Like Obama or not, how can you not be bothered by this?

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So if I regularly attended a church or even a black church, then I would better understand how white people are fucking over black people?

    I'm not being a smartass. I seriously wasn't understanding the point you were trying to make here.

    No, that isn't what i was saying at all. What you would have a better understanding of are the dynamics, diversity, and actual goings on inside churches, white or black, across the country instead of watching a couple minute and a half youtube videos and concluding that jeremiah wright has spent evrey minute of every sermon on every sunday morning saying "kill whitey". As far as white folks "fucking over black folks", all you would have needed to do is pay attention to basic U.S history. Trust me, Obama is much more relaxed about it than even little ol', white me.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • tiklemynausea
    tiklemynausea Posts: 102
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I know.
    I cannot believe it is 2008 in America and we still give a-holes like this guy (an Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) air time. The same goes for other opportunist assholes like Ann Coulter and Gloria Allred... who are all... media whores.
    Next time any of these assholes have something to say at a press conference... how about no one show up? Do America a big favor... ignore these money grubbing camera hogs.
    Well said....
    Now we got a fuckin fight up here,what there's a republican in the audience,what's going on? Eddie(Randell's Island N.Y 96)
  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    Obama + Racist Reverend Wright = Bullshit

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    NakedClown wrote:
    Honest Question:

    Why didn't the hate mongering and ignorant comments of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson bother people over the years, but all of a sudden a connection to a minister with radical views make someone unfit to be president?

    Who says it didn't bother anyone? Problem is, none of these guys were ever considered the "spiritual adviser" or "mentor" to the president. They were kooks on the fringe. Now, the kooks have apparently entered the mainstream.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,342
    Yeah, when other members of the congregation were asked how many times he made these types of comments it could be counted on 3 fingers in 15 years...and those 3 times Obama wasn't even there.

    He's a friend of the family!!!! I hope your friends know how you stand.

    I mean, FUCK! I went to church when I was a kid...I didn't believe in a damn word my pastor was talking about (I don't like organized religion) but have tremendous respect for him because despite his irrational beliefs...he is a great guy.

    Non-issue!!! Get the fuck over it people!
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    Yeah, when other members of the congregation were asked how many times he made these types of comments it could be counted on 3 fingers in 15 years...and those 3 times Obama wasn't even there.

    He's a friend of the family!!!! I hope your friends know how you stand.

    I mean, FUCK! I went to church when I was a kid...I didn't believe in a damn word my pastor was talking about (I don't like organized religion) but have tremendous respect for him because despite his irrational beliefs...he is a great guy.

    Non-issue!!! Get the fuck over it people!

    You guys seem to shy away from talking about the real issues.

    And if this story was about Hillary, you'd be drooling all over it.

    I don't think it's a huge issue, either but I do think there are points here worth discussing...again, not vote changing points per se but something to think about just the same.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,342
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You guys seem to shy away from talking about the real issues.

    And if this story was about Hillary, you'd be drooling all over it.

    I don't think it's a huge issue, either but I do think there are points here worth discussing...again, not vote changing points per se but something to think about just the same.

    Hilary, Obama...whatever! I don't give a shit! I'm just sick of the "media" beating to death something so fuckin' trivial as to what a guy who knows Obama said 5 years ago.
    If my brother became a rampant racist...does that mean I'm going to disown him because I don't agree with him...or because I'm running for political office?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    Hilary, Obama...whatever! I don't give a shit! I'm just sick of the "media" beating to death something so fuckin' trivial as to what a guy who knows Obama said 5 years ago.
    If my brother became a rampant racist...does that mean I'm going to disown him because I don't agree with him...or because I'm running for political office?

    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,342
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?


    Well, if he made these comments 3 times in 15 years and I wasn't there...then maybe I'd still hang out and hear what my brother had to say.
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    There is still no proof that every sermon the guy gave was racist/politically charged. I've read several that weren't. But if you need to buy into the 2 dimensional version that the media peddles, have fun, I know its nice to not to have to think for yourself.
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I think Rev. Wright went too far in saying "God damn America!" but other than that I'm not troubled by anything he's said, not that I agree with all of it. I think Obama properly distanced himself from such unhelpful rage (which no one would have accused him of harboring to begin with).

    full disclosure:
    i think Obama is the best candidate who stands a chance and I hope he wins. although, i am skeptical of his Iraq policy, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    fragileblake wrote:
    There is still no proof that every sermon the guy gave was racist/politically charged. I've read several that weren't. But if you need to buy into the 2 dimensional version that the media peddles, have fun, I know its nice to not to have to think for yourself.


