that disturbing?
You want a person like that as the President of the United States?

Really think about this people. Don't be so quick to respond in a angry way.
It just does not add up does it?
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    To balance it out... look at past Presidential advisors. How about Haldermann and Erlichmann with Nixon? Those guys were boderline Nazis. And Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney and wolfowitz and Billl Kristol and the fools at the PNAC advising 'The Decider'.
    This pastor dude... an asshole? Yup... a third degree black belt in assholiness. Is he going to have a lot of influence in an Obama Presidency? I don't know. Does Pat Robertson advise George W. Bush? And is THAT a good thing?
    ...
    The thing about Obama. Where does he really stand on Iraq? National Healthcare? Illegal Immigration? China? The Environment?
    We should be worried more about what HE says... not his pastor.
    ...
    And seriously... how many Americans listen to what their pastor says? Apparently, God grades on attendance... not the lesson plans.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    I could give two shits about what the reverand says.

    HTH
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    i think you put to much emphasis on the role this guy has played in the campaign. Oh well.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Cosmo wrote:
    To balance it out... look at past Presidential advisors. How about Haldermann and Erlichmann with Nixon? Those guys were boderline Nazis. And Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney and wolfowitz and Billl Kristol and the fools at the PNAC advising 'The Decider'.
    This pastor dude... an asshole? Yup... a third degree black belt in assholiness. Is he going to have a lot of influence in an Obama Presidency? I don't know. Does Pat Robertson advise George W. Bush? And is THAT a good thing?
    ...
    The thing about Obama. Where does he really stand on Iraq? National Healthcare? Illegal Immigration? China? The Environment?
    We should be worried more about what HE says... not his pastor.
    ...
    And seriously... how many Americans listen to what their pastor says? Apparently, God grades on attendance... not the lesson plans.

    Well shit, anytime we try bringing up his stance on the issues nobody wanted to talk. Or the reply is just that he is not perfect but he's the best out there. I even started a thread to discuss the issues solely. Dropped like a fly.

    No one is perfect. And no, he is not the best candidate out there, imo.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • fragileblakefragileblake Posts: 716
    You're over simplifying. its not as if every sermon the guy gave was racist or anti-american. I actually do research before I form opinions and have discovered several sermons that are well within the mainstream of the UCC. Besides, I have several friends that I disagree with vehemently, I wouldn't want to be judged by their statements.
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Smellyman wrote:
    I could give two shits about what the reverand says.

    HTH
    ...
    I know.
    I cannot believe it is 2008 in America and we still give a-holes like this guy (an Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) air time. The same goes for other opportunist assholes like Ann Coulter and Gloria Allred... who are all... media whores.
    Next time any of these assholes have something to say at a press conference... how about no one show up? Do America a big favor... ignore these money grubbing camera hogs.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Cosmo wrote:

    ...
    The thing about Obama. Where does he really stand on Iraq? National Healthcare? Illegal Immigration? China? The Environment?
    We should be worried more about what HE says... not his pastor.

    bingo!

    and yet here is another thread about this nonsense....please, someone find a quote, a speech, a youtube clip, any evidence the obama has repeated anything his preacher has said.....then i'll get my panties in a bunch....:rolleyes:
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well shit, anytime we try bringing up his stance on the issues nobody wanted to talk. Or the reply is just that he is not perfect but he's the best out there. I even started a thread to discuss the issues solely. Dropped like a fly.

