The OP made a comment that 9/11 was done by our gov't so that Bush could attack any country he likes.
I asked why he would plan and execute 9/11 in order to attack Afghanistan?
You respond: Originally Posted by spiral out
They needed to build pipelines to carry gas and oil through Afganistan.
It looks to me like you were suggesting 9/11 was an inside job in order to build pipeline in Afghanistan. I'm not sure why you are having a hard time understanding that.
I am not suggesting 9/11 was an inside job no one knows the truth on that.
Just stating the reason for invading afganistan. If it was really about osama the guy would be caught and dead by now.
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So the real reason for invading Afghanistan was the pipeline?
apparently. and i guess it also had nothing to do with the fact that afghanistan's ruling party supported the group who carried out the wtc attacks. but man, am i sure glad we have that pipline. at least now we are feeling a little bit of relief at the gas pumps.
apparently. and i guess it also had nothing to do with the fact that afghanistan's ruling party supported the group who carried out the wtc attacks. but man, am i sure glad we have that pipline. at least now we are feeling a little bit of relief at the gas pumps.
oh wait...
it was never about relief at the gas pumps. it's always about the oil companies gaining access to a resource that they consider their own.
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you make me sick. some bullshit propaganda video is by no means proof the US government and MILITARY forces were responsible for 9/11. its sad such garbage can brainwash young minds of this world
First of all, you don´t make me sick. The thing that makes me sick is that while you and many others live your "American dream", thousand of people are dying because of the war "against terrorism" every single day ...my question is: and all the bombs, the violations, the turture, all those soldiers killing inocent people everyday "in the name of God"...do this generate "terror" or not?. I don´t think war is the way to save any country around the world.
And believe me, I don´t need to watch a movie to have an opinion...what I think about the Bush administration exceeds any movie or propaganda. Maybe you should check the effects of the propaganda on you, the american people...Don´t you see it? The US economy was falling down when all this "terrorism" thing came up, war was the perfect business...But the goverment tells you "we have to end with terrorism", and who are the terrorism? First was Osama Bin Laden, who never was found. Then Saddam, who apparently had massive attack weapons in his country...did you even find ONE weapon of this type??? ask to your President...And remember: two countries are destroyed and with civil war for a very long time. The war, unfortunately, is NOT over.
PS:And please, if someone thinks different don´t insult them...it´s just a point of view.it´s called "RESPECT"
Apparently many of its assumptions have been proven false - like the flight path of one of the planes, for example - but I don't know anything beyond that.
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First of all, you don´t make me sick. The thing that makes me sick is that while you and many others live your "American dream", thousand of people are dying because of the war "against terrorism" every single day ...my question is: and all the bombs, the violations, the turture, all those soldiers killing inocent people everyday "in the name of God"...do this generate "terror" or not?. I don´t think war is the way to save any country around the world.
I respect your opinion to oppose war. but what makes me sick is when people like you see that documentary and come on here posting that George Bush and his associates (you even went as far as saying the military) are DIRECTLY responsible, (planning and execution) for the attacks on 9/11
And believe me, I don´t need to watch a movie to have an opinion...what I think about the Bush administration exceeds any movie or propaganda. Maybe you should check the effects of the propaganda on you, the american people...Don´t you see it?
what propaganda? is everything on TV in this free country considered propaganda?
The US economy was falling down when all this "terrorism" thing came up, war was the perfect business...
the stock market took over 3 years to recover from 9/11. the airline business took 5. but somehow Bush devised this plan on 9/11 to "save" our failing economy? and just so you know, this terrorism thing came up about 30 years ago.
But the goverment tells you "we have to end with terrorism", and who are the terrorism? First was Osama Bin Laden, who never was found. Then Saddam, who apparently had massive attack weapons in his country...did you even find ONE weapon of this type??? ask to your President...And remember: two countries are destroyed and with civil war for a very long time. The war, unfortunately, is NOT over.
PS:And please, if someone thinks different don´t insult them...it´s just a point of view.it´s called "RESPECT"
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sorry I have no respect for someone who comes on here preaching that some bullshit movie like loose change is 100% true and all fact. 9/11 is a very emotion issue for me, I do not take it lightly
sorry I have no respect for someone who comes on here preaching that some bullshit movie like loose change is 100% true and all fact. 9/11 is a very emotion issue for me, I do not take it lightly
So you're saying you cannot respect someone who has a completely different view from your own?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
So you're saying you cannot respect someone who has a completely different view from your own?
absolutely not. I respect you im talking about this particular case. not just any situation when someone disagrees.
the official 9/11 story is by no means bulletproof. but for the people who say bush and top level government officials had direct help in planning and execution of this attack is just wrong. there is no proof of that.
