"Loose Change" movie

jlew24asu

angelica wrote:

So you're saying you cannot respect someone who has a completely different view from your own?

absolutely not. I respect you im talking about this particular case. not just any situation when someone disagrees.

the official 9/11 story is by no means bulletproof. but for the people who say bush and top level government officials had direct help in planning and execution of this attack is just wrong. there is no proof of that.

thelowlightargentina

jlew24asu wrote:

I respect your opinion to oppose war. but what makes me sick is when people like you see that documentary and come on here posting that George Bush and his associates (you even went as far as saying the military) are DIRECTLY responsible, (planning and execution) for the attacks on 9/11




what propaganda? is everything on TV in this free country considered propaganda?




the stock market took over 3 years to recover from 9/11. the airline business took 5. but somehow Bush devised this plan on 9/11 to "save" our failing economy? and just so you know, this terrorism thing came up about 30 years ago.


yea I agree war sucks.

sorry I have no respect for someone who comes on here preaching that some bullshit movie like loose change is 100% true and all fact. 9/11 is a very emotion issue for me, I do not take it lightly

9/11 was a tragedy, I don´t discuss that. Thousand of inocent people died, and that´s really sad to me. The loose change movie is just another view of what happened that day, and the consecuences it had. But I insist, that movie is not the point here...
Let me ask you just one thing: don´t you think is ,at least, strange that 3 planes came across the sky of the most powerful and safe country in the world and crashes right into two of the biggest buildings in all the world, and nothing could stop them? I mean, there are Control towers, radars and stuff...Could you please think about it???

jlew24asu

thelowlightargentina wrote:

Let me ask you just one thing: don´t you think is ,at least, strange that 3 planes came across the sky of the most powerful and safe country in the world and crashes right into two of the biggest buildings in all the world, and nothing could stop them? I mean, there are Control towers, radars and stuff...Could you please think about it???

do I find it strange? no I find it tragic. on that day, the strongest most powerful nation in the world was defeated. we lost the battle. all of the security we had available to us that day failed.

thelowlightargentina

jlew24asu wrote:

do I find it strange? no I find it tragic. on that day, the strongest most powerful nation in the world was defeated. we lost the battle. all of the security we had available to us that day failed.

Well, ok. It seems to me you won´t change your mind and I won´t too. So, let´s stay where we are and with our thoughts.
Take it easy

jlew24asu

thelowlightargentina wrote:

Well, ok. It seems to me you won´t change your mind and I won´t too. So, let´s stay where we are and with our thoughts.
Take it easy

its understandable why you can be so easily manipulated not being from america. you seem to think its impossible to hijack 4 planes on a single day because we are the strongest and most powerful nation simply because we have control towers and radars.

well prior to that day, the major intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, did not work well together. they lacked in sharing information. shocking but true. there was no Dept. of Homeland Security.

box cutters (the weapon used to kill flight attendants and to hijack the planes) were allowed on airlines.

we were weak prior to 9/11 when it came to protecting our homeland.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

absolutely not. I respect you

Thanks. (;))

im talking about this particular case. not just any situation when someone disagrees.

the official 9/11 story is by no means bulletproof. but for the people who say bush and top level government officials had direct help in planning and execution of this attack is just wrong. there is no proof of that.

What I'm saying is that you can disagree completely, or dislike the other view, but isn't it important to at least respect the person who holds it? If you are respectful, that's who you are, and has nothing to do with the other person's behaviour. If the other person's actions or view can make you be disrespectful, doesn't that mean you are giving them power over your choices and actions? I don't know about you, but I'd rather define who I am--as respectful. Rather than allow someone else hook me and "force" me into being otherwise.

Matt8townsend

thelowlightargentina wrote:

You are right, there was terror...But it was not caused by terrorists...To me, it was the USA goverment, the military forces who did it. And as I said, it was the perfect excuse to attack any country Bush liked, specially if there was oil in it.

I'm sorry to be rude, but anyone who believes the US military destroyed the World Trade Centre under orders from the American government has got to be a complete idiot. People watch one b*llshit movie and they immediately buy into the whole unevidenced conspiracy.

Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.

Matt8townsend

Here's a tip for you - if you want to become a millionaire.

The next time there is a really significant global event - the next time there is a war, a catastrophe or someone famous and much loved dies - be the first to put together a conspiracy theory.

It dosn't matter if there's no evidence, it dosn't matter if what you propose is utterly preposterous, just make sure you're the first to get it out there and people will lap it up.

Collin

Matt8townsend wrote:

Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.

I agree with this statement. And I think it goes for both sides, for people who adopt this conspiracy theory without asking any questions and for people who adopt the official story without asking any questions.

spiral out

Collin wrote:

I agree with this statement. And I think it goes for both sides, for people who adopt this conspiracy theory without asking any questions and for people who adopt the official story without asking any questions.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

You've well and truly hit the nail on the head.

Hopefully some people on here will take it on baord and stop thinking they are right all the time.

angelica

Matt8townsend wrote:

Here's a tip for you - if you want to become a millionaire.

The next time there is a really significant global event - the next time there is a war, a catastrophe or someone famous and much loved dies - be the first to put together a conspiracy theory.

It dosn't matter if there's no evidence, it dosn't matter if what you propose is utterly preposterous, just make sure you're the first to get it out there and people will lap it up.

The existence of the generic "conspiracy theory" naturally exists as fallout in the system. There is a psychological principle that states that even those who are experiencing illness and the perception of false conspiracies, this issue is based on heightened perception. A percentage of the population has a heightened awareness and will perceive what the majority just cannot. So even in terms of distortion and illness, there is always a valid basis to erroneous conspiracy beliefs--there IS truth to them. For example, a schizophrenic who feels the mafia is trying to kidnap and kill them, might be, in a heightened state of awareness, distorting what they sense based on the fact that family members ARE trying to commit the person to a mental health facility against their will, secretly, behind their backs.

So, in terms of the American government, if the conspiracy theories are entirely off base, there is a basis to them of obfuscation of facts done by key government players, including deceit, denial etc. This creates the foundation for the perception of conspiracy theories in those with heightened awareness. And of course, there are many, many unanswered and unresolved questions that cannot be ignored. No matter how much we make fun of those who dare to ask them.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if you are familiar with this group of people:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

I couldn't have put it better myself.

You've well and truly hit the nail on the head.

Hopefully some people on here will take it on baord and stop thinking they are right all the time.

there is a difference with questioning the official story, which even I do, then accusing top american officials as actually being part of the planning and execution of this horrible event.

thelowlightargentina

Matt8townsend wrote:

I'm sorry to be rude, but anyone who believes the US military destroyed the World Trade Centre under orders from the American government has got to be a complete idiot. People watch one b*llshit movie and they immediately buy into the whole unevidenced conspiracy.

Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.

As far as I can see, there are some serious problems in what I´m trying to say here. I don´t speak english very good, and I think some of my ideas I´m trying to express can´t catch their real meaning.
All that I can say is that my thoughts are not product of what I saw in that movie. Let´s say it´s pure b*llshit. But since that tragic day and beyond I always doubt about every step that Bush took....
And please sorry, I´m an idiot and you are the bright one, I´m sure you were the one that supported war against Afganistan to kill Osama Bin Laden and you could never find him. Anyway, let´s destroy and kill everyone in there...just to be sure of.
you were the one that supported war in Irak because they had massive attack weapons and you could never find not even ONE. Anyway, let´s destroy every building, every single part of their culture and kill people every single day since this nightmare started...just in case they have those "weapons".
And now Iran, with their nuclear bombs and evil plans to destroy the world. Are you sure that in USA there aren´t any nuclear bomb?
All that I want to say is this: let´s put ourselves in the other´s place. Justice must be for all, not for some.

thelowlightargentina

jlew24asu wrote:

its understandable why you can be so easily manipulated not being from america. you seem to think its impossible to hijack 4 planes on a single day because we are the strongest and most powerful nation simply because we have control towers and radars.

well prior to that day, the major intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, did not work well together. they lacked in sharing information. shocking but true. there was no Dept. of Homeland Security.

box cutters (the weapon used to kill flight attendants and to hijack the planes) were allowed on airlines.

we were weak prior to 9/11 when it came to protecting our homeland.