    No one is perfect. And no, he is not the best candidate out there, imo.
    ...
    Hey, Sweetie...
    Sorry... I took some time off the train to mix it up out on the Porch. Mostly during all that Ed solo ticket getting frenzy and bitching about servers and seniority and... well, stupid shit. And i admit.. it's fun. But, it's kind of like being in a Mosh pit at a Rage show.. except everyone else is 5 years old or younger. It sometimes feels like I'm kicking a puppy.
    But, YES. Obama is charismatic and a great speaker... but, the substance of his words... where are the issues? The reason why your post dropped off was probavly because... no one knows.
    So, once again... come November, it'll be a choice between crap or shit... well, more like crap or same old shit. No body is going to save our apathetic, yet loves to bitch asses, right? That's because we ARE apathetic and love to bitch. THAT is why we get the quality of politician we call 'Our Leaders'.
    ...
    And did I mention? It's nice to have you back.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Hey, Sweetie...
    Sorry... I took some time off the train to mix it up out on the Porch. Mostly during all that Ed solo ticket getting frenzy and bitching about servers and seniority and... well, stupid shit. And i admit.. it's fun. But, it's kind of like being in a Mosh pit at a Rage show.. except everyone else is 5 years old or younger. It sometimes feels like I'm kicking a puppy.
    But, YES. Obama is charismatic and a great speaker... but, the substance of his words... where are the issues? The reason why your post dropped off was probavly because... no one knows.
    So, once again... come November, it'll be a choice between crap or shit... well, more like crap or same old shit. No body is going to save our apathetic, yet loves to bitch asses, right? That's because we ARE apathetic and love to bitch. THAT is why we get the quality of politician we call 'Our Leaders'.
    ...
    And did I mention? It's nice to have you back.

    Hey Cosmo :)

    You're a braver person than I....those guys on the porch can take such seriousness and care in perfecting their career as know-it-all smartasses.

    And you're right...that's exactly why we get shitty elected officials. There's no accountability and people are afraid to stand behind someone offering an alternative..a new direction. We must love the smell of shit or else we've become so accustomed to it, it stopped bothering us. I say we wash ALL the shit off, we'll be fine without it and smell much better after it's gone.


    :) It's good to be back.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • MLC2006MLC2006 Posts: 861
    what bothers me most is that our next president is going to be either Barack Obama or John McCain. other than that, I'm not bothered at all.
  • DixieNDixieN Posts: 351
    Continuing on the race issue, here's something from Slate's "Hot Documents":

    http://www.slate.com/id/2186944/

    Whatever happens with his presidential bid, and I do wish him well although I do support the competition a bit more, I am grateful to him for starting a national conversation about racial resentments. I think it's something we've all tended to sweep under the rug hoping it would heal itself there. Maybe some talk therapy would be the better way to go, however.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    fragileblake wrote:
    You're over simplifying. its not as if every sermon the guy gave was racist or anti-american. I actually do research before I form opinions and have discovered several sermons that are well within the mainstream of the UCC. Besides, I have several friends that I disagree with vehemently, I wouldn't want to be judged by their statements.
    i honestly think part of the problem is people are looking at this as serious outsiders looking in. Many of the comments here are made by people who have not stepped inside a church service in decades and i'm guessing, in most cases NEVER in a Black church (it would be a definite culture shock for most). i'm not saying that in an insulting way, just pointing out that they really have no idea what goes on in churches on a weekly basis. They see a few clips and think that is what its all about. It isn't. Its important to have some point of reference into the church, the Black church especially in this case, and they simply don't have it. They only have youtube, cnn, fuxnews, and talk radio.
    i in no way want to turn this into a religious debate as i don't participate in those here any longer. Its only to add a point of reference. i do attend church regularly. The church i've attended for fifteen years is predominately white. i will say, however, and the significance of this will be lost on most here as they do not understand Christianity, it was in a Black church, the largest in my city, that i accepted Christ. i remember the day vividly. My wife and i were obviously visitors. We were the only white folks in the spot. We sat in the back and had people from the very front row walk back, warmly shake our hands and welcome us there telling us there was always a spot for us. The sermon, though animated and emphatic, was not a series of racially charged rhetoric. i'm rambling now. The point is simply that without some point of reference, one should not pretend to know what goes on in weekly church services. i'm quite sure the majority of reverend Wrights sermons were much more pallateable than what you see in these soundbyted clips.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    cornnifer wrote:
    i honestly think part of the problem is people are looking at this as serious outsiders looking in. Many of the comments here are made by people who have not stepped inside a church service in decades and i'm guessing, in most cases NEVER in a Black church (it would be a definite culture shock for most). i'm not saying that in an insulting way, just pointing out that they really have no idea what goes on in churches on a weekly basis. They see a few clips and think that is what its all about. It isn't. Its important to have some point of reference into the church, the Black church especially in this case, and they simply don't have it. They only have youtube, cnn, fuxnews, and talk radio.
    i in no way want to turn this into a religious debate as i don't participate in those here any longer. Its only to add a point of reference. i do attend church regularly. The church i've attended for fifteen years is predominately white. i will say, however, and the significance of this will be lost on most here as they do not understand Christianity, it was in a Black church, the largest in my city, that i accepted Christ. i remember the day vividly. My wife and i were obviously visitors. We were the only white folks in the spot. We sat in the back and had people from the very front row walk back, warmly shake our hands and welcome us there telling us there was always a spot for us. The sermon, though animated and emphatic, was not a series of racially charged rhetoric. i'm rambling now. The point is simply that without some point of reference, one should not pretend to know what goes on in weekly church services. i'm quite sure the majority of reverend Wrights sermons were much more pallateable than what you see in these soundbyted clips.