I respect your opinion to oppose war. but what makes me sick is when people like you see that documentary and come on here posting that George Bush and his associates (you even went as far as saying the military) are DIRECTLY responsible, (planning and execution) for the attacks on 9/11
what propaganda? is everything on TV in this free country considered propaganda?
the stock market took over 3 years to recover from 9/11. the airline business took 5. but somehow Bush devised this plan on 9/11 to "save" our failing economy? and just so you know, this terrorism thing came up about 30 years ago.
yea I agree war sucks.
sorry I have no respect for someone who comes on here preaching that some bullshit movie like loose change is 100% true and all fact. 9/11 is a very emotion issue for me, I do not take it lightly
9/11 was a tragedy, I don´t discuss that. Thousand of inocent people died, and that´s really sad to me. The loose change movie is just another view of what happened that day, and the consecuences it had. But I insist, that movie is not the point here...
Let me ask you just one thing: don´t you think is ,at least, strange that 3 planes came across the sky of the most powerful and safe country in the world and crashes right into two of the biggest buildings in all the world, and nothing could stop them? I mean, there are Control towers, radars and stuff...Could you please think about it???
Let me ask you just one thing: don´t you think is ,at least, strange that 3 planes came across the sky of the most powerful and safe country in the world and crashes right into two of the biggest buildings in all the world, and nothing could stop them? I mean, there are Control towers, radars and stuff...Could you please think about it???
do I find it strange? no I find it tragic. on that day, the strongest most powerful nation in the world was defeated. we lost the battle. all of the security we had available to us that day failed.
do I find it strange? no I find it tragic. on that day, the strongest most powerful nation in the world was defeated. we lost the battle. all of the security we had available to us that day failed.
Well, ok. It seems to me you won´t change your mind and I won´t too. So, let´s stay where we are and with our thoughts.
Take it easy
Well, ok. It seems to me you won´t change your mind and I won´t too. So, let´s stay where we are and with our thoughts.
Take it easy
its understandable why you can be so easily manipulated not being from america. you seem to think its impossible to hijack 4 planes on a single day because we are the strongest and most powerful nation simply because we have control towers and radars.
well prior to that day, the major intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, did not work well together. they lacked in sharing information. shocking but true. there was no Dept. of Homeland Security.
box cutters (the weapon used to kill flight attendants and to hijack the planes) were allowed on airlines.
we were weak prior to 9/11 when it came to protecting our homeland.
im talking about this particular case. not just any situation when someone disagrees.
the official 9/11 story is by no means bulletproof. but for the people who say bush and top level government officials had direct help in planning and execution of this attack is just wrong. there is no proof of that.
What I'm saying is that you can disagree completely, or dislike the other view, but isn't it important to at least respect the person who holds it? If you are respectful, that's who you are, and has nothing to do with the other person's behaviour. If the other person's actions or view can make you be disrespectful, doesn't that mean you are giving them power over your choices and actions? I don't know about you, but I'd rather define who I am--as respectful. Rather than allow someone else hook me and "force" me into being otherwise.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You are right, there was terror...But it was not caused by terrorists...To me, it was the USA goverment, the military forces who did it. And as I said, it was the perfect excuse to attack any country Bush liked, specially if there was oil in it.
I'm sorry to be rude, but anyone who believes the US military destroyed the World Trade Centre under orders from the American government has got to be a complete idiot. People watch one b*llshit movie and they immediately buy into the whole unevidenced conspiracy.
Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.
Here's a tip for you - if you want to become a millionaire.
The next time there is a really significant global event - the next time there is a war, a catastrophe or someone famous and much loved dies - be the first to put together a conspiracy theory.
It dosn't matter if there's no evidence, it dosn't matter if what you propose is utterly preposterous, just make sure you're the first to get it out there and people will lap it up.
Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.
I agree with this statement. And I think it goes for both sides, for people who adopt this conspiracy theory without asking any questions and for people who adopt the official story without asking any questions.
I agree with this statement. And I think it goes for both sides, for people who adopt this conspiracy theory without asking any questions and for people who adopt the official story without asking any questions.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
You've well and truly hit the nail on the head.
Hopefully some people on here will take it on baord and stop thinking they are right all the time.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Here's a tip for you - if you want to become a millionaire.
The next time there is a really significant global event - the next time there is a war, a catastrophe or someone famous and much loved dies - be the first to put together a conspiracy theory.