    My point wasn't based on every sermon of his was racially charged.

    Oh now I don't think for myself because I think there's room for discussion on this issue? Yeah, you know me...always having to be told what to think next. :rolleyes:
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    I never said that there wasn't room for discussion, I just didn't hear you acknowledge that there was more to Rev Wright than the media was portraying. The language you used certainly suggested otherwise.
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    My point wasn't based on every sermon of his was racially charged.

    Oh now I don't think for myself because I think there's room for discussion on this issue? Yeah, you know me...always having to be told what to think next. :rolleyes:
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mca47 wrote:
    Well, if he made these comments 3 times in 15 years and I wasn't there...then maybe I'd still hang out and hear what my brother had to say.

    Ok, but hanging out is not the same as going to one for spiritual guidance and it is not answering whether or not you'd confront your brother about his divisive remarks.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    fragileblake wrote:
    I never said that there wasn't room for discussion, I just didn't hear you acknowledge that there was more to Rev Wright than the media was portraying. The language you used certainly suggested otherwise.


    I was only referring to the comments he made that are in question here because those were the ones that brought on the concern.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    I'm just curious, do you belong to an organized faith? As a Christian I often like to talk about theology with fellow Christian. Theres a friend of mine who teaches seminary classes and is really informative in terms of providing context to certain scriptures, etc. I guess you could technically qualify this as spiritual advice. This guy also happens to be about a mile right of me. Our views on politics, art and many theological concepts are pretty incongruous but I find his knowledge valuable. Its entirely possible the Obama/Wright relationship is similar to this.
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ok, but hanging out is not the same as going to one for spiritual guidance and it is not answering whether or not you'd confront your brother about his divisive remarks.
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Do you go to listen to your brother give guidance weekly? Or would you speak up and say that what he said was wrong and distance yourself from his rantings?

    That pretty much sounds like you're inferring that Rev Wright was saying offensive things every week.
    http://blakepnw.blogspot.com/
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,342
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ok, but hanging out is not the same as going to one for spiritual guidance and it is not answering whether or not you'd confront your brother about his divisive remarks.

    Well, Obama has publicly stated that he has confronted his pastor over the year about things he didn't believe in. That was on CNN just a day or two ago. And yes, if my brother was talking shit I'd call him out too...just like Obama did.

    Then again, most people that go to church are there for religion and not politics. Is it not possible that Obama was there for the religion and not the politics...

    Sure, he could have said "This guy (who happens to be a livelong friend) is a nut and I'm going down the street to another church...in those 3 times in 15 years he said crazy things vs. leaving a lifelong friend who preaches the religion he believes in but throws in a political comment every 5 years.
    Wow...I'm sold.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    fragileblake wrote:
    I'm just curious, do you belong to an organized faith? As a Christian I often like to talk about theology with fellow Christian. Theres a friend of mine who teaches seminary classes and is really informative in terms of providing context to certain scriptures, etc. I guess you could technically qualify this as spiritual advice. This guy also happens to be about a mile right of me. Our views on politics, art and many theological concepts are pretty incongruous but I find his knowledge valuable. Its entirely possible the Obama/Wright relationship is similar to this.

    That's not the point. If someone i was seeking spiritual advice from made some racially divisive remarks to the whole congregation, I would feel the urge to say it was wrong and I don't know if I would trust that kind of person to be the kind of person I'd want giving me any kind of advice. His remarks were extremely paranoid and racist towards white people. It points to what kind of state of mind the guy has to me.

    Again, I'm not saying this is a huge issue, but I don't think many of you would be ok going to your same church if your pastor had said similiar remarks about black people.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    fragileblake wrote:
    That pretty much sounds like you're inferring that Rev Wright was saying offensive things every week.

    If it did, it wasn't intentional. I'm well aware he didn't say these kind of things every week. But just the few times would have bothered me...maybe it's because I'm such an idealist, I don't know. But it would have bothered the shit out of me. I can't stand when people pit races against each other instead of addressing the real problem of the elite and powerful against the rest of us.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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