    So if I regularly attended a church or even a black church, then I would better understand how white people are fucking over black people?

    I'm not being a smartass. I seriously wasn't understanding the point you were trying to make here.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    welcome to another shit sandwich election...

    This time around, most people were again caught asleep at the wheel grasping for direction...

    here unfortunately....
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    Cosmo wrote:
    To balance it out... look at past Presidential advisors. How about Haldermann and Erlichmann with Nixon? Those guys were boderline Nazis. And Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney and wolfowitz and Billl Kristol and the fools at the PNAC advising 'The Decider'.
    This pastor dude... an asshole? Yup... a third degree black belt in assholiness. Is he going to have a lot of influence in an Obama Presidency? I don't know. Does Pat Robertson advise George W. Bush? And is THAT a good thing?
    ...
    The thing about Obama. Where does he really stand on Iraq? National Healthcare? Illegal Immigration? China? The Environment?
    We should be worried more about what HE says... not his pastor.
    ...
    And seriously... how many Americans listen to what their pastor says? Apparently, God grades on attendance... not the lesson plans.




    One word........ Wolfowitz, he has advised almost all the presidents for the last 20 years and has had his hand in every war or political conflict.....

    I would prefer an angry Reverend over him....

    People all over listen to priests for 20+ years who say the right thing but act like sex crazy monsters
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    KDH12 wrote:
    One word........ Wolfowitz, he has advised almost all the presidents for the last 20 years and has had his hand in every war or political conflict.....

    I would prefer an angry Reverend over him....

    People all over listen to priests for 20+ years who say the right thing but act like sex crazy monsters

    and bush was better than hitler, i still wouldn't want either to be my leader. shit is still shit.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    so now people are alseep or tricked because they want to vote for the most progressive viable candidate in US presidential history :rolleyes:
  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    Honest Question:

    Why didn't the hate mongering and ignorant comments of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson bother people over the years, but all of a sudden a connection to a minister with radical views make someone unfit to be president?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Mike Gravel is still in the race and still be silenced by these two candidates.

    to All Democrats:

    Mike Gravel is the ONLY candidate that can debate John McCain.. this is not opinion..

    the democrats are throwing another election.




    i cant stress this enough.


    there is no argument!


    but yet im sure you all will think of something ridiculous to why it is you think Mike Gravel doesnt have the best chance against what is looking like a gift wrapped presidency for John McCain


    dont be foolish... No one has WON anything YET.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    NakedClown wrote:
    Honest Question:

    Why didn't the hate mongering and ignorant comments of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson bother people over the years, but all of a sudden a connection to a minister with radical views make someone unfit to be president?


    i dont think the term radical views should be used here. putting your entire race of people against the white man is stupidity and foolishness and will get you killed.


    Wind Power as the Energy of the future in this country is a radical view... meanwhile it continues to get bigger and bigger.... weird huh?
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So if I regularly attended a church or even a black church, then I would better understand how white people are fucking over black people?