It dosn't matter if there's no evidence, it dosn't matter if what you propose is utterly preposterous, just make sure you're the first to get it out there and people will lap it up.
The existence of the generic "conspiracy theory" naturally exists as fallout in the system. There is a psychological principle that states that even those who are experiencing illness and the perception of false conspiracies, this issue is based on heightened perception. A percentage of the population has a heightened awareness and will perceive what the majority just cannot. So even in terms of distortion and illness, there is always a valid basis to erroneous conspiracy beliefs--there IS truth to them. For example, a schizophrenic who feels the mafia is trying to kidnap and kill them, might be, in a heightened state of awareness, distorting what they sense based on the fact that family members ARE trying to commit the person to a mental health facility against their will, secretly, behind their backs.
So, in terms of the American government, if the conspiracy theories are entirely off base, there is a basis to them of obfuscation of facts done by key government players, including deceit, denial etc. This creates the foundation for the perception of conspiracy theories in those with heightened awareness. And of course, there are many, many unanswered and unresolved questions that cannot be ignored. No matter how much we make fun of those who dare to ask them.
Hopefully some people on here will take it on baord and stop thinking they are right all the time.
there is a difference with questioning the official story, which even I do, then accusing top american officials as actually being part of the planning and execution of this horrible event.
I'm sorry to be rude, but anyone who believes the US military destroyed the World Trade Centre under orders from the American government has got to be a complete idiot. People watch one b*llshit movie and they immediately buy into the whole unevidenced conspiracy.
Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.
As far as I can see, there are some serious problems in what I´m trying to say here. I don´t speak english very good, and I think some of my ideas I´m trying to express can´t catch their real meaning.
All that I can say is that my thoughts are not product of what I saw in that movie. Let´s say it´s pure b*llshit. But since that tragic day and beyond I always doubt about every step that Bush took....
And please sorry, I´m an idiot and you are the bright one, I´m sure you were the one that supported war against Afganistan to kill Osama Bin Laden and you could never find him. Anyway, let´s destroy and kill everyone in there...just to be sure of.
you were the one that supported war in Irak because they had massive attack weapons and you could never find not even ONE. Anyway, let´s destroy every building, every single part of their culture and kill people every single day since this nightmare started...just in case they have those "weapons".
And now Iran, with their nuclear bombs and evil plans to destroy the world. Are you sure that in USA there aren´t any nuclear bomb?
All that I want to say is this: let´s put ourselves in the other´s place. Justice must be for all, not for some.
its understandable why you can be so easily manipulated not being from america. you seem to think its impossible to hijack 4 planes on a single day because we are the strongest and most powerful nation simply because we have control towers and radars.
well prior to that day, the major intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, did not work well together. they lacked in sharing information. shocking but true. there was no Dept. of Homeland Security.
box cutters (the weapon used to kill flight attendants and to hijack the planes) were allowed on airlines.
we were weak prior to 9/11 when it came to protecting our homeland.
Sorry man, I still don´t believe it. And I am from America, I live in Argentina which is a country that belongs to America continent. I´m not from USA, but I think that my points of view are like they are exactly for that reason. Sometimes you can see things from the outside that people who is inside can´t see.
there is a difference with questioning the official story, which even I do, then accusing top american officials as actually being part of the planning and execution of this horrible event.
You don't really come across as questioning anything, you just matter of factly state this is what happened and if you don't agree with me than your an idiot.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
As far as I can see, there are some serious problems in what I´m trying to say here. I don´t speak english very good, and I think some of my ideas I´m trying to express can´t catch their real meaning.
All that I can say is that my thoughts are not product of what I saw in that movie.
then maybe you shouldnt have started a thread by saying this...
Did anybody watch this film yet??? It seems more like a documental, it´s about 9-11. It gives lots of real great proofs and confirms, at least to me, that all of that Terrorism attacks were pure crap...
I dont care what language you speak, this is pretty clear.
I´m sure you were the one that supported war against Afganistan to kill Osama Bin Laden and you could never find him. Anyway, let´s destroy and kill everyone in there...just to be sure of.
I 100% supported the war in afganistan. and still do. I hold the taliban government equally responsible for 9/11 for allowed bin laden free reign in that country. I also feel extremely sad when innocent people are caught in the crossfire.
you were the one that supported war in Irak because they had massive attack weapons and you could never find not even ONE. Anyway, let´s destroy every building, every single part of their culture and kill people every single day since this nightmare started...just in case they have those "weapons".
nope, the war in Iraq is a tragic mistake that the US will be paying for for a long time to come.
And now Iran, with their nuclear bombs and evil plans to destroy the world. Are you sure that in USA there aren´t any nuclear bomb?