Sorry man, I still don´t believe it. And I am from America, I live in Argentina which is a country that belongs to America continent. I´m not from USA, but I think that my points of view are like they are exactly for that reason. Sometimes you can see things from the outside that people who is inside can´t see.

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

there is a difference with questioning the official story, which even I do, then accusing top american officials as actually being part of the planning and execution of this horrible event.

You don't really come across as questioning anything, you just matter of factly state this is what happened and if you don't agree with me than your an idiot.

jlew24asu

thelowlightargentina wrote:

As far as I can see, there are some serious problems in what I´m trying to say here. I don´t speak english very good, and I think some of my ideas I´m trying to express can´t catch their real meaning.

no worries you are doing just fine.

thelowlightargentina wrote:

All that I can say is that my thoughts are not product of what I saw in that movie.

then maybe you shouldnt have started a thread by saying this...

Did anybody watch this film yet??? It seems more like a documental, it´s about 9-11. It gives lots of real great proofs and confirms, at least to me, that all of that Terrorism attacks were pure crap...

I dont care what language you speak, this is pretty clear.

thelowlightargentina wrote:

I´m sure you were the one that supported war against Afganistan to kill Osama Bin Laden and you could never find him. Anyway, let´s destroy and kill everyone in there...just to be sure of.

I 100% supported the war in afganistan. and still do. I hold the taliban government equally responsible for 9/11 for allowed bin laden free reign in that country. I also feel extremely sad when innocent people are caught in the crossfire.

thelowlightargentina wrote:

you were the one that supported war in Irak because they had massive attack weapons and you could never find not even ONE. Anyway, let´s destroy every building, every single part of their culture and kill people every single day since this nightmare started...just in case they have those "weapons".

nope, the war in Iraq is a tragic mistake that the US will be paying for for a long time to come.

thelowlightargentina wrote:

And now Iran, with their nuclear bombs and evil plans to destroy the world. Are you sure that in USA there aren´t any nuclear bomb?
All that I want to say is this: let´s put ourselves in the other´s place. Justice must be for all, not for some.

me personally, I hope it doesnt come to war with Iran. but the world also agrees that Iran should not have nuclear. how should that be handled?

jlew24asu

double post

thelowlightargentina

jlew24asu wrote:

I 100% supported the war in afganistan. and still do. I hold the taliban government equally responsible for 9/11 for allowed bin laden free reign in that country. I also feel extremely sad when innocent people are caught in the crossfire.

Everything is clear now. You support a war. I would never do that.
War is not the answer. Imagine you living in Irak right now. Every day, you´d wake up and you would never now if that day maybe you are dead.

jlew24asu wrote:

me personally, I hope it doesnt come to war with Iran. but the world also agrees that Iran should not have nuclear. how should that be handled?

I think Iran should not have nuclear, as well as the rest of the countries in the world.

jlew24asu

thelowlightargentina wrote:

Everything is clear now. You support a war. I would never do that.
War is not the answer. Imagine you living in Irak right now. Every day, you´d wake up and you would never now if that day maybe you are dead.

slow down buddy. I support the war in Afghanistan. not the war in Iraq. big difference.

thelowlightargentina wrote:

I think Iran should not have nuclear, as well as the rest of the countries in the world.

ok great. its just a dream though. you should wake up and come up with solutions on how to stop countries from creating them.

thelowlightargentina

jlew24asu wrote:

slow down buddy. I support the war in Afghanistan. not the war in Iraq. big difference.

Again. Let´s see if you understand:
- You support a war (in this case, in Afganistan).
- I would never support a war, I don´t care which country we are talking about.
It´s a difference.

jlew24asu wrote:

ok great. its just a dream though. you should wake up and come up with solutions on how to stop countries from creating them.

Well... I don´t have the solution...but do you think the United States are the right ones to decide who should stop and who should not? who gives you the right to do that? god?