    I'm not being a smartass. I seriously wasn't understanding the point you were trying to make here.

    No, that isn't what i was saying at all. What you would have a better understanding of are the dynamics, diversity, and actual goings on inside churches, white or black, across the country instead of watching a couple minute and a half youtube videos and concluding that jeremiah wright has spent evrey minute of every sermon on every sunday morning saying "kill whitey". As far as white folks "fucking over black folks", all you would have needed to do is pay attention to basic U.S history. Trust me, Obama is much more relaxed about it than even little ol', white me.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • tiklemynauseatiklemynausea Posts: 102
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I know.
    I cannot believe it is 2008 in America and we still give a-holes like this guy (an Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) air time. The same goes for other opportunist assholes like Ann Coulter and Gloria Allred... who are all... media whores.
    Next time any of these assholes have something to say at a press conference... how about no one show up? Do America a big favor... ignore these money grubbing camera hogs.
    Well said....
    Now we got a fuckin fight up here,what there's a republican in the audience,what's going on? Eddie(Randell's Island N.Y 96)
  • Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
    Obama + Racist Reverend Wright = Bullshit

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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    NakedClown wrote:
    Honest Question:

    Why didn't the hate mongering and ignorant comments of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson bother people over the years, but all of a sudden a connection to a minister with radical views make someone unfit to be president?

    Who says it didn't bother anyone? Problem is, none of these guys were ever considered the "spiritual adviser" or "mentor" to the president. They were kooks on the fringe. Now, the kooks have apparently entered the mainstream.
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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,298
    Yeah, when other members of the congregation were asked how many times he made these types of comments it could be counted on 3 fingers in 15 years...and those 3 times Obama wasn't even there.

    He's a friend of the family!!!! I hope your friends know how you stand.

    I mean, FUCK! I went to church when I was a kid...I didn't believe in a damn word my pastor was talking about (I don't like organized religion) but have tremendous respect for him because despite his irrational beliefs...he is a great guy.

    Non-issue!!! Get the fuck over it people!
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    Yeah, when other members of the congregation were asked how many times he made these types of comments it could be counted on 3 fingers in 15 years...and those 3 times Obama wasn't even there.

    He's a friend of the family!!!! I hope your friends know how you stand.

    I mean, FUCK! I went to church when I was a kid...I didn't believe in a damn word my pastor was talking about (I don't like organized religion) but have tremendous respect for him because despite his irrational beliefs...he is a great guy.

    Non-issue!!! Get the fuck over it people!

    You guys seem to shy away from talking about the real issues.

    And if this story was about Hillary, you'd be drooling all over it.

    I don't think it's a huge issue, either but I do think there are points here worth discussing...again, not vote changing points per se but something to think about just the same.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,298
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You guys seem to shy away from talking about the real issues.

    And if this story was about Hillary, you'd be drooling all over it.

    I don't think it's a huge issue, either but I do think there are points here worth discussing...again, not vote changing points per se but something to think about just the same.

    Hilary, Obama...whatever! I don't give a shit! I'm just sick of the "media" beating to death something so fuckin' trivial as to what a guy who knows Obama said 5 years ago.
    If my brother became a rampant racist...does that mean I'm going to disown him because I don't agree with him...or because I'm running for political office?
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    Hilary, Obama...whatever! I don't give a shit! I'm just sick of the "media" beating to death something so fuckin' trivial as to what a guy who knows Obama said 5 years ago.
    If my brother became a rampant racist...does that mean I'm going to disown him because I don't agree with him...or because I'm running for political office?

    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,298
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?


    Well, if he made these comments 3 times in 15 years and I wasn't there...then maybe I'd still hang out and hear what my brother had to say.
  • fragileblakefragileblake Posts: 716
    There is still no proof that every sermon the guy gave was racist/politically charged. I've read several that weren't. But if you need to buy into the 2 dimensional version that the media peddles, have fun, I know its nice to not to have to think for yourself.
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
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