All that I want to say is this: let´s put ourselves in the other´s place. Justice must be for all, not for some.
me personally, I hope it doesnt come to war with Iran. but the world also agrees that Iran should not have nuclear. how should that be handled?
I 100% supported the war in afganistan. and still do. I hold the taliban government equally responsible for 9/11 for allowed bin laden free reign in that country. I also feel extremely sad when innocent people are caught in the crossfire.
Everything is clear now. You support a war. I would never do that.
War is not the answer. Imagine you living in Irak right now. Every day, you´d wake up and you would never now if that day maybe you are dead.
Everything is clear now. You support a war. I would never do that.
War is not the answer. Imagine you living in Irak right now. Every day, you´d wake up and you would never now if that day maybe you are dead.
slow down buddy. I support the war in Afghanistan. not the war in Iraq. big difference.
slow down buddy. I support the war in Afghanistan. not the war in Iraq. big difference.
Again. Let´s see if you understand:
- You support a war (in this case, in Afganistan).
- I would never support a war, I don´t care which country we are talking about.
It´s a difference.
ok great. its just a dream though. you should wake up and come up with solutions on how to stop countries from creating them.
Well... I don´t have the solution...but do you think the United States are the right ones to decide who should stop and who should not? who gives you the right to do that? god?
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I am not suggesting 9/11 was an inside job no one knows the truth on that.
Just stating the reason for invading afganistan. If it was really about osama the guy would be caught and dead by now.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
apparently. and i guess it also had nothing to do with the fact that afghanistan's ruling party supported the group who carried out the wtc attacks. but man, am i sure glad we have that pipline. at least now we are feeling a little bit of relief at the gas pumps.
oh wait...
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
it was never about relief at the gas pumps. it's always about the oil companies gaining access to a resource that they consider their own.
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lie beside me
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First of all, you don´t make me sick. The thing that makes me sick is that while you and many others live your "American dream", thousand of people are dying because of the war "against terrorism" every single day ...my question is: and all the bombs, the violations, the turture, all those soldiers killing inocent people everyday "in the name of God"...do this generate "terror" or not?. I don´t think war is the way to save any country around the world.
And believe me, I don´t need to watch a movie to have an opinion...what I think about the Bush administration exceeds any movie or propaganda. Maybe you should check the effects of the propaganda on you, the american people...Don´t you see it? The US economy was falling down when all this "terrorism" thing came up, war was the perfect business...But the goverment tells you "we have to end with terrorism", and who are the terrorism? First was Osama Bin Laden, who never was found. Then Saddam, who apparently had massive attack weapons in his country...did you even find ONE weapon of this type??? ask to your President...And remember: two countries are destroyed and with civil war for a very long time. The war, unfortunately, is NOT over.
PS:And please, if someone thinks different don´t insult them...it´s just a point of view.it´s called "RESPECT"
Thanks
Apparently many of its assumptions have been proven false - like the flight path of one of the planes, for example - but I don't know anything beyond that.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
what propaganda? is everything on TV in this free country considered propaganda?
the stock market took over 3 years to recover from 9/11. the airline business took 5. but somehow Bush devised this plan on 9/11 to "save" our failing economy? and just so you know, this terrorism thing came up about 30 years ago.
yea I agree war sucks.
sorry I have no respect for someone who comes on here preaching that some bullshit movie like loose change is 100% true and all fact. 9/11 is a very emotion issue for me, I do not take it lightly
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absolutely not. I respect you
the official 9/11 story is by no means bulletproof. but for the people who say bush and top level government officials had direct help in planning and execution of this attack is just wrong. there is no proof of that.
9/11 was a tragedy, I don´t discuss that. Thousand of inocent people died, and that´s really sad to me. The loose change movie is just another view of what happened that day, and the consecuences it had. But I insist, that movie is not the point here...
Let me ask you just one thing: don´t you think is ,at least, strange that 3 planes came across the sky of the most powerful and safe country in the world and crashes right into two of the biggest buildings in all the world, and nothing could stop them? I mean, there are Control towers, radars and stuff...Could you please think about it???
do I find it strange? no I find it tragic. on that day, the strongest most powerful nation in the world was defeated. we lost the battle. all of the security we had available to us that day failed.
Well, ok. It seems to me you won´t change your mind and I won´t too. So, let´s stay where we are and with our thoughts.
Take it easy
its understandable why you can be so easily manipulated not being from america. you seem to think its impossible to hijack 4 planes on a single day because we are the strongest and most powerful nation simply because we have control towers and radars.
well prior to that day, the major intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, did not work well together. they lacked in sharing information. shocking but true. there was no Dept. of Homeland Security.
box cutters (the weapon used to kill flight attendants and to hijack the planes) were allowed on airlines.
we were weak prior to 9/11 when it came to protecting our homeland.
What I'm saying is that you can disagree completely, or dislike the other view, but isn't it important to at least respect the person who holds it? If you are respectful, that's who you are, and has nothing to do with the other person's behaviour. If the other person's actions or view can make you be disrespectful, doesn't that mean you are giving them power over your choices and actions? I don't know about you, but I'd rather define who I am--as respectful. Rather than allow someone else hook me and "force" me into being otherwise.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'm sorry to be rude, but anyone who believes the US military destroyed the World Trade Centre under orders from the American government has got to be a complete idiot. People watch one b*llshit movie and they immediately buy into the whole unevidenced conspiracy.
Never under estimate the human capacity for gullability.
The next time there is a really significant global event - the next time there is a war, a catastrophe or someone famous and much loved dies - be the first to put together a conspiracy theory.
It dosn't matter if there's no evidence, it dosn't matter if what you propose is utterly preposterous, just make sure you're the first to get it out there and people will lap it up.
I agree with this statement. And I think it goes for both sides, for people who adopt this conspiracy theory without asking any questions and for people who adopt the official story without asking any questions.
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I couldn't have put it better myself.
You've well and truly hit the nail on the head.
Hopefully some people on here will take it on baord and stop thinking they are right all the time.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
So, in terms of the American government, if the conspiracy theories are entirely off base, there is a basis to them of obfuscation of facts done by key government players, including deceit, denial etc. This creates the foundation for the perception of conspiracy theories in those with heightened awareness. And of course, there are many, many unanswered and unresolved questions that cannot be ignored. No matter how much we make fun of those who dare to ask them.
Out of curiosity, I wonder if you are familiar with this group of people:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport
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there is a difference with questioning the official story, which even I do, then accusing top american officials as actually being part of the planning and execution of this horrible event.
As far as I can see, there are some serious problems in what I´m trying to say here. I don´t speak english very good, and I think some of my ideas I´m trying to express can´t catch their real meaning.
All that I can say is that my thoughts are not product of what I saw in that movie. Let´s say it´s pure b*llshit. But since that tragic day and beyond I always doubt about every step that Bush took....
And please sorry, I´m an idiot and you are the bright one, I´m sure you were the one that supported war against Afganistan to kill Osama Bin Laden and you could never find him. Anyway, let´s destroy and kill everyone in there...just to be sure of.
you were the one that supported war in Irak because they had massive attack weapons and you could never find not even ONE. Anyway, let´s destroy every building, every single part of their culture and kill people every single day since this nightmare started...just in case they have those "weapons".
And now Iran, with their nuclear bombs and evil plans to destroy the world. Are you sure that in USA there aren´t any nuclear bomb?
All that I want to say is this: let´s put ourselves in the other´s place. Justice must be for all, not for some.
Sorry man, I still don´t believe it. And I am from America, I live in Argentina which is a country that belongs to America continent. I´m not from USA, but I think that my points of view are like they are exactly for that reason. Sometimes you can see things from the outside that people who is inside can´t see.
You don't really come across as questioning anything, you just matter of factly state this is what happened and if you don't agree with me than your an idiot.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
then maybe you shouldnt have started a thread by saying this...
I dont care what language you speak, this is pretty clear.
I 100% supported the war in afganistan. and still do. I hold the taliban government equally responsible for 9/11 for allowed bin laden free reign in that country. I also feel extremely sad when innocent people are caught in the crossfire.
nope, the war in Iraq is a tragic mistake that the US will be paying for for a long time to come.
me personally, I hope it doesnt come to war with Iran. but the world also agrees that Iran should not have nuclear. how should that be handled?
Everything is clear now. You support a war. I would never do that.
War is not the answer. Imagine you living in Irak right now. Every day, you´d wake up and you would never now if that day maybe you are dead.
I think Iran should not have nuclear, as well as the rest of the countries in the world.
slow down buddy. I support the war in Afghanistan. not the war in Iraq. big difference.
ok great. its just a dream though. you should wake up and come up with solutions on how to stop countries from creating them.
Again. Let´s see if you understand:
- You support a war (in this case, in Afganistan).
- I would never support a war, I don´t care which country we are talking about.
It´s a difference.
Well... I don´t have the solution...but do you think the United States are the right ones to decide who should stop and who should not? who gives you the right to do that? god?